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Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.
I will harass and aggreive the DSA at a national level for much less than 360 grand a year

also
thanks fermun

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fermun
Nov 4, 2009
looking through the information that they made available before tomorrow's budget meeting, it looks like expected revenue from dues went down by about $500,000 for 2024 and personnel expenses are expected to go up by about $750,000, primarily due to about $250,000 increase in health insurance premiums for national staff and the 2023 convention voting to give the NPC and national labor committee stipends, which are expected to hit $455,000 this year between the 20-odd people eligible. additionally $200,000 was earmarked at the convention to help 10 chapters rent an office.

they also say that historically they get a big bump of membership and donation revenue on election years but that they can't rely on it, so they intend to make some cuts tomorrow with further cuts set up if cash on hand ends up down to 4 months of operation and then a new budget meeting should it raise above some length of time they determine in the future.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

fermun posted:

looking through the information that they made available before tomorrow's budget meeting, it looks like expected revenue from dues went down by about $500,000 for 2024 and personnel expenses are expected to go up by about $750,000, primarily due to about $250,000 increase in health insurance premiums for national staff and the 2023 convention voting to give the NPC and national labor committee stipends, which are expected to hit $455,000 this year between the 20-odd people eligible. additionally $200,000 was earmarked at the convention to help 10 chapters rent an office.

they also say that historically they get a big bump of membership and donation revenue on election years but that they can't rely on it, so they intend to make some cuts tomorrow with further cuts set up if cash on hand ends up down to 4 months of operation and then a new budget meeting should it raise above some length of time they determine in the future.

well they got to make up one hell of a hole at 30K a month

was there ever a reason behind why they needed to hire a "national harassment and grievance officer" at 30K a month? I mean, it didn't occur to me that the DSA's national harassment and grievance issues were such that they needed to hire a specialist at $187.50 per hour

bedpan has issued a correction as of 11:11 on Jan 14, 2024

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

assuming $500,000 a year, 72% of the yearly rake off the membership was going to this single person's salary

ahh, I see. Dues went down by 500K.

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

is svart still employed by the dsa

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

lumpentroll posted:

is svart still employed by the dsa

of course, why would you want to fire someone who was doing exactly what they were supposed to do?

according to her linkedin, she went from graduating from the university of chicago (lmao) to the "Massachusetts Public Interest Research Group" to the "Service Employees International Union" to the "Committee of Interns and Residents/SEIU Healthcare" before ending up at the DSA in 2011.

I've no doubt she has been wildly successful at each position.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

"standard" membership in the DSA is billed at $15 per month so the DSA needed 2000 standard members to pay a single month for the services of a "national harassment and grievance officer"

bedpan has issued a correction as of 11:10 on Jan 14, 2024

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Ending the Grievance Officer Contract

quote:

Due to its massive cost, last term’s Bread & Roses NPC members led a successful effort to end the contract with Paula Brantner of PB Work Solutions, who handles national grievance issues. At our 2023 convention, our comrades in another caucus put forward a resolution to put that effort into official effect, and it passed by a wide margin. However, many months after this decision was made, PB Work Solutions is still on payroll. This is because before DSA can end her contract, we must find a replacement. Per her contract, before she departs DSA, she must spend at least a month training a replacement and is required to complete end-of-contract deliverables. Because of this, for every month DSA retains PM work solutions, DSA spends $30,000 and must pay an additional $30,000 at the conclusion of her contract.

We recognize the importance of a grievance officer: inadequately handled misconduct has destroyed other left organizations and we must not allow that to happen in DSA. But we can protect DSA without this staggering cost. It’s time to end the contract once and for all and stop hemorrhaging this money.

There is an ongoing debate over whether to hire a staff member to be our grievance officer or to hire another, less expensive consultant. While it is less clear to us what the best long-term solution is, we believe that we should appoint one or multiple temporary grievance officer(s) from our membership. This could be a member of the National Grievance Committee, an experienced chapter-level grievance officer, an NPC member, or some combination of these. With PB Work Solutions providing guidance for at least the first month, the NPC will still be able to process grievances and handle any urgent issues without unnecessarily spending money.

Conclusion
Like any other budget, the DSA budget is a political statement of our values and priorities. Bread & Roses is committed to budget transparency and we hope that this article contributes to political discussion about our budget. We look forward to hearing any responses to our proposals and arguments, to spirited debate around our finances, and ultimately, to moving on from the budget to focus on our work to revitalize the labor movement, build towards a workers party, and fight for justice around the globe.

fermun
Nov 4, 2009

bedpan posted:

well they got to make up one hell of a whole at 30K a month

was there ever a reason behind why they needed to hire a "national harassment and grievance officer" at 30K a month? I mean, it didn't occur to me that the DSA's national harassment and grievance issues were such that they needed to hire a specialist at $187.50 per hour

the 2019 convention had a vote to hire a NHGO, the NPC that was elected to that had very little idea about what to look for, and after over a year of not hiring anyone, they tasked maria svart to do the hiring since she had hired like all the staff. she hired a person she knew for $25,000/month for a 24 month contract and then in november 2022 there was a new NPC and they negotiated to renew it at $30,000/month for 19 months, some of the NPC thinking she was useless so getting a shorter time but they also didn't want to do a new hiring process so they kicked the can down the road to a point where the next NPC would be stuck with handling the new hiring and finances were fine at the time so they paid more to not have to deal with it themselves. this vote nearly failed, but passed due to caucuses that had a bunch of people looking to one day be consultants themselves. the next npc then fired the NHGO but didn't hire a new one, instead they created a committee to advise them on a new hiring process and tasked that committee to deliver a report to the next NPC

the current NPC was elected in august, took over in september/october, got the report for the committee on recommendation to deal with the NHGO issue in november, and is going to come to a decision now later today. if a new one is hired, the old one still gets $30,000/month until the new one is hired and an additional month of pay after that as her current contract extends on a monthly basis until a new NHGO is hired

i thiiiiink if she hadn't been fired that her contract would just end in 3 months, but not sure about that.

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

quote:

Bread & Roses NPC members

oh come on lol

platzapS
Aug 4, 2007

go woke, go broke

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

fermun posted:

the $30,000/month national harassment and grievance officer contract is because the national leadership when she was hired had assigned the national director, maria svart, to do the hiring and she went with a personal friend that doesn't identify as a socialist and disagrees with the goals of dsa and so signed a contract that said the nhgo gets paid $30,000/month until 1 month after being replaced, should she get fired. then the nhgo failed to meet her job duties and filed all paperwork months later than it was due so got fired and for some reason hasn't been replaced yet.

Thank you. Svart sucks lol why is she the head the org.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

ridiculous

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

running your non-party as an ngo is turning out great

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
I'm willing to be the grievance officer for $29,999 / month.

Eliot Rosewater
Apr 16, 2008

In Training posted:

Thank you. Svart sucks lol why is she the head the org.

good news, she’s supposed to give her resignation to the NPC today lmao

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

also why is this all in the open? why do i know this

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

crazy that when you fill your org's leadership with lumpenized democrat careerists they steal all your money and push all the management decisions on to the next elected council of people to steal your money

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

R. Mute posted:

also why is this all in the open? why do i know this

Why wouldn't it be? Woudl it be better that the membership doesn't know how their dues are being spent?

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

In Training posted:

Why wouldn't it be? Woudl it be better that the membership doesn't know how their dues are being spent?

i don't think r. mute is a member of the dsa

slicing up eyeballs
Oct 19, 2005

I got me two olives and a couple of limes


the barrier to entry is so low and member discipline so weak that it's not unreasonable to expect member only information to be functionally public

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

quote:

The proposed contract would allocate $540,000 in compensation for the NHGO for a term of 19 months — an annual salary of $360,000. This expenditure would represent a major chunk (approximately 5%) of DSA’s total budget and constitute a pay raise of 20% from the NHGO’s current compensation of $300,000 annually. We cannot support an expense of this magnitude on a single consultant in an internally-facing role given that this salary is wildly higher than the industry average for grievance officers.
someone who is good at the economy please help me budget this my org is dying

Jon Pod Van Damm
Apr 6, 2009

THE POSSESSION OF WEALTH IS IN AND OF ITSELF A SIGN OF POOR VIRTUE. AS SUCH:
1 NEVER TRUST ANY RICH PERSON.
2 NEVER HIRE ANY RICH PERSON.
BY RULE 1, IT IS APPROPRIATE TO PRESUME THAT ALL DEGREES AND CREDENTIALS HELD BY A WEALTHY PERSON ARE FRAUDULENT. THIS JUSTIFIES RULE 2--RULE 1 NEEDS NO JUSTIFIC



socialism with american characteristics

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
Whatever happened to the dsa they spent half a million dollars on inter org grievances and in fighting sounds like a rw joke lol, feel bad for all the chapters that are like organizing workplaces or forming tenants unions or whatever then dig a little deeper into the org and find out about this stuff

Lin-Manuel Turtle
Jul 12, 2023

How it started

Ace of Baes posted:



What are is the Democratic Socialists of America?

From their website.

The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is the largest socialist organization in the United States, and the principal U.S. affiliate of the Socialist International. DSA's members are building progressive movements for social change while establishing an openly democratic socialist presence in American communities and politics.

At the root of our socialism is a profound commitment to democracy, as means and end. As we are unlikely to see an immediate end to capitalism tomorrow, DSA fights for reforms today that will weaken the power of corporations and increase the power of working people. For example, we support reforms that:

decrease the influence of money in politics

empower ordinary people in workplaces and the economy

restructure gender and cultural relationships to be more equitable.

We are activists committed to democracy as not simply one of our political values but our means of restructuring society. Our vision is of a society in which people have a real voice in the choices and relationships that affect the entirety of our lives. We call this vision democratic socialism — a vision of a more free, democratic and humane society.

In this web site you can find out about DSA, its politics, structure and program. DSA's political perspective is called Where We Stand. It says, in part,

We are socialists because we reject an international economic order sustained by private profit, alienated labor, race and gender discrimination, environmental destruction, and brutality and violence in defense of the status quo.

We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane international social order based both on democratic planning and market mechanisms to achieve equitable distribution of resources, meaningful work, a healthy environment, sustainable growth, gender and racial equality, and non-oppressive relationships.

DSA has a youth section, Young Democratic Socialists (YDS). Made up of students from colleges and high schools, the Youth Section works on economic justice and democracy and prison justice projects. It is a member of the International Union of Socialist Youth, an affiliate of the Socialist International. The Youth Section meets several times during the year.

The DSA has chapters all over the country, chances are there's one in your state, if there isn't one near you though, starting your own chapter isn't very hard.
To find a chapter:
http://www.dsausa.org/chapters

To start a chapter:
http://www.dsausa.org/start_a_chapter

Also if you're going to start a chapter download and read this;

http://www.dsausa.org/organizing_for_justice

Also read that anyway because it's a great guide for organizing in general.

The DSA has yearly dues, which can be seen here:



As you can see, it's pretty affordable for once a year, the dues are necessary because the DSA is completely funded by membership/dues, people who can't afford the dues are still welcome to attend meetings and volunteer with the cause, they're just not dues paying members of the DSA, although from what I've personally heard usually chapter heads will work with people who can't afford the $27 low income due.

To become a member of the DSA go here;
https://dsausa.nationbuilder.com/join


So what does the DSA actually do?
DSA chapters do a lot of local stuff, like a DSA chapter in my state is working on improving the treatment of the homeless in the major city, and stopping/reversing the illegality of being homeless. The national DSA also does campaigns, for example they supported Bernie Sanders during the democratic primary, and they also have a current campaign, from their website;

DSA and YDS chapters organize around a variety of issues based on local priorities, especially labor solidarity and anti-austerity work. However, the national office provides resources and support for the main activist priorities of the organization:

Standing Up to Hate Emergency Response

In response to the anti-Mexican, anti-black, anti-Muslim, anti-refugee anti-woman and general hate-mongering coming from Donald Trump and the way he is creating space for racist extremists to mobilize, DSA local chapters are reaching out to immigrant rights organizations, mosques and others who may be targets for violence. We are mobilizing to spread the message that hate only creates more hate, and we will continue to resist him and what he represents. Longer term, DSA chapters will work to build a multi-racial democratic socialist movement that is forthrightly anti-racist and includes white poor and working class and rural folks.

Feel free to use this thread to ask questions about the DSA, talk about the DSA, post sick DSA memes, discuss organizing efforts/progress etc.
Please do not use this thread to hate on the DSA, or be a big baby with a poopy diaper.


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OP 7 Years later

Ace of Baes posted:

Whatever happened to the dsa they spent half a million dollars on inter org grievances and in fighting sounds like a rw joke lol, feel bad for all the chapters that are like organizing workplaces or forming tenants unions or whatever then dig a little deeper into the org and find out about this stuff

owns

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

spending half a million dollars on inter org grievances and in fighting would be an improvement

khazar sansculotte
May 14, 2004

I saw a spreadsheet DSA management is using to cost out the staff union's bargaining proposals and their calculation of personnel costs for this year explicitly includes the cost of paying everyone's severance package lol

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

Punished Turtle posted:

How it started

OP 7 Years later

owns

This is how Goon projects usually go.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

I was at least expecting the $30k/month person to be "king of the DSA" or something instead of a "harassment and grievance officer."

How does that even happen?

joepinetree
Apr 5, 2012
Filing harassment complaints and trying to get people kicked from dsa became the de fact way internal politics was handled (remember trying to kick liz bruenig from dsa despite her not being a member of dsa?). That poisoned the well against any internal solutions, and you don't want to be the one to vote against the external solution.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
it's only reasonable for the organization dedicated to moronic internal slapfights would have a moronic internal slapfight officer. it's even more reasonable for this person to not do anything and get paid for it because what are all the morons slapfighting gonna do? as demonstrated, nothing.

joepinetree
Apr 5, 2012
DSA is a perfectly tuned machine aimed at taking any energy for change and channeling into irrelevant procedural nonsense.

My last meeting with DSA there was a stupid slapfight for like 30 minutes over whether a particular motion could come up for a vote, and there was a whole thing about roberts rules of order and amending the agenda (note, the debate wasn't about the motion itself, but whether someone could make a motion to amend the agenda to add the motion for debate and a vote). The guy wanting to put the motion to a vote got loud at one point. So this lady interrupted him and said that as a victim of sexual assault he was triggering her by speaking loudly. He then said that as a victim of sexual assault himself he found it extremely concerning that she would casually use sexual assault that way. Which then led to mutual threats of filing grievances, a discussion of how no one internal should be able to handle it, and a promise by the chair of seeking help from national. Best part was that the motion itself was some vague pablum about engaging in electoralism even after Bernie's defeat.

After the meeting was over, I cancelled my membership, and asked to be removed from the rolls (despite being allowed to continue on as a member for a while if I wanted).

joepinetree has issued a correction as of 10:47 on Jan 15, 2024

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011


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PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

the bitcoin of weed posted:

crazy that when you fill your org's leadership with lumpenized democrat careerists they steal all your money and push all the management decisions on to the next elected council of people to steal your money

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

gotta have my purp

joepinetree posted:

DSA is a perfectly tuned machine aimed at taking any energy for change and channeling into irrelevant procedural nonsense.

My last meeting with DSA there was a stupid slapfight for like 30 minutes over whether a particular motion could come up for a vote, and there was a whole thing about roberts rules of order and amending the agenda (note, the debate wasn't about the motion itself, but whether someone could make a motion to amend the agenda to add the motion for debate and a vote). The guy wanting to put the motion to a vote got loud at one point. So this lady interrupted him and said that as a victim of sexual assault he was triggering her by speaking loudly. He then said that as a victim of sexual assault himself he found it extremely concerning that she would casually use sexual assault that way. Which then led to mutual threats of filing grievances, a discussion of how no one internal should be able to handle it, and a promise by the chair of seeking help from national. Best part was that the motion itself was some vague pablum about engaging in electoralism even after Bernie's defeat.

After the meeting was over, I cancelled my membership, and asked to be removed from the rolls (despite being allowed to continue on as a member for a while if I wanted).

lmfao

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

fermun
Nov 4, 2009
as a reminder, you can't be a communist alone, so even as dysfunctional as dsa is, if youre not in an org, you're a lib.

it doesn't have to be dsa, though thats the only org available in a lot of places, but join salt or cpusa or whatever

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.
So some time ago some of the local collection of lumpenized democrat careerists in this thread were very happy they had elected an alderman, Angela Clay, in Chicago. I was wondering how she has been going. Has she achieved anything?

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

fermun posted:

as a reminder, you can't be a communist alone, so even as dysfunctional as dsa is, if youre not in an org, you're a lib.

it doesn't have to be dsa, though thats the only org available in a lot of places, but join salt or cpusa or whatever

you can register as a democrat or republican in a lot more places

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Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Jon Pod Van Damm posted:

socialism with american characteristics

Lol

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