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For an animal to be domesticatable before contemporary times it needed to more or less fill out this checklist. 1: Can you trap it in a fence? 2: Does it have a social system you can make yourself the leader of? 3: Is its breeding cycle short enough you can keep track of and manipulate it without modern record keeping? 4: Is it's flight or flight response at the goldilocks spot where it won't try to immediately kill everything in sight or have a panic attack if it sees a human? 5: Is it's food both readily available and in-edible to humans? If you don't have these you essentially can't domesticate it. A few (namely Dogs, Cats, and Pigs) can fudge number 5 a little bit because they can just be left to scavenge or eat trash.
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galagazombie posted:For an animal to be domesticatable before contemporary times it needed to more or less fill out this checklist. How did they do elephants? Serious question. They’ve got 2 and 5 I guess, but they need an awful lot of food and they’re so big it must be a huge pain to restrain them or make them breed.
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Boars must have been a pain to domesticate at first as they don’t have much qualms about eating humans that get in the way.
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skasion posted:How did they do elephants? Serious question. They’ve got 2 and 5 I guess, but they need an awful lot of food and they’re so big it must be a huge pain to restrain them or make them breed. elephants aren't domesticated. There are some tame elephants but they aren't genetically pre-disposed to living and working with humans like truly domesticated animals are
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Aug 23, 2020 21:52
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Love this book
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skasion posted:How did they do elephants? Serious question. They’ve got 2 and 5 I guess, but they need an awful lot of food and they’re so big it must be a huge pain to restrain them or make them breed. As for restraints you don't need a like, super tall fence, you just need a tough one. The food thing is true but a lot of it is wild plants and general fodder.
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cheetah7071 posted:coincidentally identical to the range of the korean empire,  The historic range of the wisent, extending to... FINLAND!!?! galagazombie posted:For an animal to be domesticatable before contemporary times it needed to more or less fill out this checklist. 1 isn't true, Saami aren't fencing reindeer and if you can milk it and use it for carrying things imo it's domesticated. 2. I don't think this works for pigs. 3. You don't need record keeping to eat the aggressive ones and keep the chill ones. Weka fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Aug 23, 2020 |
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Aug 23, 2020 22:16
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I thought Sami specifically fenced in the herd members picked for taming? Although my knowledge is limited to a work of fiction I read a decade ago.
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Technically the ability to easily fence in most domesticated animals is pretty recent, only within the last 150 years. Through most of history, the dominant strategy to controlling where your animals went was just manually shooing them away from where you don't want them to go. Like maybe you can have one small building to put them in at night or when it's raining, but then it's a lot of extra work to harvest more food to manually feed them. There's also bees and silkworms as domesticated animals. I don't know if bees have gone through any major physiological changes from domestication, but silkworms have lost a lot of their ability to operate independent of humans like some plants have.
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Aug 24, 2020 00:33
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 As you can see Atlantis is incorrectly rendered as part of Old Israel.
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Aug 24, 2020 01:34
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Aug 24, 2020 01:38
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54 1A poisoned everybody.
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Aug 24, 2020 01:44
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Grand Fromage posted:The idea that European fishermen had been to NA (at least off the coast) and he'd heard about it is a fun one but I expect there's no evidence to be found, unfortunately. I'd love it if they found a shipwreck or something. They have found evidence of winter camps in Newfoundland daring back to the 11 century. More then likely the Basque, Breton and Bristol fish fleets had been to Newfoundland
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Aug 24, 2020 02:13
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sbaldrick posted:They have found evidence of winter camps in Newfoundland daring back to the 11 century. More then likely the Basque, Breton and Bristol fish fleets had been to Newfoundland Do you know where the papers are? I've seen Basque people claim they were the first to NA but have never heard of any evidence for it.
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Aug 24, 2020 02:38
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The greatest food makers in human history were the sausage makers of Lucania, because their sausages impacted the human experience enough that 2000 years later hundreds of millions of people still call sausages "Lucanians"
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Grand Fromage posted:Do you know where the papers are? I've seen Basque people claim they were the first to NA but have never heard of any evidence for it. It's a fringe theory with no known evidence besides coincidence of dates.
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Aug 24, 2020 03:00
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Athanasius of Alexandria did 9/11
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Aug 24, 2020 03:04
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What’s up with the secret name of Rome?
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a fatguy baldspot posted:What’s up with the secret name of Rome? One of my recent posts in this thread was about that very question. The short answer is we don’t know, but several guesses have been proposed.
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Arglebargle III posted:Athanasius of Alexandria did 9/11
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Aug 24, 2020 06:09
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XI/IX  Actually, would Romans put the month first or the day first in a date?
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Kassad posted:XI/IX The kept dates a bit more complicatedly than that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_calendar#Months
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A Roman might even comprehend the sentence "Noun, verb, 9/11," which is hilarious to me.
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a fatguy baldspot posted:What’s up with the secret name of Rome? Rome is the name of the people and republic, but was not the name of the city. Ancient peoples believed a specific deity protected cities and were often named after that being. The Romans, rather than crushing the defeated’s idols would transfer them back to HQ so that they became part of the Roman pantheon. Rome’s guardian and true name is a closely kept secret because capturing that god would give you power over the Romans.
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That guardians true name ? : Roma
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Aug 24, 2020 12:47
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Actually it was "Richard"
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Mr. Nice! posted:Rome is the name of the people and republic, but was not the name of the city. Ancient peoples believed a specific deity protected cities and were often named after that being. The Romans, rather than crushing the defeated’s idols would transfer them back to HQ so that they became part of the Roman pantheon. Didn't they also do a ritual before attacking a city where they tried to bribe the resident god into throwing in with them? (and thus letting the attack succeed.)
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a fatguy baldspot posted:What’s up with the secret name of Rome? If we told you, it wouldn't be a secret anymore.
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it's newark
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Roman children wasn't named in the order in which they were born, but after the month they was born in. Quinctius didn't get his name because he was the fifth child but because he was born in july.
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I'm trying to find a piece of pre-Colombian art, I think from Mesoamerica and coming from a civilization older than the Aztecs. It's sort of a continual vertical scroll that I believe shows the impression that would be made from a cylindrical stamp that was rolled over clay. It depicts a figure with its mouth open to eat it's own bottom/feet and it was called something like "Earth goddess eating itself". Any ideas?
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Its actually Reme
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If you could give them a map and reassure them it wouldn't be a suicide mission, could the romans (or carthaginians or whoever) have actually rounded the cape? It's not like you need to go far from the coast for that. (I think)
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Grand Fromage posted:Do you know where the papers are? I've seen Basque people claim they were the first to NA but have never heard of any evidence for it. I know I’ve read in non crazy people journals that digs have found metal tools from the 14th century for n the Avalon pensulla but it’s so limited it’s guess work. It’s much like everyone knows there should be more Norse settlements beyond L'Anse aux Meadows but we haven’t found them.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:If you could give them a map and reassure them it wouldn't be a suicide mission, could the romans (or carthaginians or whoever) have actually rounded the cape? It's not like you need to go far from the coast for that. (I think) which one
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They could just go down the Red Sea to get to the Indian Ocean tho. Or the Persian gulf even
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:If you could give them a map and reassure them it wouldn't be a suicide mission, could the romans (or carthaginians or whoever) have actually rounded the cape? It's not like you need to go far from the coast for that. (I think) According to Herodotus, the Phoenicians did it in 600 BCE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necho_II#Phoenician_expedition
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:If you could give them a map and reassure them it wouldn't be a suicide mission, could the romans (or carthaginians or whoever) have actually rounded the cape? It's not like you need to go far from the coast for that. (I think) You do to get past Cape Bojador.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.