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Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

Scionix posted:

so what happens if i read all these here books and decide stalin was an rear end in a top hat, mao was a dumbass, and trotsky was a little annoying twink

is that like third way marxism

should i kill myself

that's just trotskyism

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Scionix
Oct 17, 2009

hoog emm xDDD

Ferrinus posted:

that's just trotskyism

gently caress

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Scionix posted:

gently caress

also like don't worship them

we only give a poo poo about lenin stalin mao etc cause they contributed to and created socialist systems and thought rooted in reality and practice


The study is relevant so we don't try to reinvent the wheel

how many noobs organically conceived of a need for vanguard during the protests and then more or less acted out on that impulse? a lot

could of read a book first

uncop
Oct 23, 2010

Pomeroy posted:

Assuming, of course, that "Maoism" really refers exclusively to Chairman Gonzalo and a few dozen angsty Norwegians... ah, and the tiny handful of Afghan Communists that sided with reactionary landlords and CIA backed torture squads, of course.

I really don't know what you're talking about. Have you ever heard of this organization called RIM? This establishing document of maoism was a product of a broad international consensus that included the Indians (who changed their name since then in a restructuring): http://bannedthought.net/International/RIM/AWTW/1995-20/ll_mlm_20_eng.htm. The Communist Party of Philippines was the only major actor I know of that wasn't part of RIM and only took on the MLM label later.

The document doesn't attack insurrection explicitly but it does affirm the universal applicability of People's War (which means it considers rejecting it as a goal always incorrect). Maoists who don't associate with the Latin American strand have written in length about the inapplicability of insurrection: best known in the USA is probably the Canadian Joshua Moufawad-Paul. And the afghans are right-wing opposition against that mainstream!

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


Scionix posted:

so what happens if i read all these here books and decide stalin was an rear end in a top hat, mao was a dumbass, and trotsky was a little annoying twink

is that like third way marxism

should i kill myself

have u read the bread book, it might be up your alley (I generally recommend skipping Bakunin because he's dnd as gently caress - too many words and huffing own farts)

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
I’m reading Parenti and boy does he care a lot about anti-Italian discrimination. like, a real lot. too much for me imo and I’m Italian

Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

That just means you're not the one who needs to hear it... I apologize for all your people has gone through.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

indigi posted:

I’m reading Parenti and boy does he care a lot about anti-Italian discrimination. like, a real lot. too much for me imo and I’m Italian

read da settlas

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


ive only read the first one so far but the kotkin stalin bio was very good imo

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

indigi posted:

I’m reading Parenti and boy does he care a lot about anti-Italian discrimination. like, a real lot. too much for me imo and I’m Italian

*sniff* not all heroes iz sandinistiz

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/BRRN_Fed/status/1270345660617891842?s=20
https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1270394250597994501?s=20
https://twitter.com/forstudentpower/status/1270394439752654848?s=20
https://twitter.com/aznbrutalistgrl/status/1270160850410766345?s=20

we had a tiny bit of success so i guess it's time to go for the throat of each other agan

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Atrocious Joe posted:

we had a tiny bit of success so i guess it's time to go for the throat of each other agan

https://twitter.com/Comfy_Times/status/1270018579170299906

Pomeroy
Apr 20, 2020

uncop posted:

I really don't know what you're talking about. Have you ever heard of this organization called RIM? This establishing document of maoism was a product of a broad international consensus that included the Indians (who changed their name since then in a restructuring): http://bannedthought.net/International/RIM/AWTW/1995-20/ll_mlm_20_eng.htm. The Communist Party of Philippines was the only major actor I know of that wasn't part of RIM and only took on the MLM label later.

The document doesn't attack insurrection explicitly but it does affirm the universal applicability of People's War (which means it considers rejecting it as a goal always incorrect). Maoists who don't associate with the Latin American strand have written in length about the inapplicability of insurrection: best known in the USA is probably the Canadian Joshua Moufawad-Paul. And the afghans are right-wing opposition against that mainstream!

Your link, it is broken.

Pomeroy fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Jun 9, 2020

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

I really hate this nonsense bullshit


this is funny though

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Scionix posted:

so what happens if i read all these here books and decide stalin was an rear end in a top hat, mao was a dumbass, and trotsky was a little annoying twink

is that like third way marxism

should i kill myself

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_to_Serfdom

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos

https://twitter.com/riotdrone/status/1270444226724200448

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
breadtube has a lot to answer for

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
https://twitter.com/surrealsoo/status/1270090412661911552

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos
still loving blown away at the guy living in brooklyn calling other countries "state capitalist"

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
as someone who would still probably at least nominally identify as an anarchist, anarchists are the loving worst and I hate them

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos

indigi posted:

as someone who would still probably at least nominally identify as an anarchist, anarchists are the loving worst and I hate them

if it makes you feel better all the people in that twitter thread are 19 year old trust fund liberals

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
efb

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
it was a post making fun of anarchists though

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
that GetFiscal posts is pretty yikes

i know the guy can't help himself, but come on

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

god drat just dragging everyone with this one

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
Making jokes is good

ToxicAcne
May 25, 2014
Yeah honestly though, a bunch of chucklefucks on twitter don't really represent the movement.

Anyways I've just received a copy of Walter Rodney's Russian Revolution and I was wondering if anyone knows any similar authors who come from South Asia. I'd also be interested in Southeast Asian Authors as well.

Also another random question but as someone who knows next to nothing about Maoism, why do Maoists and Anarchists seem to be allied in many places in the west (and Chile too if I remember correctly).

Edit: I also remembered that the Zapatatistas started out as a Maoist outfit, so there must be some sort of theoretical linkage?

ToxicAcne fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Jun 9, 2020

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

smarxist posted:

that GetFiscal posts is pretty yikes

i know the guy can't help himself, but come on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P7z1n99rZ4

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
i know it's a troll jokey troll ;smuggo:, i can be aware of that and also think its bad

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

does anyone have that one getfiscal post from the rhizzone "it's like im the incredible hulk"

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

StashAugustine posted:

does anyone have that one getfiscal post from the rhizzone "it's like im the incredible hulk"

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1241593893688352778

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
he's also produced the only good "I identify as an attack helicopter" joke.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
someone please find the getfiscal post where stalin and hitler are having a conversation on how best to oppress the brave ukrainian peoples

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
don whips

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
my impression of what the eventual anarchist vs. ML civil war inside the CHAZ will look like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X8bBE1M994

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

my impression of what the eventual anarchist vs. ML civil war inside the CHAZ will look like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X8bBE1M994

We've already seen what it will look like:

It will be a bunch of nerds using theory to argue if it is or isn't praxis to cheat on your partner

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

my impression of what the eventual anarchist vs. ML civil war inside the CHAZ will look like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X8bBE1M994

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faMH69bdB_4

ed: sisko is, of course, the marxist

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

mila kunis posted:

someone please find the getfiscal post where stalin and hitler are having a conversation on how best to oppress the brave ukrainian peoples

i have searched in vain for that post. the problem is that the actual dialogue is too long for a tweet so it's in an image getfiscal posted, but i distinctly recall that it includes hitler talking to stalin and using the phrase ", whose evil exceeds perhaps even my own"

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i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

i wanna read some getfiscal revleft posts from 2005

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