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fermun
Nov 4, 2009
North Star is primarily the people that were in DSA before the Bernie 2016 campaign.

While it is true that the DSA bylaws do allow for the expulsion of DSA members that are dual carding in a self-described democratic centralist organization, DSA as a whole has decided that for now allowing SAlt to openly dual-card is a good thing and the National Political Committee is not seeking to expel SAlt members for openly dual-carding as the open-natured bit of it has been seen as just providing a different political viewpoint without it being an attempt to recruit to their org through splitting off members. North Star doesn't agree but since they don't have any members whatsoever on the NPC, their ability to advocate their opinion is limited.

Because SAlt sided with the majority DSA opinion on international issues such as "while Russia invading Ukraine is bad, the US and NATO really pushed to make it essentially inevitable" or "China's belts and roads initiative is good", North Star now believes that SAlt and other far left groups have taken over DSA and they now want to start kicking out members for the purity of their vision of DSA, which is unlikely to happen as they hold 0 out of 16 seats on national leadership.

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paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
it is my understanding that the DSA NPC is made up almost entirely of North Star ppl and that they form the core of DSA decision making nation wide

PERPETUAL IDIOT
Sep 12, 2003

paul_soccer12 posted:

it is my understanding that the DSA NPC is made up almost entirely of North Star ppl and that they form the core of DSA decision making nation wide

Just to fact check this a bit, it's made up of all the North Star people and the ghost of Michael Harrington, whom they all bring in via seance very much like a supernatural conference call.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

fermun posted:

North Star now believes that SAlt and other far left groups have taken over DSA and they now want to start kicking out members for the purity of their vision of DSA, which is unlikely to happen as they hold 0 out of 16 seats on national leadership.
and that's called unity against authoritarianism

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.
Does the dual membership thing technically apply to the democrat party?

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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is the democratic party demcent? you'd think there'd be bigger consequences for the blue dogs

WorkerThread
Feb 15, 2012


https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1603069660160737285?t=tK9uo_W1mv2cTB2o8_GmdA&s=19

smh at these ultraleft online railroad union members

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

NUMTOT kids all grew up and started railroad careers.

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
say what you will about north star but biden's withdrawal from afghanistan marks the caucus as THE premiere anti-imperialist formation in DSA

MSDOS KAPITAL
Jun 25, 2018





glad to see eddie moving on after getting his rear end kicked by the mountain earlier this year. comeback kid of 2022 imo

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Ferrinus posted:

say what you will about north star but biden's withdrawal from afghanistan marks the caucus as THE premiere anti-imperialist formation in DSA

Only because they selectively apply their dual card regulations to keep Taliban members out.

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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Ferrinus posted:

say what you will about north star but biden's withdrawal from afghanistan marks the caucus as THE premiere anti-imperialist formation in DSA

Impkins Patootie
Apr 20, 2017





bump

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

DSA member Kshama Sawant is starting a podcast or YouTube channel or some poo poo

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

https://twitter.com/nycDSA/status/1630668350945632278

:heysexy:

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I thought that was a joke back when it was the thread title.

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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Xaris posted:

my feedback: cspam is more organized than my DSA chapter


Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!


C-Spam > The Democratic Socialists of America: Solidarity, [Name]

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Ruzihm posted:

C-Spam > The Democratic Socialists of America: Solidarity, [Name]

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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does dsa even do anything anymore? i havent heard anbything about them in awhile

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Ruzihm posted:

C-Spam > The Democratic Socialists of America: Solidarity, [Name]

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002

croup coughfield posted:

does dsa even do anything anymore? i havent heard anbything about them in awhile

depends on the chapter and/or working group; there are locals doing organizing and impactful work from the sounds of it but you don't hear about it at a national level

there is also a healthy debate going over the future direction of dsa (party or anti-party) in light of this year's convention

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

croup coughfield posted:

does dsa even do anything anymore? i havent heard anbything about them in awhile

Did you not see the Speed Dating linked earlier on this page?

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

croup coughfield posted:

does dsa even do anything anymore? i havent heard anbything about them in awhile

name me a better place to find friends or victims

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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Ytlaya posted:

Did you not see the Speed Dating linked earlier on this page?

lmfao

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

croup coughfield posted:

does dsa even do anything anymore? i havent heard anbything about them in awhile

My local chapter got some wage theft legislation passed at the city level, is doing a couple of tenant organizing projects in the city & we've got some runoff campaigns to fight to bring the # of socialists on city council from 1 to 4.

edit: the national convention is this year too, so expect some good laughs there!

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022
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Ruzihm posted:

C-Spam > The Democratic Socialists of America: Solidarity, [Name]

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
my chapter landed an amphibious assault team on a nearby island. well, we tried to but a lot of people didn’t make it ashore. we’re bogged down in the jungle right now and the wifi is spotty. my feet hurt

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

croup coughfield posted:

does dsa even do anything anymore? i havent heard anbything about them in awhile

My chapter couldn't elect a second co-chair because we had a clause that one of the co-chairs had to be woman or POC. The sole co-chair then got a job as a union organizer who travels all over the country. We had several meetings we couldn't make a quorum, and I don't think I've heard from them in months.

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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Greatbacon posted:

My local chapter got some wage theft legislation passed at the city level, is doing a couple of tenant organizing projects in the city & we've got some runoff campaigns to fight to bring the # of socialists on city council from 1 to 4.

edit: the national convention is this year too, so expect some good laughs there!

gently caress yeah, man. this is great to hear!

if you're comfortable, tell me more about the legislation.

Fansy
Feb 26, 2013

I GAVE LOWTAX COOKIE MONEY TO CHANGE YOUR STUPID AVATAR GO FUCK YOURSELF DUDE
Grimey Drawer
My chapter now has 6 out of 50 city council seats :smuggo:

https://twitter.com/DemSocialists/status/1643454278009323520

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002

if you're a member read and maybe vote for these convention resolutions thanks in advance

https://tinyurl.com/RnRMUGResolutions23

edit: this also may be of interest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95kLnhHwfX8

Crusader has issued a correction as of 22:26 on Apr 10, 2023

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

croup coughfield posted:

gently caress yeah, man. this is great to hear!

if you're comfortable, tell me more about the legislation.

Sure, here's a Jacobin piece on it : https://jacobin.com/2023/03/denver-anti-wage-theft-laws-state-local-politics/

the good stuff posted:

The new bill gives aggrieved workers two paths to reclaim stolen wages. The first is through the Denver Labor office, which will investigate the claim and has the ability to charge employers wages owed plus 12 percent interest. The second option is the right of private action, which enables workers to sue in court for treble damages, attorney’s fees, reinstatement of employment, and $100 for every day they went with wages unpaid.

In addition to these avenues, the bill also increases the statute of limitations for wage theft to three years, expands the definition of “worker” to include independent contractors (Uber drivers, DoorDashers, etc.), and institutes “up the chain” restitution, enabling workers to pursue wages from businesses that hired their direct employer.

My understanding is the "up the chain" piece is a real game changer, since sub-contractors love to go "oops we went out of business, sorry!" and leave workers high and dry.

If you want to really get in the weeds, the official language is here (I think) : https://www.denvergov.org/files/assets/public/auditor/documents/denver-labor/2023/civil-wage-theft-rules.pdf

Business Gorillas
Mar 11, 2009

:harambe:



Crusader posted:

depends on the chapter and/or working group; there are locals doing organizing and impactful work from the sounds of it but you don't hear about it at a national level

there is also a healthy debate going over the future direction of dsa (party or anti-party) in light of this year's convention

Has there been a convention where this doesn't happen?

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002

Business Gorillas posted:

Has there been a convention where this doesn't happen?

not recently: https://cosmonautmag.com/2023/03/unite-the-pro-party-wing-to-revolutionize-the-dsa/

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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Greatbacon posted:

Sure, here's a Jacobin piece on it : https://jacobin.com/2023/03/denver-anti-wage-theft-laws-state-local-politics/

My understanding is the "up the chain" piece is a real game changer, since sub-contractors love to go "oops we went out of business, sorry!" and leave workers high and dry.

If you want to really get in the weeds, the official language is here (I think) : https://www.denvergov.org/files/assets/public/auditor/documents/denver-labor/2023/civil-wage-theft-rules.pdf

this kicks rear end everybody look at this poo poo

CaptainJuan
Oct 15, 2008

Thick. Juicy. Tender.

Imagine cutting into a Barry White Song.

Fansy posted:

My chapter now has 6 out of 50 city council seats :smuggo:

https://twitter.com/DemSocialists/status/1643454278009323520

Now that the municipal elections are over in chi the #1 priority (imo) should be the upcoming ups contract fight and strike. Plus a bunch of city department contracts are expiring later this year

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

croup coughfield posted:

does dsa even do anything anymore? i havent heard anbything about them in awhile

There's no point phone banking for Biden until 2024

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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PhilippAchtel posted:

There's no point phone banking for Biden until 2024

brother u better believe that poo poo starts today

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Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

croup coughfield posted:

does dsa even do anything anymore? i havent heard anbything about them in awhile

We just got another alderman elected in Chicago, that's pretty cool

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