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loquacius
Oct 21, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!

Rand alPaul posted:

I never knew Hillary claimed she was named after a mountain climber. :lol:

I honestly think it's a dumb thing to hold against her. I also thought I was named after something I wasn't for a while before finding out the dates didn't match up

(character from a TV show that actually premiered when I was 4 months old)

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docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

loquacius posted:

Everyone remember this quote for when you are inevitably told it doesn't exist

I cannot believe that Hillary's attackers would go so far as to falsify things she is supposed to have said and, in 2017, completely fabricate a book she absolutely did not write.

- Peter Daou in 2020, probably.

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
I think I'd have a more favorable opinion of her if her name was Norgay Clinton

Streak
May 16, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo
I tried to take Hillary out in Bosnia but she was duckin my shots like a pro

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Streak posted:

I tried to take Hillary out in Bosnia but she was duckin my shots like a pro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijk4j-r7qPA

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Rand alPaul posted:

I never knew Hillary claimed she was named after a mountain climber. :lol:

I wanna say it first came up during the 2008 primary?

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

comedyblissoption posted:

the optimistic hope is that the fundamental democratic arrangement of worker co-ops is so appealing to people that a traditional corporate hierarchy actively repels workers

My feeling is that the only way to create long-term positive change is to somehow bring up an entire generation with socialist ideology and enforce the teaching of said ideology in the future.

This may sound kinda dystopian or something, and in a way it is, but I feel like it's the only way to avoid the inevitable problem of "once people become more comfortable and economically secure, they will inevitably start to support dismantling social programs." There needs to be something in place ensuring that socialism is treated as the "common sense" view and capitalism remains demonized in the same way socialism was during the mid to late 20th century.

Tiler Kiwi
Feb 26, 2011

Ytlaya posted:

My feeling is that the only way to create long-term positive change is to somehow bring up an entire generation with socialist ideology and enforce the teaching of said ideology in the future.

This may sound kinda dystopian or something, and in a way it is, but I feel like it's the only way to avoid the inevitable problem of "once people become more comfortable and economically secure, they will inevitably start to support dismantling social programs." There needs to be something in place ensuring that socialism is treated as the "common sense" view and capitalism remains demonized in the same way socialism was during the mid to late 20th century.

my half joke solution is an unrepealable law that any person who has a net worth of at least a hundred times greater than another, may be legally robbed by them. this would give the wealthy a very powerful incentive not to be assholes.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Tiler Kiwi posted:

my half joke solution is an unrepealable law that any person who has a net worth of at least a hundred times greater than another, may be legally robbed by them. this would give the wealthy a very powerful incentive not to be assholes.

So your "solution" is to create something like the purge where rich people get to hunt poor people for sport after crafting a Deer Blind but for poor people?

A better idea is to just create a system of progressive taxation so that the individual poor person, who certainly doesn't have the resources to actually steal from a rich person's fortress, will have the government work on their behalf.

ate shit on live tv has issued a correction as of 22:20 on Sep 17, 2017

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

So your "solution" is to create something like the purge where rich people get to hunt poor people for sport after crafting a Deer Blind but for poor people?

No that would be murder under the system he's proposing.

Tiler Kiwi
Feb 26, 2011
they get military hardware to assist their robbery if needed, on a low interest government loan

uncle sam needs to get his cut somewhere

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Tiler Kiwi posted:

they get military hardware to assist their robbery if needed, on a low interest government loan

uncle sam needs to get his cut somewhere

Why not cut out the middleman, and just have a government agent collect the tax while fully supported by the government to ensure that everyone has paid their taxes properly?

(this is actually what happens if you refuse to pay taxes.)

Jeb! Repetition posted:

No that would be murder under the system he's proposing.

Oh in that case it would surely work.

Tiler Kiwi
Feb 26, 2011
because that's boring u gently caress

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth
Not if the tax is 100% and punishment for not paying it is public guillotining.

Tiler Kiwi
Feb 26, 2011
thunderdome or bust

ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar
:psyboom:

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

(this is actually what happens if you refuse to pay taxes.)

I think you'll find that what happens if you refuse to pay taxes* is that people subvert national governments and destroy other social services in aid of passing laws saying you don't have to.

___
*If you're extremely rich.

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy

Ytlaya posted:

My feeling is that the only way to create long-term positive change is to somehow bring up an entire generation with socialist ideology and enforce the teaching of said ideology in the future.

This may sound kinda dystopian or something, and in a way it is, but I feel like it's the only way to avoid the inevitable problem of "once people become more comfortable and economically secure, they will inevitably start to support dismantling social programs." There needs to be something in place ensuring that socialism is treated as the "common sense" view and capitalism remains demonized in the same way socialism was during the mid to late 20th century.
This is dumb

call to action
Jun 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
Somebody needs to learn about the dialectic

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
Social values are shaped by the practical concerns of running society, and the fundamental structure of the base, by which society reproduces itself. Assuming you've actually achieved socialism, the ruling ideology will naturally reflect that process of production.

MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!

Ytlaya posted:

My feeling is that the only way to create long-term positive change is to somehow bring up an entire generation with socialist ideology and enforce the teaching of said ideology in the future.

This may sound kinda dystopian or something, and in a way it is, but I feel like it's the only way to avoid the inevitable problem of "once people become more comfortable and economically secure, they will inevitably start to support dismantling social programs." There needs to be something in place ensuring that socialism is treated as the "common sense" view and capitalism remains demonized in the same way socialism was during the mid to late 20th century.

I have some good news for your theory, people are getting less comfortable and economically secure! :(

ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar

safely sodomized posted:

I love to consumed the Lay's Brand Potato Chips, luckily each one contains an average of 13.4 calories each so I can sustain at least 12 individual units before exceeding my recommended caloric intake for afternoon "snack". One of the subordinates said that it prefers Frito-Lay's Dorito Product, and for that it was unfortunately retired. Later on that day advisor Robbie Mook's Algorithm began to hum loudly...
:same:

byob historian
Nov 5, 2008

I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!

MaxxBot posted:

I have some good news for your theory, people are getting less comfortable and economically secure! :(

economic security is one of those things that i aint seen since i figured out what the words mean lololol

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
if any good comes from clinton's ultimate failure, it's bringing attention to the desperately mentally ill

https://twitter.com/JenKirkman/status/909458751584739331

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Streak posted:

I tried to take Hillary out in Bosnia but she was duckin my shots like a pro

would have been easier for you if you knew she would always run to the right

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer
is this for real???

Streak
May 16, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo
she does occasionally move slightly left before moving back to the right tho

galenanorth
May 19, 2016


In retrospect, her agreement that there should be a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United v. FEC makes it weirder that she brought out "name one time I changed my vote" as if that were the problem with the money she received, and not that she was helped by the tide of billionaire influence like the rest of the people she decreed in this article. There's an implicit "of course, I am the exception".

tower time
Jul 30, 2008




TFW your Bosnia comments get called out by Sindbad

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 15 days!)

Jazerus posted:

the mid-century middle class was literally formed by government fiat after the war

My grandpa on my mom's side drove trucks in Korea, and the GI Bill made him an engineer working on oil rigs in Indonesia. My dad's dad was going to serve combat duty right before the armistice was signed, and he became an electrician after being the first person in a long line of Mississippi dirt farmers who went to college.

Rand alPaul
Feb 3, 2010

by Nyc_Tattoo

galenanorth posted:

In retrospect, her agreement that there should be a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United v. FEC makes it weirder that she brought out "name one time I changed my vote" as if that were the problem with the money she received, and not that she was helped by the tide of billionaire influence like the rest of the people she decreed in this article. There's an implicit "of course, I am the exception".

Yeah it's only the Republicans that are bad and bought, all Democrats are pure and noble and just take money because the other side does and Hamilton and whatever other stupid loving reason they give. I remember people literally saying this during 2008 when it was pointed out that Obama was selling himself to Wall Street.

Rand alPaul has issued a correction as of 01:35 on Sep 18, 2017

Streak
May 16, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo

galenanorth posted:

In retrospect, her agreement that there should be a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United v. FEC makes it weirder that she brought out "name one time I changed my vote" as if that were the problem with the money she received, and not that she was helped by the tide of billionaire influence like the rest of the people she decreed in this article. There's an implicit "of course, I am the exception".

the obvious answer is "you don't change your votes because your votes are lovely from the get go because you're a neoliberal piece of poo poo"

byob historian
Nov 5, 2008

I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!

The Muppets On PCP posted:

if any good comes from clinton's ultimate failure, it's bringing attention to the desperately mentally ill

https://twitter.com/JenKirkman/status/909458751584739331

im desparate and mentally ill :argh:

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

The Muppets On PCP posted:

if any good comes from clinton's ultimate failure, it's bringing attention to the desperately mentally ill

https://twitter.com/JenKirkman/status/909458751584739331

why are there 65 or more of these tweets

I said, knowing that my words were consumed in the infinite crushing maw of the suck zone

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 15 days!)

Weeping Wound posted:

why are there 65 or more of these tweets

I said, knowing that my words were consumed in the infinite crushing maw of the suck zone

paranoia makes you do a lot of crazy poo poo out of sheer desperation. everything you think you have to say suddenly takes on a vital life or death urgency.

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

Weeping Wound posted:

why are there 65 or more of these tweets

I said, knowing that my words were consumed in the infinite crushing maw of the suck zone

im legitimately too scared to check and see how many more there are

byob historian
Nov 5, 2008

I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

paranoia makes you do a lot of crazy poo poo out of sheer desperation. everything you think you have to say suddenly takes on a vital life or death urgency.

wth kinda weed u been smokin sounds soft to me

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ3j5jp5IoY

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 23:50 on Sep 17, 2017

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 15 days!)

mrbradlymrmartin posted:

wth kinda weed u been smokin sounds soft to me

The temporary paranoia you get from smoking weed isn't quite like a persistent psychosis.

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punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

Corky Romanovsky posted:

Is that the one with the torturer that is really loving boring and pointless?

I'm two chapters in and so far it involves some prisoner who was once a sheriff climbing stairs.

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