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OwlFancier posted:Can't you... just make it yourself with some eggs and a whisk? Wouldn't be artisanal unless you are a certified mayonnaise artisan.
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If you really want to you can put your mayo into a pond fountain.
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Jun 17, 2016 19:18
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OwlFancier posted:Can't you... just make it yourself with some eggs and a whisk? the point is not to posses homemade mayo the point is to engage in a cultural exchange where a commodity is a token of status. when you buy artisan, local mayo you are buying authenticity and a homespun fantasy of community and neighborhood vitality this is why people buy soylent despite it being identical to cheaper brands of instant food shakes for infants or medical patients. soylent is powdered food slurry for the efficient creator on the go who needs to optimize every moment of their waking time in the pursuit of leveraging maximum effort and squeezing every drop of productivity out of one's day
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Jun 17, 2016 19:26
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Analytic Engine posted:Are those numbers only base salary? They seem low for big companies. Yeah, base salary only -- but you can filter by both year and location, which makes a big difference. But it's not like you're going to find accurate numbers on equity anywhere, especially for senior devs, including Glassdoor.
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Jun 17, 2016 19:35
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asdf32 posted:Actually yeah, I also think this is a pretty bad thing. If a friend makes twice as much as you it would be nice to know that up front when comparing yourself to them [financially]. Also more discussion of money would lead to better financial literacy in general. I have been accused of humble-bragging when talking openly about my salary. I seem to make about twice as much as my closest friends do. I make less than 50k euros per year.
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Wheany posted:I have been accused of humble-bragging when talking openly about my salary. I seem to make about twice as much as my closest friends do. I make less than 50k euros per year. Average UK salary is somewhere around £20k so yea £50k euro is waaaay higher than most.
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Jun 17, 2016 21:36
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neonnoodle posted:Yeah but if your rent is $3000 a month, how much are you really able to put away? OwlFancier posted:Average UK salary is somewhere around £20k so yea £50k euro is waaaay higher than most.
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Jun 17, 2016 22:07
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reminder that oakland rents are the 4th most expensive in the entire country and renters there pay an average of ~70% of their income on housing
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Cicero posted:...what? Er, %£$"*%&^() I don't have a euro key on my keyboard.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:I have no idea how this will play out, can they just make stuff up?
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Jun 17, 2016 22:25
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OwlFancier posted:Er, %£$"*%&^() Even if you did, it makes no more sense to write €50k euros than it does to write $50k dollars. It's either or. Otherwise you're talking in quadratic currencies, meaning you must be in the derivatives market. And if you're being paid in derivatives, welp.
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:reminder that oakland rents are the 4th most expensive in the entire country and renters there pay an average of ~70% of their income on housing quote:One bedroom apartments in Oakland rent for $2416 a month on average and two bedroom apartment rents average $3257. quote:One bedroom apartments in San Francisco rent for $3648 a month on average and two bedroom apartment rents average $5050. https://www.rentjungle.com/average-rent-in-san-francisco-rent-trends/ Like, sharing a 2br in Oakland means paying $1,600/month for rent, not too horrible if you're a techie making big bucks.
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Does glassdoor give you the sample size, median, IQR, anything like that for it's average salaries? I can't seem to find it.
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yeah you click through the salary for each position and it'll give a range, median and # of reports.
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Jun 18, 2016 00:57
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Cicero posted:Yeah but it's still substantially less than SF: the point is it's funny that "making the big bucks" around here still necessitates getting merely one roommate in oakland as opposed to like 4 in SF
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Jun 18, 2016 01:00
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:the point is it's funny that "making the big bucks" around here still necessitates getting merely one roommate in oakland as opposed to like 4 in SF Look at Mister Bigshot here, used to his own room instead of sharing 4 bunk beds with grown rear end men.
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Coolness Averted posted:Look at Mister Bigshot here, used to his own room instead of sharing 4 bunk beds with grown rear end men. oh no you can totally live by yourself in sf on a six figure salary atomicthumbs posted:I'm an RA at a hacker house in San Francisco. My rent is free, but my room is only 8ftx10ft. Fortunately, the ceilings are 12ft high, so I decided to get crafty....
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OwlFancier posted:Can't you... just make it yourself with some eggs and a whisk? I think most people have no idea how mayonnaise is made because you can get a huge jar if it for like $6. Smaller more reasonable jars you can find for like $2 or $3 or so. Granted I have no idea how mayonnaise is made because I think it's gross as hell.
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I don't really see home prices cratering even if the tech bubble bursts. Compared to 2008 people have been putting more money down on mortgages because the terms got stricter. With a decent amount of equity people are less likely to foreclose or sell. House prices might level off but i rarely doubt they'll go down anytime soon. Rents could be a different story.
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Panfilo posted:I don't really see home prices cratering even if the tech bubble bursts. Compared to 2008 people have been putting more money down on mortgages because the terms got stricter. With a decent amount of equity people are less likely to foreclose or sell. House prices might level off but i rarely doubt they'll go down anytime soon. Rents across the nation have been going up because fewer people are buying, actually; it's a common problem. There isn't always enough quality housing available and to make it worse rent is going up while wages aren't. So not only do you have a shortage of people buying houses you have a shortage of people renting housing out and people that can't afford to rent places by themselves. The reason San Francisco is weird is because you have a crap load of people that have high paying jobs still having trouble finding housing that isn't cramped. It also has a far higher "demand is crushing supply right now" problem than other areas. It's a downright bizarre thing to think about because entire vast swathes of America are just plain abandoned right now. The area I'm originally from is just awash with abandoned buildings and cheap housing; an enterprising software company could probably just buy up entire drat city blocks on the cheap and fill them with programmers.
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Jun 18, 2016 02:22
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Rents across the nation have been going up because fewer people are buying, actually; it's a common problem. There isn't always enough quality housing available and to make it worse rent is going up while wages aren't. So not only do you have a shortage of people buying houses you have a shortage of people renting housing out and people that can't afford to rent places by themselves. rents have been going up in cities and suburbs because that's where the jobs are and thats where people want to live. rents are bottoming out in rural areas
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Popular Thug Drink posted:rents have been going up in cities and suburbs because that's where the jobs are and thats where people want to live. rents are bottoming out in rural areas Depends on where you go, I think; this area of the world rents aren't going up but they also aren't going down. Granted places are also decaying into awful ghost towns as people relocate to the city and drive rents up there. Though the weird thing about here in the Rust Belt is that you have entire neighborhoods of cities that are abandoned. Pittsburgh is an odd place for that; there are neighborhoods that are awful, crime-infested slums that people are vacating as soon as they get the chance and places that have literally seen a 90% population decline. Crime can't infest a place that nobody even lives in anymore. And they'll be right next to places building expensive luxury apartments for the yuppies that are moving in to do cool things with their college degrees. ...while the people that have already lived in the city forever but didn't go to college/did but are still working menial jobs are being driven out of their homes by rising rents.
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Jun 18, 2016 02:30
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Depends on where you go, I think; this area of the world rents aren't going up but they also aren't going down. Granted places are also decaying into awful ghost towns as people relocate to the city and drive rents up there. Pittsburgh also has a whole lot of speculation going on. There are developers buying up double digit percentages of places like Wilkensburg and North Braddock because they think its going to be the next Lawrenceville. Also, there is speculation that Wilkensburg is going to be absorbed into Pittsburgh, so thats a driver as well.
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JohnGalt posted:Pittsburgh also has a whole lot of speculation going on. There are developers buying up double digit percentages of places like Wilkensburg and North Braddock because they think its going to be the next Lawrenceville. Also, there is speculation that Wilkensburg is going to be absorbed into Pittsburgh, so thats a driver as well. Yeah Pittsburgh is a damned weird place right now. My response to everything was "screw this, I'm living in Monroeville."
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Rents across the nation have been going up because fewer people are buying, actually; it's a common problem. There isn't always enough quality housing available and to make it worse rent is going up while wages aren't. So not only do you have a shortage of people buying houses you have a shortage of people renting housing out and people that can't afford to rent places by themselves. This makes sense. Another aspect of it is Housing Inventory. While I'm sure there are suburbs in Detroit that likely look like something out of Mad Max, in desirable places (like the Bay Area, where I live) not a lot of people are actually selling houses. I was talking to a realtor mentioning that I hope a lot of Baby Boomers are selling their homes now that they are worth a shitton compared to when they bought them 30 years ago, and going off to retire somewhere cheap. She replied that unfortunately people are staying put or giving the house to relatives, which greatly decreases the numbers of houses that come up on the market. Honestly even if the Tech Boom weren't here San Francisco would still be expensive, though at least probably livable for more people. My wife and I recently saw a one act play talking about how back in the 90's the arrival of the proto-techbros started driving people out of the Mission District. Though I guess you could say this problem goes back even farther, when Baby Boomer hippies in their 20s were moving into SF and pricing a lot of the minority tenants out of the area. Growing up, I always used to hear that Oakland was a 'dangerous' place to live, but nowadays its a 'dangerous' place to simply be able to afford to pay your rent. Areas are getting heavily gentrified; formerly sketchy parts of San Francisco, Oakland, East Palo Alto and San Jose have gotten surprisingly expensive the last five years.
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Panfilo posted:This makes sense. Areas like that are actually one of the reasons "your house is an investment" came up as an idea; part of the reason people aren't selling is because they only see the dollar signs. This is especially true in any place that is gentrifying or becoming desirable; people are hoping to hold onto the property as long as possible to either sell it for a huge amount over what they paid or hand it off to their children/relatives so they can get a huge windfall off of it. Of course you can't develop an area without anybody selling their houses. Which leads to a feedback loop; if nobody is selling then nobody can build denser housing, even if the zoning allowed for it (which, of course, it often doesn't). So the demand for housing goes up, which increases the price as the supply doesn't. Then they think "hey cool value is going up, gently caress this I'm not selling" and the problem just gets worse. Of course in the case of tech bro land you have more and more people getting attracted due to the high paying jobs, which means they can afford to pay more for housing, which drives the price up even more. To compensate those employing tech bros will pay even more, which then ratchets the price up further. There is some really bubbly behavior going on but considering how important technology is to literally everything the human race does nowadays who knows if it'll ever burst. Even so it's a crazy situation that needs a fix sooner rather than later but you have a poo poo load of property owners going "gently caress you got mine."
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Also currently prices are supported by incredibly low interest rates enabling people to buy at 5x their household income (or more). And those who bought in years ago who might want to cash out are faced with the fact that while their house went up in value, so did every other house in the area. Unless they are willing to move long distances, significantly downsize, or switch to renting all of their return gets eaten by buying a different house which is likewise inflated in value. Also in California you have Prop 13 loving things up such that selling often carries a jawdropping property tax hike.
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Also remember that if you are a boomer, CA's tax structure makes selling make less sense. So, you own a house in sf that would sell for $3million. However, you bought it for $100,000, which what your tax is based on. If you downsize to a $1 million dollar house, your annual tax bill just went up 10x (well slightly less as values do go up slightly under prop13) because you pay the property tax on the purchase price. Further, if you keep the house and pass it to your children, they get to keep the orginal purchase price as the tax basis, so you help your kids out too. Edit: how did I miss the post right above mine?
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nm posted:Edit: how did I miss the post right above mine? Guess you just got disrupted. 
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Shifty Pony posted:Also currently prices are supported by incredibly low interest rates enabling people to buy at 5x their household income (or more). As the owner of a small (1200sf) house this is true. My house has gone up 20% or more in 4 years which is nominally good except larger houses have gone up at the same rate which makes the price jump to move up even larger now. Of course I'm thankful I got in when I did because starting from scratch now in this area is even worse.
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nm posted:Also remember that if you are a boomer, CA's tax structure makes selling make less sense. Oh man, that's bad. I'd say the bay area weathers a crash better than anywhere else in the country just because of that, let alone climate or existing infrastructure
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Ann Arbor is seeing a midwestern sort of boom - every house in the area that isn't completely falling apart is going for 250k plus, which is only in the range of tenure-track professors or mid-level to senior tech boom employees. They're not likely to drop much, just because this is sort of the tech center of Michigan, but buying a place is still a scary prospect.
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lol $250k for a house how quaint
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nm posted:Also remember that if you are a boomer, CA's tax structure makes selling make less sense. It makes sense when leaving the state, and that's about it. Although it was funny watching someone I know's grandparents sell their nice 3 bedroom house in Orange County and use the profits to build a mansion back east, only to decide they want to move back here and now be stuck in that "Well now we could rent or spend more than we made on a worse house."
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asdf32 posted:Of course I'm thankful I got in when I did because starting from scratch now in this area is even worse. The number of people in my org (of a well-established SV company) who have relocated out of California to work remotely in the past six months alone is pretty ridiculous, but tells the tale. Almost a half dozen, and that's just among the nearest 100 people to me organizationally speaking. And that's before you start counting the number of older hires who also work remote because they literally refuse to relocate here.
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:lol $250k for a house you realize 80% of the population is in an area where this is a reality right like that's almost the whole point of the goddamn thread
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Aliquid posted:you realize 80% of the population is in an area where this is a reality right You kinda missed his point. 2 bedroom condos in so-so places are going for 400k in the more livable cities an hour or so from LA for example, and that's hardly the SF boom area. Hell I saw a nice small house from the 40's near me (that also has about 6 halfway houses/rehab group homes and 3 AA chapters within walking distance go for over half a mil.
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We sold the family house in Cedar loving Park for 300k two months ago after a bidding war, I understand many areas are increasing in value. It's just that the vast majority of the country is left out. That stupid house was an energy drain and worth probably 6x our combined family yearly earnings, so good riddance.
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Coolness Averted posted:(that also has about 6 halfway houses/rehab group homes and 3 AA chapters within walking distance also this shows me that you're The Worst and probably part of the problem when it comes to urban living
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Yeah Pittsburgh is a damned weird place right now. My response to everything was "screw this, I'm living in Monroeville." Just dont buy there. Everyone. who is displaced from the city is priced out of moving north or south (even low income places like brookline and beechview are seeing resurgence in property values). Monnroeville is the next pitcairn. Also, 300k for a home is kind of sick. You can buy nice 4 unit apartment buildings for that price in the rust belt.
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