Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

Imagine if someone in the 2000's collects together all the gossip from supermarket tabloids in the 20th century into one volume and in the 3700's it's basically the only primary source available for scholars studying the 20th century.

Princess Diana would be considered to be the greatest ruler of our age.

Miss Broccoli posted:

Elagabalus liked dick and was a horny teen with absolute power, can you blame her?

Delthalaz posted:

e: I’m imagining if some collection of Hilary Clinton conspiracy articles survived for 1700 years and that is the only major source for the history of the United States from 1990-2020

Delthalaz posted:

Also liked to defile and sacrifice children — but only those who were beautiful and had two living parents, thus maximizing the suffering

SerialKilldeer posted:

If accurate information about Trump survives a couple millennia, I wouldn't blame historians for being skeptical about some of it.

Delthalaz posted:

So after diving down an internet rabbit hole I just read the portion of the Historia Augusta on Elagabalus and it was absolutely hilarious. Laugh out loud moments include the author saying Elagabalus’ name Varius was given to him by schoolmates because his mother was a harlot and he had “various” fathers (no clue how this works out in Latin), sending agents around the country to find men with the biggest dicks, etc. I was wondering if anyone could recommend any books or articles on the topic of the Historia. I read the wikipedia page and it’s fascinating that we don’t know what the deal is with this weird book.

Ola posted:

"President Trump constantly golfing at Trump resorts must be some mixup of timelines. He was known for his golfing and resorts pre-presidency, but there were checks and balances in place that would have prevented him spending public money on his own properties".

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

Imagine if someone in the 2000's collects together all the gossip from supermarket tabloids in the 20th century into one volume and in the 3700's it's basically the only primary source available for scholars studying the 20th century.

Princess Diana would be considered to be the greatest ruler of our age.

Zopotantor posted:

Grand Fromage posted:

New evidence of humans in Mexico 33,000 years ago: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-53486868

HookedOnChthonics posted:

If y'all haven't stumbled on it yet, over the last couple of months a couple of youtube musicians have built up a repertoire of 'bardcore' medieval-instrumentation covers of pop songs.

One in particular, the_miracle_aligner, has taken it to the next level, collaborating with linguists to actually translate the songs fully rather than just doing pastiche:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvAEMz64O9c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbEKIW3pUUk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcKqhDFhNHI

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Hope the evidences holds up. I've always felt humans got to the Americas much earlier than Clovis, like 40,000 years ago or longer.

Grand Fromage posted:

Madagascar being settled so late and from Taiwan of all places.

Schadenboner posted:

Wait, what?

Grand Fromage posted:

I misremembered, the settlers came directly from the Indonesian islands around Malaysia but they're part of the general Oceania settlement waves, which are believed to have originated in Taiwan. It was only settled about ~2,000 years ago. But yeah you would've thought people from Africa would've made that trip like, tens of thousands of years earlier but they did not for whatever reason.

Schadenboner posted:

Wait, what?

quote:

Tools excavated from a cave in central Mexico are strong evidence that humans were living in North America at least 30,000 years ago, some 15,000 years earlier than previously thought, scientists said on Wednesday.

The artefacts, including 1,900 stone tools, showed human occupation of the high-altitude Chiquihuite cave over a 20,000-year period, they reported in two studies published in the journal Nature.

“Our results provide new evidence for the antiquity of humans in the Americas,” Ciprian Ardelean, an archaeologist at the Universidad Autónoma de Zacatecas and the lead author of one of the studies, told AFP.

“There are only a few artefacts and a couple of dates from that range,” he said, referring to radiocarbon dating results putting the oldest samples at 33,000 to 31,000 years ago. “However, the presence is there.”

No traces of human bones or DNA were found at the site.

“It is likely that humans used this site on a relatively constant basis, perhaps in recurrent seasonal episodes part of larger migratory cycles,” the study concluded.

The saga of how and when Homo sapiens arrived in the Americas – the last major land mass to be populated by our species – is fiercely debated among experts, and the new findings will probably be contested.

Until recently, the widely accepted storyline was that the first humans to set foot in the Americas crossed a land bridge from present-day Russia to Alaska some 13,5000 years ago and moved south through a corridor between two massive ice sheets.

Archeological evidence – including uniquely crafted spear points used to slay mammoths and other prehistoric megafauna – suggested this founding population, known as Clovis culture, spread across North America, giving rise to distinct native American populations.

But the so-called Clovis-first model has fallen apart over the last two decades with the discovery of several ancient human settlements dating back two or three thousand years earlier.

In the second study published in Nature, evidence from 42 sites around North America indicated human presence dating to at least a time called the Last Glacial Maximum, when ice sheets blanketed much of the continent, about 26,000 to 19,000 years ago and immediately thereafter.

The findings suggest low numbers of people entered the continent earlier than previously understood – some perhaps by boat along a Pacific coastal route rather than crossing the land bridge – and some died out without leaving descendants.

“Clearly, people were in the Americas long before the development of Clovis technology in North America,” said Gruhn, an anthropology professor emerita at the University of Alberta, in comments on the new findings.

The archaeological scientist Lorena Becerra-Valdivia of the University of Oxford in England and the University of New South Wales in Australia – the lead of author of the second article – said the continent’s populations then expanded significantly beginning around 14,700 years ago.

“These are paradigm-shifting results that shape our understanding of the initial dispersal of modern humans into the Americas,” Becerra-Valdivia added.

Arglebargle III posted:

I remember in the book 1491 the author was making fun of archeologists insisting humans were in the Americas 15000 ya at the earliest and predicted something like this was certain to happen.

Schadenboner posted:

Wasn't 1491 crap? Or was that 1421 or some poo poo?

Grand Fromage posted:

1491 is a great book about the Americas before Columbus. 1421 is a pile of utter dogshit claiming China went to the Americas but all the evidence mysteriously vanished.

Jeb Bush 2012 posted:

the sequel to 1421 was titled "1434: The Year a Magnificent Chinese Fleet Sailed to Italy and Ignited the Renaissance", which really kicks "all the evidence mysteriously vanished" up a notch

Grand Fromage posted:

1491 is a great book about the Americas before Columbus. 1421 is a pile of utter dogshit claiming China went to the Americas but all the evidence mysteriously vanished.

HookedOnChthonics posted:

If y'all haven't stumbled on it yet, over the last couple of months a couple of youtube musicians have built up a repertoire of 'bardcore' medieval-instrumentation covers of pop songs.

One in particular, the_miracle_aligner, has taken it to the next level, collaborating with linguists to actually translate the songs fully rather than just doing pastiche:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvAEMz64O9c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbEKIW3pUUk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcKqhDFhNHI

euphronius posted:

The thing I remember from 1491 was that the first inland (European) visitors to what is now the Mississippi valley found it already ravaged by plague and civil destruction

Grand Fromage posted:

It's really good, the only flaw is it's from 2005 and there's been a lot of prehistory research in the Americas since then. But nothing he says is wrong as far as I know, it's just overly conservative.