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PopZeus posted:feeling a little crazy - was there a video that was very close-up of Elizabeth Holmes where she is creepily talking right into camera? google is failing me, or maybe i'm thinking of another tech person making a similar video? I love how apparently at one point she was advised "Hey, you should try to find a unique aesthetic style for your public appearances. Steve Jobs did and it worked well for him", and then she proceeded to just outright copy Steve Jobs' turtleneck deal. 
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Did that work well for Steve Jobs?
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Feb 19, 2021 23:28
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she also puts on a deeper voice. try to look up video or audio where she doesnt put up her biz woman persona and compare it to that video or most of her public appaearences.
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Feb 19, 2021 23:51
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PhazonLink posted:she also puts on a deeper voice. try to look up video or audio where she doesnt put up her biz woman persona and compare it to that video or most of her public appaearences. Disruptive technologies are basically a cargo cult
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Feb 20, 2021 00:05
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xtal posted:Did that work well for Steve Jobs? The whole "guy in a turtleneck and jeans" deal was a lot more low-key and intimate than *ANNOUNCING WINDOWS 99 >2 minute rock video montage< And now here's STAR TREK to talk about how WINDOWS goes WARP SPEEEEED!* This is aside from that whole canard of "Einstein only had one outfit on the daily because he used his ALPHA PROCESSING BRAIN BANDWITH for more important things" that was also attributed to Jobs.
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Feb 20, 2021 00:16
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exmachina posted:Disruptive technologies are basically a cargo cult "Disruption" is basically code for "skirting regulations until we're too big to stop".
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Feb 20, 2021 00:20
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Mister Facetious posted:"Disruption" is basically code for "skirting regulations until we're too big to stop". And, usually, "figuring out a way to avoid unions on technicalities"
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Feb 20, 2021 00:33
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FilthyImp posted:After he came back to Apple in the mid 90s? Absolutely. Yeah, compare Steve Jobs's public persona to that of Steve Ballmer lol https://youtu.be/Nrtz6tiIgy4
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Feb 20, 2021 03:04
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FilthyImp posted:After he came back to Apple in the mid 90s? Absolutely. The idea of wearing a sweater and jeans might have been endearing, compared to IBM suits. That's why everyone dresses down lately. But as far as wearing the same outfit every day, the only people who have tried that since are Zuckerberg and Holmes. All three have come to be seen as grifters and extremely goofy, to put it in non-ableist terms.
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Feb 20, 2021 03:40
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On the other hand every tech CEO loves to premiere their poo poo on a big conference stage and charge attendees thousands to see it in person, which I think Apple really started as a trend.
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Feb 20, 2021 04:39
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Holmes' whole deal is like Pete Buttegieg; a grift specifically designed to make rich old fucks see them as a motivated young go-getter, not like today's lazy kids with their jobs and independent personalities, while being a total pod person to everyone else.
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Feb 20, 2021 04:55
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https://twitter.com/grahamstarr/status/1362892788979925005?s=21 Google loudly announcing that they don’t need no stinking ethics
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Their ethical AI team don't seem to understand they are there to rubberstamp what Google does, not actually consider the ethics of it.
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Feb 20, 2021 16:45
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adoration for none posted:Yeah, compare Steve Jobs's public persona to that of Steve Ballmer lol Might remember it wrong but I think it was a bizarre attempt at getting people hyped for MS products after Jobs had become the Messiah of Tech. Before that Ballmer was just a forgettable corporate suit.
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aware of dog posted:https://twitter.com/grahamstarr/status/1362892788979925005?s=21 It seems that she got fired because she put together a script to make an external backup of a bunch of her emails related to the dismissal of Timnit Gebru, presumably for legal use against the company. To be honest, that seems pretty much par for the course. I don't know what else anyone would expect. https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/19/tech/google-ai-ethics-investigation/index.html Kaal fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Feb 20, 2021 |
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Owling Howl posted:Might remember it wrong but I think it was a bizarre attempt at getting people hyped for MS products after Jobs had become the Messiah of Tech. Before that Ballmer was just a forgettable corporate suit. Ballmer and Gates definitely were going through a... phase. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7PYQCXdX3A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY2j_GPIqRA
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Feb 21, 2021 00:17
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Kaal posted:It seems that she got fired because she put together a script to make an external backup of a bunch of her emails related to the dismissal of Timnit Gebru, presumably for legal use against the company. To be honest, that seems pretty much par for the course. I don't know what else anyone would expect. How else is she to preserve materials for protecting herself against illegal labor practices?
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Feb 21, 2021 02:26
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xtal posted:The idea of wearing a sweater and jeans might have been endearing, compared to IBM suits. That's why everyone dresses down lately. But as far as wearing the same outfit every day, the only people who have tried that since are Zuckerberg and Holmes. All three have come to be seen as grifters and extremely goofy, to put it in non-ableist terms. Despite being an rear end in a top hat, an occasional idiot, and at all times a marketer, Jobs definitely wasn't a grifter. He did actually steer Apple into massive amounts of money instead of being a sinking also-ran OS. A lot of it was screaming at designers to make things extremely perfect and bending reality to his own will, but it definitely paid off.
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Feb 21, 2021 02:31
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Solkanar512 posted:How else is she to preserve materials for protecting herself against illegal labor practices? Get a lawyer first, so she had a court order and a veneer of legality. Realistically, any company is going to have cause to fire someone who is taking company materials for their own use. It's no different than if she had been caught Xeroxing a bunch of corporate documents in person. And frankly if I had been in her position the last thing I'd worry about would be Google attempting an email cover-up. Kaal fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Feb 21, 2021 |
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Feb 21, 2021 02:39
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Volmarias posted:Despite being an rear end in a top hat, an occasional idiot, and at all times a marketer, Jobs definitely wasn't a grifter. He did actually steer Apple into massive amounts of money instead of being a sinking also-ran OS. A lot of it was screaming at designers to make things extremely perfect and bending reality to his own will, but it definitely paid off. Probably ties in with how Apple keeps putting out stuff that has tech nerds go 'It doesn't do anything new, why would I want this?' and then becomes omnipresent because it's the first thing in the market that's actually usable by normal people, they had that laser focus on presentation and accessibility.
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Feb 21, 2021 03:28
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No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame.
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Feb 21, 2021 03:50
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Kaal posted:Get a lawyer first, so she had a court order and a veneer of legality. Realistically, any company is going to have cause to fire someone who is taking company materials for their own use. It's no different than if she had been caught Xeroxing a bunch of corporate documents in person. And frankly if I had been in her position the last thing I'd worry about would be Google attempting an email cover-up. And then they find a million different ways to harass you out of a job. Are you seriously this new to the american workplace?
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Feb 22, 2021 03:22
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Solkanar512 posted:And then they find a million different ways to harass you out of a job. Are you seriously this new to the american workplace? If anyone is lawyering up they obviously should be prepared to find a new job, that goes without saying. Any version of "I'm going to battle with my company" is going to result in an end of employment. Since she wasn't even doing all this for herself, but rather for her work partner, it was a particularly bad idea.
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Feb 22, 2021 04:03
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xtal posted:The idea of wearing a sweater and jeans might have been endearing, compared to IBM suits. That's why everyone dresses down lately. But as far as wearing the same outfit every day, the only people who have tried that since are Zuckerberg and Holmes. All three have come to be seen as grifters and extremely goofy, to put it in non-ableist terms. The best code is made by college drop outs!
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Feb 22, 2021 05:48
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HootTheOwl posted:Tech dresses down because they (we) are youth obsessed and need to play up looking like children so you'll believe they're cutting edge. It's easier than it looks since the old fucks with all the money think everyone under 50 is a literal child.
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Feb 22, 2021 05:52
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HootTheOwl posted:Tech dresses down because they (we) are youth obsessed and need to play up looking like children so you'll believe they're cutting edge. Tech dresses down because no one is customer facing except for the sales people (who dress up), and there's no reason to dress up otherwise. The dress code is "wear clothes", aside from that no one really cares for the most part. exceptions may apply for women due to the lovely reality of our world regardless
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Feb 22, 2021 05:59
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You're customer facing if your customers are investors, and then you're dressing down to cargo cult Steve Wozniak's garage
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Feb 22, 2021 06:07
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Volmarias posted:Tech dresses down because no one is customer facing except for the sales people (who dress up), and there's no reason to dress up otherwise. The dress code is "wear clothes", aside from that no one really cares for the most part. exceptions may apply for women due to the lovely reality of our world regardless The techbro dress code is emphatically not just "wear clothes." Just like every other human endeavor, clothes are used to communicate who's part of the in-group and who's part of the out-group, and used by people to flex on each other. I am being 100% serious when I say you wouldn't want to be the person showing up in a hoodie and Allbirds to a "sport coat over a vintage Atari t-shirt with designer jeans and $250 sneakers" event.
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Space Gopher posted:The techbro dress code is emphatically not just "wear clothes." Just like every other human endeavor, clothes are used to communicate who's part of the in-group and who's part of the out-group, and used by people to flex on each other. I guess I misunderstood. If you mean "The techbro dress code for investor meetings" then yeah, I'm sure you need to go with expensive faux college student bullshit to project an image.
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Feb 22, 2021 06:18
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Any tech company that deserves the name does style consultancy because social media exists and a bad picture can gently caress you.
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Feb 22, 2021 06:18
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Volmarias posted:I guess I misunderstood. If you mean "The techbro dress code for investor meetings" then yeah, I'm sure you need to go with expensive faux college student bullshit to project an image. OK, sure, let's set aside the investors-and-C-levels side of things, and just talk about the engineering organizations. Try showing up for a few west coast tech interviews in a conservative business suit. You will very quickly learn that there's a dress code, and it's not "just wear clothes."
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Feb 22, 2021 06:58
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I dunno about you, but I show up to all my work meetings pantsless Works out fine
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Feb 22, 2021 08:16
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I'm 40 and work in tech, and hoo boy there's a dress code, particularly if you're not obviously in your 20s. Being mid 30s or above and giving off any hint that you're that old through your clothes is a great way to not get hired.
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Space Gopher posted:OK, sure, let's set aside the investors-and-C-levels side of things, and just talk about the engineering organizations. Ok? I'm on the east coast so it's not the same, but people interviewing in conservative business outfits for engineering jobs at my tech company absolutely happens. While I can't speak for other interviewers I'm not going to raise an eyebrow at someone deciding that it's better to come over dressed than under, just in case. It's been the same for everywhere I've worked. Regional differences? 
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Space Gopher posted:The techbro dress code is emphatically not just "wear clothes." Just like every other human endeavor, clothes are used to communicate who's part of the in-group and who's part of the out-group, and used by people to flex on each other. Like you said, in-groups and out-groups. When I worked in Massachusetts in the '80s, wearing a suit to work was a sure sign you were interviewing somewhere else. In California, wearing a suit to an interview would cause immediate dislike. e: I once genuinely failed a job interview (with a very high-profile guy) because I ordered the wrong hamburger. What can I say, I like plain hamburgers with pickles. "Not adventurous enough." Arsenic Lupin fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Feb 22, 2021 |
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Space Gopher posted:OK, sure, let's set aside the investors-and-C-levels side of things, and just talk about the engineering organizations. He shows up to work in dress shirts still - in San Francisco! The horror! Edit: Sorry Corona brain, late 2019 Less Fat Luke fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Feb 22, 2021 |
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Feb 22, 2021 17:25
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Volmarias posted:Ok? I'm on the east coast so it's not the same, but people interviewing in conservative business outfits for engineering jobs at my tech company absolutely happens. While I can't speak for other interviewers I'm not going to raise an eyebrow at someone deciding that it's better to come over dressed than under, just in case. It's been the same for everywhere I've worked. Yes, ot's a very obvious regional difference. I live on the east coast and have spent the last couple of decades working for bay area companies. You can tell who works on which coast at conferences just by how they're dressed. Wearing a suit to work in west coast tech means you're the company legal council or you have a funeral to attend that day.
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Less Fat Luke posted:we're not gatekeeping children I don't mean to pick on you for this, but I don't think the reasons for assigning someone to an in-group or out-group based on clothing are so explicit and surface level that it's completely fair to call people children for doing it. The clothes someone wears is going to add a ton of subconscious bias for or against the person, and thinking that the baseline behaviour for people is to be not biased unless you explicitly think "I won't hire people in suits" is the wrong way to go about it - you really do need to make a conscious effort to work against your preconceived notions and biases. It's similar to the argument you hear a lot in tech hiring that a company's hiring processes are fair and not discriminatory because no one has explicitly said "let's not hire her because she's a woman" (or whatever underrepresented group you want to include here).
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Arsenic Lupin posted:
Yeah that sounds like a bullet dodged TBH. Hiring staff for their "adventurousness" sounds like a prelude to a whole lot of sexual harassment.
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Yeah, dick waving contests just for the food you pick isn't a good sign
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