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Grrl Anachronism posted:Callie is revived by the ring of life, which somehow fuels the powers of the Green Sun, which revive Vriska, who comes in to possession of the ring of void somehow. What, this Green Sun?
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There's been a lot of speculation about the skull cave being some kind of trap, and some or most of the crew getting wiped out. And I do think that's still possible - it would be appropriate payback for Vriska and her team for their multitude of sins, and demonstrate the stakes of the endgame by letting Lord English kill significant and much-loved characters. But I'm beginning to wonder... what if it all goes right? What if Vriska gets her hands on whatever this ultimate weapon is? There's no question she'd immediately fly off to tackle English, the same way she did with Jack, but what would happen after that? Is she someone who could be trusted with all that power? (Recall the terms of Caliborn's bargain with Yaldabaoth - if Vriska were given the same choice, is there even a chance in hell that she'd take the martyr's option?) And recall Vriska's speculation that there would be a "8igger 8ad" after Lord English... Wouldn't it be totally in character for Vriska, at the climax of the story's final act, to swoop in and wipe the villain off the board and usurp the position of final antagonist for herself? Are we witnessing the rise of Lady Sn8wman? ...it'd be a hell of a twist, and again, it'd certainly be consistant with the character and her role in the story, as well as Hussie's love of jerking around and frustrating his audience. Indie Rocktopus fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Mar 24, 2013 |
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Mar 24, 2013 17:55
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Grrl Anachronism posted:Shelby (of many arts fames, i.e. Callie Opheee art) posted this. Ring of Void? Ring of Life? Intentional mislead as requested by Hussie? Who knows, but Vriska is sporting some bling. She's got alive eyes, but the name of this comic could be "Intentional Misdirection" for all that happens. Hmm, that pic is pretty evocative of this trackart (though there's obviously no ring), which I believe is still the only one from that album that hasn't yet appeared as a comic panel. Read from that what you will...
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Mar 24, 2013 18:14
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Scale Model Giant posted:Hmm, that pic is pretty evocative of this trackart (though there's obviously no ring), which I believe is still the only one from that album that hasn't yet appeared as a comic panel. Read from that what you will... Not really seeing it, other than "Vriska in god tier PJs looking menacing". On the other hand, that's pretty much exactly the right song to use for Vriska coming back to life, attacking LE, and then getting double deaded because Vriska's plans are terrible. vvv welp Thundarr fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Mar 24, 2013 |
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Mar 24, 2013 19:10
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It was already used for the Ministrife flash, sorry.
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Mar 24, 2013 19:26
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You guys do realize Shelby draws art separate from some of the stuff she does for the art team, right? Or is it too much of a stretch that she just drew some living Vriska art because she wanted to, prompted by the update. Honestly the whole "Vriska steals the Green Sun" always sounded silly to me. Vriska doesn't literally steal light, she steals luck. If she wanted to steal the Green Sun's light, why not do it by now when she's in close proximity of it thanks to the dream bubbles? And honestly, I don't like the idea of Vriska becoming the Big Bad after LE. I know most people seem to think she hasn't changed and you're right she mostly hasn't. But she was never written as a villain. Only as a crazy teenager in Alternia who has hosed up morals because of her upbringing. Much like Meenah being similar to Condesce, only she seems to be a bit more "eh" to the idea of enslaving everyone if her conversation with Cronus during Meenahbound Part 2 says anything.
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Mar 24, 2013 19:46
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Didn't they say that the ultimate weapon is literally beta Calliope? And then Callie said only she would be able to find her(self?) I think that John will now reveal he has the ring, but that he won't give it to any of the present trolls because they're all loving insane. Meenah will then fork him.
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Mar 24, 2013 21:26
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lotus circle posted:You guys do realize Shelby draws art separate from some of the stuff she does for the art team, right? Or is it too much of a stretch that she just drew some living Vriska art because she wanted to, prompted by the update. Honestly the whole "Vriska steals the Green Sun" always sounded silly to me. Vriska doesn't literally steal light, she steals luck. If she wanted to steal the Green Sun's light, why not do it by now when she's in close proximity of it thanks to the dream bubbles? It's difficult to say that light just equals luck, though. It's possible to literally heal people's eyes with the light aspect, after all.
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Mar 24, 2013 22:04
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Blackheart posted:Didn't they say that the ultimate weapon is literally beta Calliope? And then Callie said only she would be able to find her(self?)
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Mar 24, 2013 22:12
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Tunicate posted:It's difficult to say that light just equals luck, though. It's possible to literally heal people's eyes with the light aspect, after all. Honestly the class and aspect discussion is almost pointless because of how it can change depending on an aspect in regards to class and vice versa. But we do know for a fact that Vriska can steal luck. If she was able to literally steal light then I think we would have seen something in regards to that by now. And no, a picture for a song from a Homestuck album doesn't count.
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Mar 24, 2013 22:17
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So basically the lesson learned here is that teen-marriage prevents ghostocausts.
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Mar 24, 2013 22:22
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senseinobu posted:Actually, I don't think anyone has explicitly said that Calliope is the weapon. Here's the log where I got that idea Now that I re-read that, it also seems more obvious now that the ring is meant as a Solution for Calliope's "no body to return to" problem. Then again we already know that neither Calliope or Aranea know as much as they think they do, so maybe they don't know the whole deal.
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Mar 25, 2013 00:46
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Wait, I'm confused. What does the slampora thought bubble have to do with the ring?
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Mar 25, 2013 01:12
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Lizard Wizard posted:Wait, I'm confused. What does the slampora thought bubble have to do with the ring? Nothing, it's just what Vriska does when someone else might punch a wall.
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Mar 25, 2013 01:15
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Hamiltonian Bicycle posted:Nothing, it's just what Vriska does when someone else might punch a wall. Wait, she's venting by making them punch each other? That's great. 
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Lizard Wizard posted:Wait, she's venting by making them punch each other? That's great. It took me quite a while to figure out that is what was happening, but yes it is great. Vriska found a use for all those Cronuses! vvv I want for "misamporandry" to be Homestuck's lasting contribution to the English language. Thundarr fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Mar 25, 2013 |
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Mar 25, 2013 01:19
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It's amazing how everyone was all "Vriska noooo don't mindcontrol useless ghosts to death" but with this update everyone's just like "Haha yeah okay this is an acceptable manipulation of useless ghosts." I really can't believe the depths of the Homestuck fandom's rampant misamporandry.
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Mar 25, 2013 01:22
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H.P. Shivcraft posted:It's amazing how everyone was all "Vriska noooo don't mindcontrol useless ghosts to death" but with this update everyone's just like "Haha yeah okay this is an acceptable manipulation of useless ghosts." I really can't believe the depths of the Homestuck fandom's rampant misamporandry. Oh, if she'd done it to say, Nepeta or Feferi, she'd be an even bigger bitch. But no one likes Cronus, so it's cool.
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lotus circle posted:I figured that was less a Light thing and more a Sylph thing. Sylphs are the healing class, much like Life is the healing aspect. Jane was able to make herself come back to life and Godtier Feferi was able to save WV's life. So Aranea used her powers to heal Terezi who was blind and in darkness (not completely thanks to her way to smell colors) because her class allowed her to do so. http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006675 It sounds here like it was more of a Sylph of Light deal, and if it weren't, I wonder why Terezi would be this surprised by it, since I'm sure Kanaya would have brought it up if she had that capability. Feferi bringing back WV and Jane bringing herself back were similar powers, sure, but still not exactly the same application of a power, and there very well could be a limit of being able to do one but not the other. The Condesce, AKA a Thief of Life was stated to have the ability to extend life, but not the ability to restore it, for example. Also, Vriska has literally stolen light before; she stole Terezi's sight in the first place, afterall.  While not an actual use of Sburb power, that is an example of that kind of poetic and metaphorical thing that seems to attach itself to class/aspect combinations and their characters. I'm sure there are a few major abilities that are shared by classes with similar skillsets, sure, but I just wouldn't rule out that the classes might have some abilities that are unique and super-fitting depending on what their aspect is. Especially once you start getting into "miracle" territory, where you get into things like restoring life or vision.
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Mar 25, 2013 01:32
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I would totally buy that people of X aspect have some skill overlap, as well as people from Y class. I imagine each aspect and class gives you a set of skills, the intersection of which makes up a unique class.
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Mar 25, 2013 01:34
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Who knows how popular of a theory this will be, but when I finished my first thoughts about the ring of Life and it's use was basically this: Lord English in the "final fight" obliterates everyone. The out of universe-like description of the rings makes me think that LE can't override it. John wears the ring and fights LE for an unfathomable length of time, dying over and over and over again. Something in this excruciatingly long period of time gives John the upper hand and he defeats Lord English. Then whatever implications (reality being restored, etc etc) are carried about because of it. John becomes the greatest hero because he basically does the Balrog/Gandalf fight for eons and never gives up.
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Mar 25, 2013 02:09
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McStephenson posted:Who knows how popular of a theory this will be, but when I finished my first thoughts about the ring of Life and it's use was basically this: Sounds immensely unsatisfying. Almost completely out of left field.
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Mar 25, 2013 02:12
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Personally I wouldn't be satisfied with any ending where one character ends up taking down LE all alone. It should be a team effort, y'know? Especially not if that character is John, since he's basically the most development-starved character there is.
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Mar 25, 2013 02:15
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I guess I forgot to mention my crazy idea would be the very end of the (hopefully very long) battle against LE. I agree it should be a team effort, but I feel like the death of member after member would just amplify the drama of the event. Something about reducing the desperate all out attack on the main villain of this story to the efforts of a character like John could show an incredible inner strength that has maybe only been slightly emergent over the course of Homestuck.
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Mar 25, 2013 02:19
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I also don't think LE will be defeated in a direct battle - didn't Hussie already do the "overly drawn out boss fight" thing in Problem Sleuth? Seems like it'd be dumb to do that again. It would be a lot more satisfying if they ended up beating LE by exploiting some loopholes in his time loops. Beating him at his own lovely game, basically.
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Mar 25, 2013 02:20
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I've got a friend that's trying to read Homestuck that suffers from epilepsy: Are there any ways to reduce the flashing of certain gifs and flashes?
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Mar 25, 2013 02:47
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I know you can disable gifs on the browser level, but your friend might be SOL for flashes. There's a semi-famous(?) Tumblr user who's also an epileptic Homestuck fan and he's posted quite a bit about it. He's got big-rear end goggles to darken the gifs but apparently they don't work well enough for the bigger flashes. I think he got through those by having friends screencap them for him? Good luck to your friend, anyway. edit: also you'd probably need to just wholesale skip the Trickster Updates. YggiDee fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Mar 25, 2013 |
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Mar 25, 2013 03:38
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That's one thing the Homestuck books will probably be excellent for. 
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Mar 25, 2013 03:42
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Can't you do control + period on some web browsers to stop animations? It didn't work for me in Chrome just now, but maybe Firefox or Safari?
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Mar 25, 2013 03:58
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IUG posted:Can't you do control + period on some web browsers to stop animations? It didn't work for me in Chrome just now, but maybe Firefox or Safari? Firefox doesn't do it.
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Mar 25, 2013 04:07
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In Firefox, it's "Esc" to stop gif animations.
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Mar 25, 2013 04:09
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The escape key stops gifs in Firefox, or you can dig into the about:config and change string image.animation_mode from normal to none to disable the animations outright.
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Mar 25, 2013 04:11
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That won't do anything for the flash animations, of course. I'd second the recommendation of books, I think.
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Mar 25, 2013 04:16
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Bobulus posted:That won't do anything for the flash animations, of course. I'd second the recommendation of books, I think.  .
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Mar 25, 2013 10:09
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That replay flash button is the absolute best thing. The absolute best.
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Mar 25, 2013 10:43
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Well, she finally went and did it. She did something that made Tavros of all people decide to turn around and leave, against her wishes.
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Mar 25, 2013 10:45
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King of Solomon posted:That replay flash button is the absolute best thing. The absolute best. Apparently so.
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Mar 25, 2013 10:51
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It's not like there's much... y'know... logic to things in Homestuck but... If you've just spent over a year (I can't keep time straight, obviously) following Vriska to an existence-saving treasure and you are minutes-to-hours away from reaching that treasure, how is it that 4 people suddenly decide that this is the perfect time to bail? Where, seriously, is the logic in this? These four are essentially blue-balling themselves in probably the hardest manner possible. Which can only mean that they already know where this is going to lead and it will most likely be something really terrible that they won't want to stick around for. If not, this was a stupid update. A funny update, but a stupid update.
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Mar 25, 2013 10:58
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Sollux was never invested in these shenanigans, he was just hanging out with Aradia. Fef and Nep only just got here, and were apparently in no mood for further drama. Tavros is just kind of a nimrod, probably thinks he's pulling some clever reverse-psychology nonsense, when in reality no-one gives a poo poo.
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I like that the minor trolls are getting a l'il bit of agency here.
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