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pixaal
Jan 8, 2004

All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.


Zamboni Apocalypse posted:

That's there to decommission redundant salespeople. :gas:

That would probably successfully kill everyone in the sales office at my place. We had a fire drill and no one in sales left, fire department fined the poo poo out of us, sales manager wrote it off as we made more money than the fine by not going out.

They also failed to vacate when the alarm went off because of a faulty alarm that thought there was smoke. We called them when we couldn't find anyone in the department outside while we waited for the firetruck and they casually said "tell me if you see smoke until then we're not leaving".

I'm also pretty sure the manager isn't forcing them since when I talked to them afterwards the general conciseness seemed to be fire drills are a waste of time, they have never had a fire alarm be an actual fire and fires a rare so it'll never be a real fire.

I bet they'd actually leave if we gassed the room.

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nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



pixaal posted:

I bet they'd actually leave if we gassed the room.

Only after the first few had already dropped.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.
I feel for all of you that have to administer aruba switches or access points because holy gently caress are they giant pieces of poo poo.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Aruba as in the original Aruba, or the ones that used to be called Procurve?

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

Thanks Ants posted:

Aruba as in the original Aruba, or the ones that used to be called Procurve?

I am currently working with both and they are both pieces of poo poo.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


I don't mind ProCurves tbh, the VLAN stuff is backwards compared to IOS but you get used to it. What are you struggling with?

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

Thanks Ants posted:

I don't mind ProCurves tbh, the VLAN stuff is backwards compared to IOS but you get used to it. What are you struggling with?

The vlan stuff is exactly what I despise the most. I hate the cli, the gui is somehow worse that cisco, and the concept of dual personality ports are beyond dumb.

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal
Job is making me choose between Office 365 and updated server infrastructure. VAR and MSP are pushing Office 365 because it's easier for them to manage.

I'm choosing server infrastructure because while it doesn't make VAR or MSP any money, it runs the other 90% of our applications that are in dogshit performance territory.

MC Fruit Stripe
Nov 26, 2002

around and around we go
The answer is always server infrastructure because human beings can adapt but I can't yell "go faster" at a server and expect much.

Crowley
Mar 13, 2003

Thanks Ants posted:

Aruba as in the original Aruba, or the ones that used to be called Procurve?

Aerohive, bitches. See the light!


Edit: I admit it's partly because we decided to finally cut 2.4 GHz altogether, but only partly.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


AP230s are pretty much our go-to AP. gently caress their switches though.

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
How can-ca-caaaaan I
help-p-p-p you?
So, distribution groups. Pretty awesome things, eh? Send an email to one place, and everyone on the list gets it. Pretty easy to set up and manage. Wonderful things they are.

Except when some fucknut from 2 years ago set up a group that 80% of staff are in and made it so the group could receive emails from outside the organization (he had to switch AWAY from the default setting of "in-org email only"). And today a phisher somehow got that address (or guessed it, it wasn't terribly complicated). Queue 50 reports of "hey, this is suspicious."

A Pinball Wizard
Mar 23, 2005

I know every trick, no freak's gonna beat my hands

College Slice

Avenging_Mikon posted:

Queue 50 reports of "hey, this is suspicious."

:unsmith:

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things

Avenging_Mikon posted:

So, distribution groups. Pretty awesome things, eh? Send an email to one place, and everyone on the list gets it. Pretty easy to set up and manage. Wonderful things they are.

Except when some fucknut from 2 years ago set up a group that 80% of staff are in and made it so the group could receive emails from outside the organization (he had to switch AWAY from the default setting of "in-org email only"). And today a phisher somehow got that address (or guessed it, it wasn't terribly complicated). Queue 50 reports of "hey, this is suspicious."

Honestly, I always pat the users on the back when they tell me they think a thing is phishing. It means they are paying attention. You could always send something to the distro that says "ey yo, this is definitely phishing, good job those of you who spotted it"

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

Avenging_Mikon posted:

So, distribution groups. Pretty awesome things, eh? Send an email to one place, and everyone on the list gets it. Pretty easy to set up and manage. Wonderful things they are.

Except when some fucknut from 2 years ago set up a group that 80% of staff are in and made it so the group could receive emails from outside the organization (he had to switch AWAY from the default setting of "in-org email only"). And today a phisher somehow got that address (or guessed it, it wasn't terribly complicated). Queue 50 reports of "hey, this is suspicious."

Dynamic distros are great and as long as they are named properly they should be all anyone would need.

The static distros are what ruin the loving system and generally only need to exist because of social problems.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


I've created dynamic groups that look at the 'City' field so that emailing everybody in a particular office is simple. Until people create new users without completing those fields, then assume dynamic groups are unreliable so create static groups that are always out of date :effort:

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
How can-ca-caaaaan I
help-p-p-p you?

silicone thrills posted:

Honestly, I always pat the users on the back when they tell me they think a thing is phishing. It means they are paying attention. You could always send something to the distro that says "ey yo, this is definitely phishing, good job those of you who spotted it"

Yeah, I appreciate the users who let us know. It's the dumbass who set up the group improperly I'd like to kick in the sack. Too bad he was fired and I'm his replacement.

Sickening posted:

Dynamic distros are great and as long as they are named properly they should be all anyone would need.

The static distros are what ruin the loving system and generally only need to exist because of social problems.

I don't Exchange well enough to know the difference, but I'm gonna start brushing up pdq for stuff like this.

Edit: fuuuuuuck, found out as I was leaving that it's more than one list being targeted.

Bunni-kat fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Sep 12, 2017

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal

silicone thrills posted:

Honestly, I always pat the users on the back when they tell me they think a thing is phishing. It means they are paying attention. You could always send something to the distro that says "ey yo, this is definitely phishing, good job those of you who spotted it"

Alternatively you can be my users and tell me that the link they clicked on got blocked and they now suspect it may be a fake email. Really hard to reward them on that.

tactlessbastard
Feb 4, 2001

Godspeed, post
Fun Shoe

Unfortunately, the distribution list had over 1000 addresses on it :cripes:

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



don't ask how i know

Dinosaur Gum
Today, we got two emails.

The first email was a notification that we had fired our NOC team.

The second email was information for our new Pagerduty accounts.

MC Fruit Stripe
Nov 26, 2002

around and around we go
Freakin awesome, I sure would like to do someone else's job on top of my own.

Varkk
Apr 17, 2004

I assume the raise wasn't communicated via email.

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



don't ask how i know

Dinosaur Gum

Varkk posted:

I assume the raise wasn't communicated via email.

"Does that mean we start getting on call pay for nights and weekends?"
"Are you getting paid for that now?"
"No, because noc was around to kick poo poo if I wasn't."

followed by a spiel about how this "might suck" for a couple of weeks but our server team is "going to try" to automate as much of what noc was doing as possible.

This was also communicated to us shortly before EOD so I'm going to be Talking to people tomorrow.

The dumbest thing is that they already effectively had people on pager duty in all but name; a lot of us work from home and in the infrequent cases where it's enough of an outage to escalate above noc, people who are available will poke their head in to take care of it. But if they're trying to codify it, schedule it, AND try and get us to show up for every hiccup then they're going to be in for a very rude surprise because I really doubt I'm the only one pissed off about this, and my poo poo's pretty stable in comparison to some of the more touchy legacy stuff.

This is such a good job in every other regard, too. It's like finding out grandma's a racist :sigh:

Ursine Catastrophe fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Sep 13, 2017

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


I would say it really depends if the NOC ever did anything useful. Every dealing I had with NOC personnel was escalate escalate escalate. It doesn't matter what procedure we had, escalate.

Disk hit the 80% mark but trends show it won't fill the disk for 6 months? CALL SOMEONE AT 3 AM TO RESOLVE.

A single ping check fails? MUST ROUSE WHOLE APP TEAM AT 4:30 AM TO ENSURE THE APP STILL WORKS.

I've slept more and have had less stressful weekends ever since we replaced manned monitoring with API calls and pagerduty.

Virigoth
Apr 28, 2009

Corona rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M. get the virus
In the ICU y'all......



Ursine Catastrophe posted:

Today, we got two emails.

The first email was a notification that we had fired our NOC team.

The second email was information for our new Pagerduty accounts.

You just got DevOps'd!

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



don't ask how i know

Dinosaur Gum

bull3964 posted:

I would say it really depends if the NOC ever did anything useful. Every dealing I had with NOC personnel was escalate escalate escalate. It doesn't matter what procedure we had, escalate.

Disk hit the 80% mark but trends show it won't fill the disk for 6 months? CALL SOMEONE AT 3 AM TO RESOLVE.

A single ping check fails? MUST ROUSE WHOLE APP TEAM AT 4:30 AM TO ENSURE THE APP STILL WORKS.

I've slept more and have had less stressful weekends ever since we replaced manned monitoring with API calls and pagerduty.

Fingers crossed, I'd rather this be a "badly communicated and planned operational switch" red flag than a "the company is going under and/or wants free labor" red flag. The fact that escalations were previously infrequent and the people who are supposed to be reassuring are already talking about "maybe a couple of bad weeks" is not filling me with confidence though.

MC Fruit Stripe
Nov 26, 2002

around and around we go

bull3964 posted:

I would say it really depends if the NOC ever did anything useful. Every dealing I had with NOC personnel was escalate escalate escalate. It doesn't matter what procedure we had, escalate.
Yeah we got a new incident manager in the NOC a few months ago, and dude was/is loving gung ho. He's from the "every incident is best resolved with representation from each team" school of thought. So if we have an incident which doesn't rigidly conform to an existing SOP, it's all hands on deck. I've yelled at him numerous times that while production incidents are important, I do have other work to do, and I can't just sit on this god drat conference call for 3 hours on the off chance you need a server guy for this application, product or network issue. I know production incidents are important, but the things you're pulling me away from are preventing incidents you haven't even considered yet. Page me if you need me, not because you might.

e: And since I'm on the topic, what's worse is that it makes him look amazing. Anyone who's looking at his job performance only sees the narrow scope of what he's done. The Oscar version of what's happening is that "We had a SQL replication issue this morning which we were able to trace back to network latency due to a CPU spike on the primary firewall, and this afternoon we found an application in a degraded state which we were able to resolve with some config changes". Then you pan the camera around to the Stripe angle and ask what I did, and it's "I sat on the phone for 2 hours while they bounced a firewall, then I spent 2 hours waiting for the Appops team to figure out a server needed more memory so I hot-added a couple gigs, and between those two incidents, emails, and the normal conference calls, that's what I got done today." So he looks like a go getter simply by preventing everyone else from getting their own work done.

MC Fruit Stripe fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Sep 13, 2017

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Ursine Catastrophe posted:

Today, we got two emails.

The first email was a notification that we had fired our NOC team.

The second email was information for our new Pagerduty accounts.


Oh look at that, email reliability just dropped to 50 % for a spell. Too bad the NOC team would have caught and corrected the issue, thereby ensuring uninterrupted flow of email.

Khisanth Magus
Mar 31, 2011

Vae Victus
Hahaha, apparently Equifax waited a few weeks to reveal the data breach to give their execs (who totally didn't know about the breach, no sir) time to get rid of their Equifax stock.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



In a real country, they would end up in prison and Equifax would go out of business.

In this country they'll go to a restricted access tennis club for a couple months and Equifax will get fined less than a day's revenue.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS
Between three execs they dumped $2m worth of stock. The price dropped by about 25%, so they've made out like bandits.

Crowley
Mar 13, 2003

22 Eargesplitten posted:

In a real country, they would end up in prison and Equifax would go out of business.

In this country they'll go to a restricted access tennis club for a couple months and Equifax will get fined less than a day's revenue.

I like how you're assuming anything will actually happen. It's adorable.

Khisanth Magus
Mar 31, 2011

Vae Victus

Fil5000 posted:

Between three execs they dumped $2m worth of stock. The price dropped by about 25%, so they've made out like bandits.

They didn't know about the breach though. Honest!

SEKCobra
Feb 28, 2011

Hi
:saddowns: Don't look at my site :saddowns:
No one sent me a memo about this breach so obviously I didn't know about it. Our IT people don't tell us things anyway!

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS
Yeah, nothing's going to happen because there'll be zero evidence that they knew. Even though they clearly loving did.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Fil5000 posted:

Yeah, nothing's going to happen because there'll be zero evidence that they knew. Even though they clearly loving did.

Golden Parachutes are already being prepared as we speak I suspect.

Super-NintendoUser
Jan 16, 2004

COWABUNGERDER COMPADRES
Soiled Meat

Eletriarnation posted:

I would add to this that the MicroATX Poweredges have somewhat frequent sales direct from Dell - I got a T20 with the E3-1225v3 for $250 earlier this year, and last year I remember seeing the Pentium T20 model for $180 at least a couple times. I've seen similar (though not quite as deep) sales for the T30 since; it looks like their Labor Day sale had the Xeon T30 at $360 for a while, though not at this point. If you're inclined towards getting things at the lowest price you can instead of ASAP, you may want to wait and watch that model.

Just to give some closure on this, I picked up a T20 with a quad core Xeon from a guy on CL the other day, it runs Plex, my TimeMachine, and a couple VMs really well, so it's all good.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Fil5000 posted:

Yeah, nothing's going to happen because there'll be zero evidence that they knew. Even though they clearly loving did.

I think the thing that will bury them is not only was there not a 10b5-1 intent to sell dated prior to the breach regarding these sales, it's there was no form filed at all for any of them. That's a gigantic red-flag to the SEC.

These guys will be sacrificed.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS
Hopefully. But they'll still waltz into another position that pays almost as much. I mean Fred Goodwin walked straight out of the wreckage of RBS into another job, if he could do that then I've no doubt these three will find something.

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22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Crowley posted:

I like how you're assuming anything will actually happen. It's adorable.

Isn't that insider trading? That's usually worth a brief stay at a prison ten times as luxurious as anywhere I have ever lived.

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