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Which Thread Title shall we name this new thread?
This poll is closed.
Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce 44 21.36%
ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress 19 9.22%
Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin 9 4.37%
Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country 14 6.80%
ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit 8 3.88%
Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died 24 11.65%
Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country 14 6.80%
ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread 17 8.25%
ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter 15 7.28%
ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming 2 0.97%
Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy 10 4.85%
ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union 5 2.43%
ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die 25 12.14%
Total: 206 votes
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Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Until we see the growth commission's report the plan would seem to be sterlingisation, so using the pound like Panama uses the USD before phasing in a Scottish Pound pegged to GBP. Using the transition period to create our own central bank etc. It seems at this stage that the recommendation being anything other than a Scottish Pound pegged to sterling is quite unlikely. That's assuming sterlingisation doesn't blow us up before we get to that point.

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Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH
Being pegged to a much larger economy's currency is a terrible idea. Scotland is a net exporter so actually could sustain its own currency without too much fuss. That being said independence is still a terrible idea for basically all the other reasons ever.

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
Peg it to the euro and then adopt the euro, and also remain in the EU.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

keep punching joe posted:

Peg it to the euro and then adopt the euro, and also remain in the EU.

this is one of those ideas that seem great if you know absolutely nothing about monetary policy and/or recent history

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

keep punching joe posted:

Peg it to the euro and then adopt the euro, and also remain in the EU.

That was the one from about 2010 wasn’t it?

Also it would only make sense for an independent Scotland to join the EU after the softest of Brexits, which currently seems less than certain.

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
Yeah, can't wait to sink into the sea with the rest of you cunts, just because England/Wales has gotten a bee in it's bonnet about too many foreigners.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Excited to escape sinking by diving headfirst into the water.

jre
Sep 2, 2011

To the cloud ?



Pissflaps posted:

That’s one way of describing a party systematically choosing every possible option in a short period of time in the hope that one sticks.

And yet somehow still more competent and coherent than the brexit approach :smithicide:

cargohills posted:

Excited to escape sinking by diving headfirst into the water.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

keep punching joe posted:

Yeah, can't wait to sink into the sea with the rest of you cunts, just because England/Wales has gotten a bee in it's bonnet about too many foreigners.

having a monetary policy that aligns with state interest is a huge part of how nations wield power. it's arguably the single most powerful financial tool there is - you want one of these. a monetary policy against state interest by design is one of those bafflingly awful ideas (and implementations) that could only be a product of a mind so riddled by neoliberalism that it secretly believes we're like fifteen minutes behind tng. things like greece will always happen forever - it's borderline hard to believe it's not supposed to. it's not just that it's a terrible idea it's a terrible idea demonstrably - we have a library of evidence to prove it's a terrible idea!

it is one of those things that is relative so it will always be true no matter how badly brexit goes- we have hosed ourselves royally but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to gently caress yourself royally twice.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
what in the everloving gently caress scotland

quote:

A woman who complained of a racist and misogynistic culture in a Scottish government agency claims she was taped to a chair and gagged by two male colleagues as a warning to keep quiet.

DeeAnn Fitzpatrick said the restraint took place amid years of bullying and harassment at Marine Scotland's Scrabster office.

The fisheries officer has taken her case to an employment tribunal.

BBC Scotland has obtained a photo of the restraint incident.

It was taken by one of the men allegedly responsible.


...

The BBC has seen emails showing Ms Fitzpatrick tried to raise the alleged attack with one of her managers soon after it happened, but it appears to have not been taken seriously.

The manager said he would have "a word" with the men involved - Reid Anderson and Jody Paske.

He added: "I am sure they meant no harm and that was the boys just being boys."

...

Mr Paske, who no longer works at Marine Scotland, told the BBC that the allegations were "lies".

He said: "These are false allegations. I can't remember the event you mention, but if it did happen, it would have been office banter. Just a craic. Certainly nothing to do with abuse."

...

In evidence to an employment tribunal against the Scottish government, Ms Fitzpatrick claimed that over a period of almost 10 years she had been subjected to behaviour including:

being mocked about having a miscarriage
being told certain staff at Marine Scotland didn't want "a woman, especially a foreign woman"
extreme racist language
threatening behaviour towards female staff, who were sometimes referred to as prostitutes

this would have been wildly inappropriate workplace behavior sixty loving years ago

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
Any Scotland-based goons drawing up a list of what they’d spend their £4100 on?

https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/999396553919025152

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Pissflaps posted:

Any Scotland-based goons drawing up a list of what they’d spend their £4100 on?

https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/999396553919025152

Hmm it's not written on a bus so not sure if I should trust it or not.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

We send £350m a year to the Hated English Yoke. Let's fund our smoked sausage suppers instead.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




If we think every Scot means every Scot of working age which these things usually mean then that's a boost of £14,563,200,000 which is ~8.6% of GDP if they mean literally every Scot then that's more like 13% of GDP. In context the GDP growth in 2017 was 1.1% which put the numbers there in the realms of absolutely loving ludicrous. Obviously the National is framing it as every person will be £4100 better off but I think it's a safe bet to assume they're actually taking about in increase in GDP.

Though perhaps it's 13% over 10 years or something which would be near to bang on for 1.1% growth year on year of course.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

Maybe they mean 4100 Scottish punds, not sterling

Alertrelic
Apr 18, 2008

Aramoro posted:

Hmm it's not written on a bus so not sure if I should trust it or not.

Been interesting watching Conservative politicians make this joke while their leader urges us to "get on with" Brexit. Can't have it both ways lads.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Cerv posted:

Maybe they mean 4100 Scottish punds, not sterling

I think you'll find our post indy currency will be the Poond.

Anyway I'll spend my four grand on heroin and chips like a good Scot.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

forkboy84 posted:

Anyway I'll spend my four grand on heroin and chips like a good Scot.

I don't think heroin and chips would be as good as cheese and chips. Although I can see it being rather moreish.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
Unreasonably precise amounts of money being lost or gained by each individual in Scotland is legally the only possible way to talk about any kind of economic projection, I believe we all learned this from the indyref

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
So the debate has been restarted and the snp have decided they would....keep using the pound.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
The commission recommendation seems to be a heap of shite. Not happy.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Coohoolin posted:

The commission recommendation seems to be a heap of shite. Not happy.

I am not sure why this is a surprise to you, sterlingisation was always going to be their suggestion.

The rest of the report is basically *shrug* Immigration?

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Aramoro posted:

I am not sure why this is a surprise to you, sterlingisation was always going to be their suggestion.

The rest of the report is basically *shrug* Immigration?

I suspect this tweet will say what he thinks better he can manage.

https://twitter.com/scott_eff/status/999969415230836736

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Pissflaps posted:

I suspect this tweet will say what he thinks better he can manage.

https://twitter.com/scott_eff/status/999969415230836736

He's still got one of my DVD's!

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Coohoolin posted:

The commission recommendation seems to be a heap of shite. Not happy.

Time to join Labour and help make ScotLab less of a disaster, SNP are bad.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
The Growth Commission have been caught plagiarising

https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1000670552212889601

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.

forkboy84 posted:

Time to join Labour and help make ScotLab less of a disaster, SNP are bad.

I'm a member of a party that is actually socialist and also pro independence

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Coohoolin posted:

I'm a member of a party that is actually socialist and also pro independence

Who get 3 votes, as opposed to an actually socialist party who can actually be the party of government.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Coohoolin posted:

I'm a member of a party that is actually socialist and also pro independence

And you still can't vote, so who cares?

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
Likes Cake, Hates Hamsters



Pissflaps posted:

The Growth Commission have been caught plagiarising

https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1000670552212889601

It would have bothered me less if it was worth copying. Report should be called Capitalism for Beginners.

Extreme0
Feb 28, 2013

I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

Continue to get confused and frustrated with me as I dance to your anger.

As I expect nothing more from ya you stupid runt!


forkboy84 posted:

Who get 3 votes, as opposed to an actually socialist party who can actually be the party of government.

The Greens?

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

Coohoolin posted:

I'm a member of a party that is actually socialist and also pro independence

You and 3,500 others, nearly enough to fill Harrogate Town AFC's home ground!

ContinuityNewTimes fucked around with this message at 11:35 on May 28, 2018

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.

Jedit posted:

And you still can't vote, so who cares?

I mean, yeah. My party membership is incredibly moot.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
Sean Clerkin of the Scottish Resistance has quit the independence movement in protest at the SNP’s growth commission report.

Tweet for background information purposes:

https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/687619901008273410

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Did you join him in protesting tunnocks?

Is this another of your wildly successful boycotts?

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
No I love tunnocks products.

Total Meatlove
Jan 28, 2007

:japan:
Rangers died, shoujo Hitler cried ;_;

Pissflaps posted:

No I love tunnocks products.

Good man.

A warning to all that some might try to sway you with the dizzying variety of M&S tea cake flavours, but they are false prophets because M&S tea cakes are shite

Extreme0
Feb 28, 2013

I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

Continue to get confused and frustrated with me as I dance to your anger.

As I expect nothing more from ya you stupid runt!


tunnocks are shite.

Not Operator
Jan 1, 2009

Not A doctor, THE Doctor!

Extreme0 posted:

tunnocks are shite.

I think its the chocolate. Some shady gently caress in the Barras used to sell reject caramel wafers that were broken and didn't make it to the chocolate stage and they were better that way.

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bitterandtwisted
Sep 4, 2006




Three and a half years living in Edinburgh without seeing the Orange Order and the fuckers just marched passed my flat.

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