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Waffles Inc. posted:Like, does it loop back around the digits or something, like a mileage meter in reverse? Either way makes sense if that's how you were taught it, but in the new way you can see the 1's as they are carried around, so it's more illustrative. Most of the objection is as always "it's new and different and I don't like it", but some of the New Math concepts that died out shortly after inclusion such as looking at the mathematical process as sets genuinely confused parents. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1529/what-exactly-was-the-new-math has more about it, along with some bonus at the bottom about modern education. edit: For content, the bottom comment/addition on that link. It's a vintage one, I can remember it floating around email Fw:Fws in the late 90s, and it's insufferably smug about 'school in my day' with a dose of 'hippie librul teachers'. quote:The following examples may help to clarify the difference between the new and old math. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Mar 5, 2014 |
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The Dark One posted:I didn't say it was obvious. He acted like it was gibberish. Well frankly, it was gibberish to me until, y'know, someone actually explained it. Shockingly, stating exactly what the dude in the video said wasn't at all helpful to understanding the concept. Guavanaut posted:Yup, it rolls around in whatever base you're counting in, decrementing the next column by one (or adding to the bottom row of that column in the second 'old math' way he does it, which is probably the least straightforward). That makes a decent amount of sense, but I could totally see a younger version of myself being endlessly confused about where the rest of the number went, for sure.
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Alright, let's try this again! Harrowing descent into madness yadda yadda yadda... http://tinyurl.com/m9atepf
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Taaaaaaarb! posted:Alright, let's try this again! Harrowing descent into madness yadda yadda yadda... Is it because I'm on a mobile that this is a blurry mess? Like it looks like it's really zoomed in or something.
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Ratmtattat posted:Is it because I'm on a mobile that this is a blurry mess? Like it looks like it's really zoomed in or something. It looks horrible on my phone too. But on my desktop it's fine. Edit: No wait, it's all horrible. Especially the whole "the smallest minority is the individual" stuff...because apparently the only way to truly protect the rights of minorities is to protect the individual right of straight white men to discriminate against them! VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Mar 5, 2014 |
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Mitchicon posted:Republicans are literally upset that Obama isn't engaging in nationalistic propaganda. You know who else liked nationalistic propaganda? Oh yeah. A black man showing off his muscles, engaging in shows of physical strength and fighting abilites, and handling dangerous weapons. That's gong to go over peachy with paranoid racists.
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Hey the same people who believe dumb poo poo about Obama and poor people also believe hover boards are real, apparently. Wow!
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Guavanaut posted:
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Guavanaut posted:edit: For content, the bottom comment/addition on that link. It's a vintage one, I can remember it floating around email Fw:Fws in the late 90s, and it's insufferably smug about 'school in my day' with a dose of 'hippie librul teachers'. From this lovely e-mail forward, I conclude that New Math loving ruled.
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Mornacale posted:From this lovely e-mail forward, I conclude that New Math loving ruled. I like how "Traditional Math" comes across as the dumbest non-joke test. Edit: What happened in math education in 1975?
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I think I saw that forward before except the "joke" was the question from the future was in Spanish.
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Odnet posted:All of us that had reduced lunches weren't morons and would have been able to handle it (actually, I had free lunch). Heck, here in California, the last time I looked over the free school lunch application, basically every family under a $60-100K income qualified for free lunches for their kids.
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VitalSigns posted:It looks horrible on my phone too. But on my desktop it's fine. There's a reason why I initially referred to it as a "harrowing descent into madness." Before this exchange, I didn't think much of that complaint about "not tolerating intolerance"; I didn't agree with it, but I didn't give it much consideration. Now since that amazingly delusional gently caress took it to a whole new level of apologetics and strawman arguments, any whiff of that failure of humanity sometimes called an "argument" makes my blood boil.
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PerniciousKnid posted:Edit: What happened in math education in 1975? The original writer of the Email finished school.
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Pfirti86 posted:Probably not, people like that tend to retrench and dig deeper when presented with evidence and arguments that go against their worldview. Just gonna highlight this for a minute 'cause it bugs the hell out of me. Just because so many people have refused to back down when shown evidence of how wrong they are, does not mean we should give up and not tell them that they are ill-informed. I used to be a loving idiot in regards to politics. I didn't so much look things up on my own, I just sort of parroted what I was told by my parents. I at one point believed the reason the economy was in the shitter was because the automobile unions had hosed the country over because gently caress everybody else but them. Do you know what made me change my mind? What made me stop and re-adjust my world views? A friend of mine stopped me, and told me that I was loving wrong, and then proceeded to explain to me *how* I was wrong. I didn't like it at times. At times it made me feel like he thought I was a loving moron, but he always told me that he still liked being my friend, I was just wrong about this, and no I'm not a moron, I just was ill-informed. That if I was truly an idiot he wouldn't want to be my friend. He helped me find myself, and find my drive to research and learn about politics instead of just parroting other things that my parents or talking heads said.
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E-Tank posted:Just gonna highlight this for a minute 'cause it bugs the hell out of me. There was actually a study put out around anti-vacine parents talking about what being given evidence against currently held beliefs does. Turns out, if it makes you feel stupid or challenges your existing worldview it tends to drive you further down into what you think you already know, because of the hit to your self esteem. NPR did a piece on it yesterday that was pretty interesting in that what your friend did was exactly right, they stoked and reaffirmed your ego while giving you the corrected information which made you more receptive. http://www.npr.org/2014/03/04/285580969/when-it-comes-to-vaccines-science-can-run-into-a-brick-wall
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It's an example of the problems of NPR reporting that they think research hasn't been done in this area. To repeat what I posted way earlier in the thread, the concepts discussed in the posts above, as well as in the NPR story, are neatly captured in politeness theory, a communication science model that's all about persuasion when self-identity can be threatened. I haven't had the opportunity to study the theory in detail yet, but it's well-established and popular in the discipline, so it's going to be at least somewhat effective. I'm really looking forward to reading up on it so I can contribute some processes of effective forwarded message refutation to the thread.
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Discendo Vox posted:It's an example of the problems of NPR reporting that they
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I, uh, what? I'm not a part of the forum gun rights brigade. NPR science reporting is just really shoddy sometimes- they tend to cover individual hot theories or theorists, rather than meaningful work, and, as above, tend to miss interdisciplinary connections. That face threat issue and self-defense phenomenon have been documented about all kinds of health scares, especially those involving children, for years.
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Discendo Vox posted:I, uh, what? I'm not a part of the forum gun rights brigade. NPR science reporting is just really shoddy sometimes- they tend to cover individual hot theories or theorists, rather than meaningful work, and, as above, tend to miss interdisciplinary connections. That face threat issue and self-defense phenomenon have been documented about all kinds of health scares, especially those involving children, for years. I think he is pointing out your naiveté concerning politeness theory and political debate.
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Lemme guess - the sender hasn't actively tried to start an open rebellion against the US government?
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"Bohemian Kickboxer vs. U.S. Marine" has hit my Facebook wall about a dozen times in the last week. It's breaking me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CHylE-bVwY It's from a goddamn movie called Never Back Down. It's a work of fiction aaaaaaaugh. I'm about to start posting video links in response from The Matrix about how this one guy fights off an IRS agent with his elite army training.
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Since sheriff Joe was mentioned earlier I thought I would mention a few guys at work during lunch started praising Joe's work, another said people were quitting their jobs for "Obama benifits." I'm happy that I didn't engage, instead I rolled my eyes and went outside. Work is a place that such subjects must not be discussed. I don't understand why people haven't figured that out.
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Fulchrum posted:Lemme guess - the sender hasn't actively tried to start an open rebellion against the US government? Not in the slightest, no. She got married pretty quickly and started popping out kids like crazy.
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seiferguy posted:Not in the slightest, no. She got married pretty quickly and started popping out
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seiferguy posted:Not in the slightest, no. She got married pretty quickly and started popping out Now that's one hell of a trench run.
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Mr Darcy posted:Now that's one hell of a trench run. They're coming in! Three marks at 2-10!
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Stay on target.
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On the other hand, it's nice when people admit the American Revolution was more about taxes than FREEDOM
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Mo_Steel posted:It's from a goddamn movie called Never Back Down. It's a work of fiction aaaaaaaugh. I'm about to start posting video links in response from The Matrix about how this one guy fights off an IRS agent with his elite army training. You should do this. Just rip a fight scene from Matrix off YouTube then rehost it with a title like "IRS Agents vs. Elite US Agent"
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1stGear posted:On the other hand, it's nice when people admit the American Revolution was more about taxes than FREEDOM FREEDOM FROM TAXES THEREFORE
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Xarthor posted:You should do this. Just rip a fight scene from Matrix off YouTube then rehost it with a title like "IRS Agents vs. Elite US Agent" Speaking of which, has anyone ever noticed people who like the Matrix a little too much tend to be really, really libertarian?
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Same with people who really REALLY like Idiocracy.
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Both films provide a shallow target for the viewer to identify themselves by opposition against, although Idiocracy is obviously the worse offender in this particular contest.
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The only proper response is posting this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion
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Because clearly the only thing different from the taxes that fueled the revolutionary war and the taxes we have today is that people are pussies today. Clearly.
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Guilty Spork posted:Because clearly the only thing different from the taxes that fueled the revolutionary war and the taxes we have today is that people are pussies today. Clearly. Also all this first world poo poo we love so much runs on magic. Taxes only exist to oppress.
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seiferguy posted:Not in the slightest, no. She got married pretty quickly and started popping out kids like crazy. Something something lazy stay at home welfare queen sucking up my tax money
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Discendo Vox posted:It's an example of the problems of NPR reporting that they think research hasn't been done in this area. To repeat what I posted way earlier in the thread, the concepts discussed in the posts above, as well as in the NPR story, are neatly captured in politeness theory, a communication science model that's all about persuasion when self-identity can be threatened. I haven't had the opportunity to study the theory in detail yet, but it's well-established and popular in the discipline, so it's going to be at least somewhat effective. I'm really looking forward to reading up on it so I can contribute some processes of effective forwarded message refutation to the thread. Well I'm sure you are smart and would figure it out once you had the time to properly research the matter, however the research that NPR was reporting on isn't actually all that close to Politness Theory, at least according to the provided information. Anubis fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Mar 6, 2014 |
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