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That whistleblower complaint details an active cover up regarding the Ukraine call when they moved it to a different computer network. Or at least that's how I'm interpreting things with my non legal pea brain. BigBallChunkyTime fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Sep 26, 2019 |
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TyrantWD posted:Let the fast readers tell us whats in it: those duty officers who sat in on that call and t. ulrich brechbuhl are about to have an extremely bad morning also, part ii of the complaint refers to white house officials trying to expunge the original word-for-word trascript which is a huge yikes. there's definitely going to be an attempt to get into that separate computer network that the word-for-word copy was stored in
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Sep 26, 2019 13:47
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Not a lot we weren't expecting. The terrible phone call, and a ridiculous coverup. It's still ridiculously damning
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Sep 26, 2019 13:49
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SpannerX posted:https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1176932022863794177 Hey, why not?
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Sep 26, 2019 13:50
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lmaooooquote:Multiple White House officials with direct knowledge of the call informed me that, after an initial exchange of pleasantries, the President used the remainder of the call to advance his personal interests. Namely, he sought to pressure the Ukrainian leader to take actions to help the President's 2020 reelection bid. Knives are going to come out.
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Civilized Fishbot posted:Hey, why not? I mean, if Trump shows up and sits in Nancy's chair, what's she gonna do?
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Sep 26, 2019 13:51
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Yeah, I just skimmed this whole thing and it's nothing we didn't already know or suspect, so theres no "bombshell" of that sort. But it pretty much details how this has been an ongoing thing since May and how obviously they all know they're breaking the law because they're attempting to cover up what they're doing. It also inculpates Barr in addition to Rudy. And nothing was really witnessed firsthand by the whistleblower, but there appears to be half a dozen people in the administration that knew this was super illegal and ratted Trump out to the whistleblower.
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Sep 26, 2019 13:51
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https://twitter.com/AngrierWHStaff/status/1177201507969785856?s=20
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theflyingorc posted:Not a lot we weren't expecting. The terrible phone call, and a ridiculous coverup. Yeah there wasn't much in there that hasn't been reported already. But there is reference to a verbatim transcript that apparently exists or used to exist. So that's kind of new.
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Sep 26, 2019 13:52
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I like how the whistlevlower is saying "this poo poo is in the public news, people" but officially reporting it as a "whistleblower" is what it took to get things moving.
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Sep 26, 2019 13:53
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Couldn't they space these things out a bit more? The DNI testimony starts in 10 minutes, so there is no time to digest this. The writers this season are really frontloading too much of the plot.
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Mahoning posted:Yeah, I just skimmed this whole thing and it's nothing we didn't already know or suspect, so theres no "bombshell" of that sort. But it pretty much details how this has been an ongoing thing since May and how obviously they all know they're breaking the law because they're attempting to cover up what they're doing. It also inculpates Barr in addition to Rudy. well, now we know that there still is a verbatim transcript that white house tried to destroy and that it has been hidden away in the NSC's server
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Mahoning posted:Yeah, I just skimmed this whole thing and it's nothing we didn't already know or suspect, so theres no "bombshell" of that sort. But it pretty much details how this has been an ongoing thing since May and how obviously they all know they're breaking the law because they're attempting to cover up what they're doing. It also inculpates Barr in addition to Rudy. i mean it sounds pretty loving bad and there is quid pro quo apperently. i can see why the senate is scared.
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Sep 26, 2019 13:54
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Welp now we know exactly why Coats resigned. He's got to be one of the unnamed White House officials.Hieronymous Alloy posted:I like how the whistlevlower is saying "this poo poo is in the public news, people" but officially reporting it as a "whistleblower" is what it took to get things moving. Everyone loves a good scandal.
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TyrantWD posted:Couldn't they space these things out a bit more? The DNI testimony starts in 10 minutes, so there is no time to digest this. The writers this season are really frontloading too much of the plot. Not a ton to digest. The call went how the memorandum presents it, there was a word-for-word transcript, Barr and Guliani tried to hide it because they knew how bad it was the moment Trump hung up. Supplemented by public news stories.
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QuoProQuid posted:well, now we know that there still is a verbatim transcript that white house tried to destroy and that it has been hidden away in the NSC's server i assume we can gain access to it and god knows what else from the National Security Council server?
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Sep 26, 2019 13:55
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TyrantWD posted:Let the fast readers tell us whats in it: 
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Sep 26, 2019 13:55
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1177201488688537602Dapper_Swindler posted:i mean it sounds pretty loving bad and there is quid pro quo apperently. i can see why the senate is scared. Oh yeah, I mean it's just as bad as everyone is claiming, I'm just saying there's nothing new or additional in the report.
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Sep 26, 2019 13:55
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Please stop signing your tweets, Mr. President.
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Sep 26, 2019 13:56
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theflyingorc posted:Not a lot we weren't expecting. The terrible phone call, and a ridiculous coverup. It's just amazing that the version that was released is the one they thought was perfectly fine and normal. The original version must be insanely bad.
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skylined! posted:Welp now we know exactly why Coats resigned. He's got to be one of the unnamed White House officials.
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Sep 26, 2019 13:57
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Isn't the best play though to drag this the gently caress out? Like televise all the hearings and drag it all out Nixon style for all the people to see? Air every piece of dirt and grime in this administration. I don't want this fast-tracked. I want a goddamn circus. I want these fuckers brought out into the light for everyone to see. We need to flip the loving Senate and it needs to be a knife fight to do that.
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quote:On 26 July, a day after the call, US Special Representative for Ukraine Negotiations Kurt Volker visited Kyiv and met with President Zelenskyy and a variety of Ukrainian political figures. Ambassador Volker was accompanied in his meetings by US Ambassador to the EU, Gordon Sondland. Based on multiple readouts of these meetings recounted to me by various US officials, Ambassador Volker and Sonderland reportedly provided advice to the Ukrainian leadership about how to "navigate" the demands that the President had made of Mr. Zelenskyy. Isn't this somewhat new?
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Sep 26, 2019 13:58
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Actually, yes. Enthusiastically true.
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Mahoning posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1177201488688537602 thanks. i just think there is probably more bad poo poo on the server. seems like the leader is in the bunker already screaming for his men to die for him.
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Sep 26, 2019 13:58
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How many more all caps tweets are we going to get today? 6? Maybe a full dozen?
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Taerkar posted:How many more all caps tweets are we going to get today? 6? Maybe a full dozen?
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Sep 26, 2019 13:59
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I like how the whistlevlower is saying "this poo poo is in the public news, people" but officially reporting it as a "whistleblower" is what it took to get things moving. Relying on the press to break a scandal is a huge mistake in this day and age where a) the press reports scandals literally every single day so that they've been normalized and b) Trump has successfully painted the mainstream media as enemies of the people so nobody believes them anyways. So the whistleblower route was the One Neat Trick™ to bypass this apparatus and get something to matter. It put the scandal in the lap of Congress for them to react before anything could be spun or obfuscated by the media.
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Sep 26, 2019 13:59
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Mahoning posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1177201488688537602 The active cover up is new.
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theflyingorc posted:Not a lot we weren't expecting. The terrible phone call, and a ridiculous coverup. Yeah, I don't really see how this is going to move the needle for Republicans, but we'll see. The wording of the letter seems far more damning than the content which, uh, doesn't feel like the right way to say that but I'm not sure how else to do it. Like, it's not that the content isn't hilariously damning, it's just that it's mostly nothing that wasn't already public knowledge. The biggest thing seems to be that it points the finger at other administration officials as well as part of a conspiracy.
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Sep 26, 2019 14:00
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Mahoning posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1177201488688537602 There are two new things I count: There is a word-for-word transcript that was so bad they sought to cover it up. That transcript is being stored on a separate computer system used for extremely sensitive information, so it still exists. It also gives names. Not directly, but the whistleblower confirms a rough number of people who can be subpoenaed to confirm (we kind of knew that would be in there). It’s bad but it’s a bit dense
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Sep 26, 2019 14:00
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Well now. Isn't this kind of Der Untergang-y? Sounds like he wants violence and a civil war.
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friendbot2000 posted:Isn't the best play though to drag this the gently caress out? Like televise all the hearings and drag it all out Nixon style for all the people to see? Air every piece of dirt and grime in this administration. I don't want this fast-tracked. I want a goddamn circus. I want these fuckers brought out into the light for everyone to see. We need to flip the loving Senate and it needs to be a knife fight to do that. It will take a few weeks/months to get people in for open and closed door hearings. It will start today, go to Coats and the other official who resigned, the whistleblower, the IGIC, and then they all will name other people who will be subpoenad. I doubt they will hold a vote before the end of the year, but who knows! https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1177199409949478912
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Sep 26, 2019 14:01
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How did they let all of it leak out so quickly? Is there not a single adult left to keep things in check?
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Sep 26, 2019 14:01
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“The President’s personal lawyer, Mr. Rudolph Giuliani, is a central figure in this effort. Attorney General William Barr appears to be involved as well” I'd like to see Trump wriggle out of this one!
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Sep 26, 2019 14:01
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The whistleblower points out multiple times that much of what big wet Prez and his flunkies did was clearly done for personal profit and not in any official capacity. The last paragraph says that the President ordered aid to Ukraine suspended in early July and no one at the Office of Management and Budget or the National Security Council knew why since there was no policy attached to the request. They're laying out a lot of questions that need to be asked.
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Sep 26, 2019 14:02
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Mahoning posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1177201488688537602 Confirming what we suspected is new and additional. Suspicions and guesses aren't facts.
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Sep 26, 2019 14:02
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How many times has trump tried to bleach his crimes server
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Sep 26, 2019 14:02
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Whistleblower says this is not the first time a transcript had been moved due to politically sensitive info rather than national security info.
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fatherboxx posted:How did they let all of it leak out so quickly? If the whistleblower was in fact someone like Bolton or on his level, he likely told Schiff the IG was withholding it and the push started then for some reason the WH complied and let all this stuff come out I don't know why they hosed up bad really really bad
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