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hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

yeah

i was just trying to get at "a thing that looks just like another thing, but is in fact nothing like that at all" is the root of every problem with c++

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Progressive JPEG: Feb 19, 2003

I'd have figured it'd be "other language has thing, how do we shoehorn thing"

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Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

i used play once. it was great, it pegged a server cpu at 100% under no load for several hours until the admin was like "uhhh???"

# ? Aug 12, 2016 17:46

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

Bloody posted:

i used play once. it was great, it pegged a server cpu at 100% under no load for several hours until the admin was like "uhhh???"

how else are you gonna fail fast? throw a few more cores on that puppy

# ? Aug 12, 2016 17:57

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Progressive JPEG posted:

I'd have figured it'd be "other language has thing, how do we shoehorn thing"

same idea really, those shoe horned things become abuse of notation at best in c++

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HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

Terrible Programmers: what font do you personally prefer to code in?

i hosed up my fonts by messing around and now i can't find one that don't suck

# ? Aug 12, 2016 18:44

NihilCredo: Jun 6, 2011; iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

HoboMan posted:

Terrible Programmers: what font do you personally prefer to code in?

i hosed up my fonts by messing around and now i can't find one that don't suck

https://github.com/nathco/Office-Code-Pro

# ? Aug 12, 2016 18:52

HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

NihilCredo posted:

https://github.com/nathco/Office-Code-Pro

that looks good, but what's up with that % sign?

# ? Aug 12, 2016 18:54

Zaxxon: Feb 14, 2004; Wir Tanzen Mekanik

HoboMan posted:

Terrible Programmers: what font do you personally prefer to code in?

i hosed up my fonts by messing around and now i can't find one that don't suck

http://www.dafont.com/perfect-dos-vga-437.font

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hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

HoboMan posted:

that looks good, but what's up with that % sign?

based on the 5% in the preview window i'm assuming its an optimization for small font sizes?

# ? Aug 12, 2016 18:56

fritz: Jul 26, 2003

hobbesmaster posted:

i hate the days after technical interviews where you second guess things you said like calling vector<bool> "a microcosm of everything wrong with c++"

c++ : "it seemed like a good idea at the time"

# ? Aug 12, 2016 19:06

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

There are problems with Spring but everybody stampeding in the other direction and turning web applications into an amorphous unstructured soup with implicit behaviour all over the place is at least as bad.

There is more nuance to the problem of designing applications than "RIGID STRUCTURE GOOD" vs "RIGID STRUCTURE BAD".

For the record I wouldn't recommend using Spring for new projects.

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jesus WEP: Oct 17, 2004

if youre building a webapp just ask What Would Shaggar Do and fire up visual studio

# ? Aug 12, 2016 19:27

Plorkyeran: Mar 22, 2007; To Escape The Shackles Of The Old Forums, We Must Reject The Tribal Negativity He Endorsed

Progressive JPEG posted:

wait in what way? like how it's implemented as a bitmap underneath?

it's a type named vector<bool> that is not a vector of bools (or even a container at all according to the stl's definition), and the only reason it isn't just std::dynamic_bitset is because they wanted to show off how powerful template partial specialization was

# ? Aug 12, 2016 19:34

The MUMPSorceress: Jan 6, 2012; ^SHTPSTS; Gary’s Answer

i use desdemona in a 17 point font

# ? Aug 12, 2016 20:18

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

the most appropriate font for your code is probably comic sans, op

# ? Aug 12, 2016 20:36

The MUMPSorceress: Jan 6, 2012; ^SHTPSTS; Gary’s Answer

dont write code, you will only make bad things or make bad things worse

# ? Aug 12, 2016 20:39

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Plorkyeran posted:

it's a type named vector<bool> that is not a vector of bools (or even a container at all according to the stl's definition), and the only reason it isn't just std::dynamic_bitset is because they wanted to show off how powerful template partial specialization was

q: in c++11 can you use a range based for loop to modify a vector<bool> in place?
a: sure! its just:

code:

vector<bool> foo;
... //stuff with foo
for(auto &&x : foo){
    x = !x;  //or whatever other operation you want!
}

q: wait what what the gently caress is the type of x in that loop?
a: �\_(ツ)_/�

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HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

welp, i crashed the test server and the sysadmin left already

... do-do i just go home?

# ? Aug 12, 2016 22:23

JewKiller 3000: Nov 28, 2006; by Lowtax

spring is ok if you use spring boot and try not to think too hard about what all the magic annotations are doing

# ? Aug 12, 2016 22:27

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

lol Java logging is such a fuckshow.

First there was Log4J
Then Sun added the very threadbare java.util.logging in Java 1.4
Then of course this is Java so we need a way to abstract between the two. Enter Commons Logging.
Then Java 1.5 came out with things like varargs, so the CL abstraction layer was replaced by the SLF4J abstraction layer
The abstraction layer needs at least one implementation, so enter Logback.

And that was the state of affairs for about 10-15 years. Oh and apparently JBoss and Jetty have their own internal metametaframeworks for switching among all this poo poo.

Now apparently Log4J is back in fashion? or at least they came out with a 2.0 version and its API is basically SLF4J except marginally better. Also there's a semi-decent systemd journal plugin for it.

Any sufficiently advanced Java is indistinguishable from parody.

# ? Aug 12, 2016 22:34

LordSaturn: Aug 12, 2007; sadly unfunny

hobbesmaster posted:

q: in c++11 can you use a range based for loop to modify a vector<bool> in place?
a: sure! its just:
code:
vector<bool> foo;
... //stuff with foo
for(auto &&x : foo){
    x = !x;  //or whatever other operation you want!
}
q: wait what what the gently caress is the type of x in that loop?
a: �\_(ツ)_/�

a special kind of gearbox for converting strong, narrow types into weak, wide ones

# ? Aug 12, 2016 22:39

GameCube: Nov 21, 2006

hmm. cool. i'm getting java exceptions in my xamarin code when i run it on android. that's extremely cool

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Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

tef posted:

A DSL is what you have when code is written in one language and errors are reported in another

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GameCube: Nov 21, 2006

Mr Dog posted:

poo poo

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KidDynamite: Feb 11, 2005

GameCube posted:

hmm. cool. i'm getting java exceptions in my xamarin code when i run it on android. that's extremely cool

~native~

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Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

consolas

# ? Aug 13, 2016 01:16

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

Plorkyeran posted:

it's a type named vector<bool> that is not a vector of bools (or even a container at all according to the stl's definition), and the only reason it isn't just std::dynamic_bitset is because they wanted to show off how powerful template partial specialization was

hobbesmaster posted:

q: in c++11 can you use a range based for loop to modify a vector<bool> in place?
a: sure! its just:
code:
vector<bool> foo;
... //stuff with foo
for(auto &&x : foo){
    x = !x;  //or whatever other operation you want!
}
q: wait what what the gently caress is the type of x in that loop?
a: �\_(ツ)_/�

jesus christ what

c++ could have been good. it could've just been modernized c. but no. poo poo like this exists

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Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

i think i have even less respect for people who choose to write c++ than people who choose to use plangs now that i think about it

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hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

don't use templates or its broken exception system and bam you have modern C

see: Qt

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Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

c++ is fundamentally busted for the reasons i outlined earlier. forcing you to use exceptions (constructors can only fail by throwing, without fallible constructors you lose basically c++ has to offer) in a language with no garbage collection sends you down into a particularly deep and dark circle of hell.

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hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

so if c++ is so broken what should i learn? c#? java?

# ? Aug 13, 2016 01:33

HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

yes

# ? Aug 13, 2016 01:35

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

hobbesmaster posted:

so if c++ is so broken what should i learn? c#? java?

rust

# ? Aug 13, 2016 01:42

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

Bloody posted:

i think i have even less respect for people who choose to write c++ than people who choose to use plangs now that i think about it

I chose both

# ? Aug 13, 2016 01:47

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

Condiv posted:

rust

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JawnV6: Jul 4, 2004; So hot ...

whats unmodern about C

# ? Aug 13, 2016 01:51

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

dear terrible programmers thread, a lot of poo poo that I've been trying to do at work is actually... not going terribly wrong?

I think I may be getting better at coding and I can finally clear my conscience a bit for being a fraud

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hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Condiv posted:

rust

i would prefer to move to languages that more people use not less

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comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

Condiv posted:

rust

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