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fermun
Nov 4, 2009

AnimeIsTrash posted:

That actually sounds pretty sweet, what were the other places they were looking to go?

idk, i'll ask, i don't read the npc minutes on their meetings so i only know because one of the NPC members is in my board game group and it was mentioned

fermun has issued a correction as of 06:08 on May 7, 2021

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Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


We were invited to apply to join the Sao Paulo Forum. The leftist parties of the americas like us. :shrug:

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Doc Hawkins posted:

We were invited to apply to join the Sao Paulo Forum. The leftist parties of the americas like us. :shrug:

Sounds perfect for DSA

quote:

During the early 1990s, the FSP was seen by some as expressing the emergence of a new Latin American leftist paradigm: non-authoritarian, de-militarized and grassroots-friendly.[4] As others have noted, however, there is a marked contradiction between the fiery and quasi-revolutionary rhetoric about "socialism of the 21st century" indulged in sometimes by many FSP's leaders, and the plain fact that the positions of power held by such leaders depend, on most cases, on their holding positions in governments which have emerged through the electoral road.[5] In a statement made in 2008 in Lima, before a gathering of Peruvian businessmen, however, Brazil's President Lula would declare, approvingly, that the FSP had "educated" the Left in the understanding of the existence of possibilities of running for elections and gaining power through the democratic way - a declaration that prompted a comment from AFP, reproduced at the Rede Globo site, to the effect that the hallmark of FSP's activities had been its "very moderate" character.[6]

Nevertheless, almost since its inception, the FSP has been the target of criticism from the right in the United States and Latin America, especially in Brazil, describing it as an organization promoting terrorism and/or a revival of communism,[7] something regarded even by mainstream conservatives as unfounded and "exaggerated to say the least".[8] The allegedly subversive character of the Foro's activities, however, was revived during the 2010 Brazilian presidential election campaign, as the vice-presidential candidate in the José Serra ticket, Antônio Pedro de Siqueira Indio da Costa, denounced repeatedly the supposed connection, by way of the Foro, between the Brazilian Workers' Party and the FARC.[9] Alternatively, the Foro is seen also as more than a simple regular gathering, in that policies that had been advised by it came to be actively implemented later - such as the strengthening of Mercosul, or the setting up of Unasur - but that the Foro was better understood as a "brainstorming organization", a "think-tank for politicians".[10]

fermun
Nov 4, 2009

fermun posted:

idk, i'll ask, i don't read the npc minutes on their meetings so i only know because one of the NPC members is in my board game group and it was mentioned

venezuela (maduro-supporting) and chile leftist parties have also asked dsa to come

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


I can only hope they will maybe instill a more realistic sense of things into dsa leadership

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

fermun posted:

idk, i'll ask, i don't read the npc minutes on their meetings so i only know because one of the NPC members is in my board game group and it was mentioned
This is the most dsa post in existence

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.
it’s not DSA, it’s Fark!

fermun
Nov 4, 2009
lmao, the world socialist web site has published an article saying DSA is stalinist.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/05/18/pers-m18.html

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

it was an ice axe not an ice pick

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

how do you transfer between different dsa chapters? if someone was moving from one city to another who introduces them?

I’ve heard the DSA in the city I’m moving to sucks, even compared to the one I’m in rn .

PawParole has issued a correction as of 11:45 on May 22, 2021

CaptainJuan
Oct 15, 2008

Thick. Juicy. Tender.

Imagine cutting into a Barry White Song.
https://act.dsausa.org/survey/mailing_address_only/

I think this is the national change of address form.

e: there's not really any official standard way for a chapter to like welcome or I vite or introduce a new member. The chapter might have a member onboarding thing, mine has a new member mentorship thing but it's not super effective tbh

CaptainJuan has issued a correction as of 17:41 on May 22, 2021

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

fermun posted:

lmao, the world socialist web site has published an article saying DSA is stalinist.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/05/18/pers-m18.html

glad to see the weird sex website turn theory into praxis by doxxing people

fermun
Nov 4, 2009
https://twitter.com/DSA_Intl_Comm/status/1400280659231449090
https://twitter.com/DSA_Intl_Comm/status/1400280671264854017
DSA international committee is doing stuff in Peru this week and you know it wouldn't be a group of DSA delegates without a few jean jackets

Heath
Apr 30, 2008

🍂🎃🏞️💦
I know dick about Peru, how did they end up with a Japanese dictator?

Butter Activities
May 4, 2018

Heath posted:

I know dick about Peru, how did they end up with a Japanese dictator?

He’s Peruvian, Peru just had a lot of Japanese immigrants last century. He’s a run of the mill kleptocrat.

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

Heath posted:

I know dick about Peru, how did they end up with a Japanese dictator?

Hyper inflation plus a fascist reaction throughout much of the country to Shining Path/MRTA taking over tons of territory and killing lots of people, including elected officials. Basically he was the country's Pinochet and got help from people who wanted order restored and the U.S. Death squads and forced sterilizations of indigenous funded by USAID itself!

Apparently he's the only democratically elected head of state to be tried and convicted for human rights violations by his own country to this day, per wikipedia

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PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

If anyone is from the Chicago dsa dm me

FrancisFukyomama
Feb 4, 2019

dsa sent delegates to Caracas which is honestly pretty cool since we really haven’t done much internationalism until now


https://twitter.com/gaius_gracchus_/status/1407390872652566528?s=21

lot of outraged libs on Twitter complaining about it

they’re especially angry that the delegation got a nice hotel room

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Greg Legg
Oct 6, 2004
That is pretty cool, I didn't know DSA did much international stuff.

LittleBlackCloud
Mar 5, 2007
xXI love Plum JuiceXx
what's the sales pitch for joining/organizing with DSA over an actual party?

CaptainJuan
Oct 15, 2008

Thick. Juicy. Tender.

Imagine cutting into a Barry White Song.
"actual parties" are tiny and irrelevant besides seattle SALT

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
there is simply not an "actual party" to join, and the DSA is probably the most fertile ground to build one on

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

LittleBlackCloud posted:

what's the sales pitch for joining/organizing with DSA over an actual party?

what actual party? you mean the liberal parties? even psl isn't a real political party, so much as an educational org with a half asses campaign attached that most people don't even hear about

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out
Biscuit Hider

LittleBlackCloud posted:

what's the sales pitch for joining/organizing with DSA over an actual party?

What, you mean like the Democrats?

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
i wouldn't call the democrats an "actual" party either

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
we did it, reddit

https://twitter.com/dannyshawcuny/status/1407752740772720645?s=20

FrancisFukyomama
Feb 4, 2019


i think they got the invitation from Venezuela after sending reps to Peru with Castillo’s party. it’s honestly nice that the org is actually starting to do some internationalism considering a few years ago I think it’d be just as likely that the NPC would denounce Maduro for being authoritarian

fermun
Nov 4, 2009

FrancisFukyomama posted:

i think they got the invitation from Venezuela after sending reps to Peru with Castillo’s party. it’s honestly nice that the org is actually starting to do some internationalism considering a few years ago I think it’d be just as likely that the NPC would denounce Maduro for being authoritarian

they sought it out, the 2019 DSA convention (the one the please don't clap joke is from) mandated that the NPC they were electing re-found the International Committee with a focus on anti-imperialism especially in Latin America. The NPC interviewed people back in January 2020 and re-founded the International Committee in May 2020 and it has been reaching out to various parties in different countries since. Chile and Cuba are the next two countries that delegations are going to be sent to.

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002

fermun posted:

they sought it out, the 2019 DSA convention (the one the please don't clap joke is from) mandated that the NPC they were electing re-found the International Committee with a focus on anti-imperialism especially in Latin America. The NPC interviewed people back in January 2020 and re-founded the International Committee in May 2020 and it has been reaching out to various parties in different countries since. Chile and Cuba are the next two countries that delegations are going to be sent to.

loving sweet, i had completely forgotten about that from ‘19

LittleBlackCloud
Mar 5, 2007
xXI love Plum JuiceXx

Larry Parrish posted:

what actual party? you mean the liberal parties? even psl isn't a real political party, so much as an educational org with a half asses campaign attached that most people don't even hear about

I meant something with an actual line. I know that the left in the US is a joke, but you have to start somewhere and an org without a party line and democratic socialist in the name isn't the most appealing. I guess I'll just go to a meeting or something.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
there literally isn't one

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

LittleBlackCloud posted:

I meant something with an actual line. I know that the left in the US is a joke, but you have to start somewhere and an org without a party line and democratic socialist in the name isn't the most appealing. I guess I'll just go to a meeting or something.

you can click back a couple pages in this very thread to see a big discussion from a few months ago about this. you should go to a meeting, there's never harm in it to at least see what your chapter is like.

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
join a reading group if you can find one. there might even be in person ones by now

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


In Training posted:

you can click back a couple pages in this very thread to see a big discussion from a few months ago about this. you should go to a meeting, there's never harm in it to at least see what your chapter is like.

evergreen post

Shine
Feb 26, 2007

No Muscles For The Majority
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CaptainJuan
Oct 15, 2008

Thick. Juicy. Tender.

Imagine cutting into a Barry White Song.
Oh I didn't know the Lift Your Couch guy was a mod

FrancisFukyomama
Feb 4, 2019

drat, the DSA delegation got to personally meet with Maduro https://twitter.com/NicolasMaduro/status/1411121788701052933

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
i'm personal friends with one of the people who got to hang out with maduro, this whole thing is so loving cool

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

FrancisFukyomama posted:

drat, the DSA delegation got to personally meet with Maduro https://twitter.com/NicolasMaduro/status/1411121788701052933

This owns

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