qirex posted:

you can airplay to them so I still have a working setup via roon [minus alarms] but the apps are necessary to configure them, or in this case to forget how to access a shared folder without informing users in advance that they stopped caring about local libraries entirely

the ceo’s attitude of “we’re doing great stuff, sorry you’re too dumb to appreciate it” smacks of him getting personally involved in a lot of these important product decisions and people inside the company have probably been telling him this would happen for at least a year so he was already sick of hearing it before the public got involved

Beeftweeter posted:

while i completely agree with this, those technologies were basically pre web browser though, or at least existed alongside them

by "post web browser" i thought you meant the proliferation of apps essentially replacing websites, even though those apps are generally just websites anyway. but at first smartphones weren't powerful enough to do even that, so apps were, well, apps, and that was fine. but then things started trending in the "just package up the website with native controls/different css" direction, which is where i'd say things started turning "sour"

now we're basically just packaging up websites in a wrapper and calling it an app (while actual websites get neglected or degraded), so what we've got now is worse, imo. you could say it's gone from sour to rancid

Beeftweeter posted:

configure how, though? like, "play x in y room" or, like, "matrix this stereo track into multichannel"?

the whole thing is kind of baffling to me, lol. i mean, every kinda-smart speaker i have at least allows you to directly connect to it via bluetooth. i don't have anything made within the past ~5 years, so airplay has to be via some connection to another device (tv via spdif or hdmi, usually), but even that means you can use a plethora of options as your source (synced music, VLC, yt-dlp, even more if you're talking macos and not just ios, etc.)

but yeah that definitely stinks of the CEO getting their dirty, gross fingers in the pie

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

well *i* think things were actually only good and cool before whatever period beeftweeter is describing. that johnny-come-lately fool!

nah. 2007 was a good year. late 90s is easier to idolize as there was a plausible illusion of things strictly improving (the fukuyama poo poo seeming an actual take then), but prior to the financial crisis the internet and the world seemed quite promising still. notably that is then before social media had any real significance

i remain (somewhat apologetically) thrilled that llm's is poisoning a lot of the most recent era of the internet. like google search and facebook will have to change. for the worse possibly, but, whatever, i am quite done with whatever this is.

qirex posted:

they had a habit of stepping on their dicks occasionally [the whole thing where they were offering to brick old devices in exchange for an upgrade discount was surprisingly bad but they backtracked]. I get the feeling that they're somehow dissatisfied with being the most successful independent home audio company of the last 20 years and they think they should be worth a trillion or something. people liked them because they were boring, they are also deep in the home installer market which is why folks with 20 zones in their giant mansions got a little huffy when the company they'd bought thousands of dollars of products from told them they'd have to segregate their network by the ages of the devices, exclusively for the benefit of sonos the company. it just seems like every few years they try to write off their tech debt not understanding that the piles of cash people have given them over the last two decades is the only reason they still exist

I don't think they intentionally crippled local music playback but they obviously made a bunch of changes to their whole stack with a priority on streaming and suporting these new headphones and didn't give users any warning they were doing this and didn't test it properly. I thought it might have been for the recent munich high end audio show but they didn't show anything there so I suspect they have an entirely internal drop dead date which, if poo poo isn't ready, is exactly the kind of thing an idiot ceo will insist on.

qirex posted:

I get the feeling that they're somehow dissatisfied with being the most successful independent home audio company of the last 20 years and they think they should be worth a trillion or something.

Jonny 290 posted:

atomicthumbs showed the world the real sonos and nobody listened

Jonny 290 posted:

atomicthumbs showed the world the real sonos and nobody listened

Internet Janitor posted:

i've been nursing a pet theory for some time that a huge part of the psychotic llm boom comes down to cloud vendors responding to customers starting to wise up to the cloud being an expensive, unreliable, and insecure scam, and the trend i have observed of companies trying to move their conventional workloads back in-house over the past few years

every huge company that has invested in the physical infrastructure and business of cloud hosting- google, amazon, microsoft- needs to find something, anything for that hardware to be doing. executing and training llms sits in a wonderful sweet spot of consuming lots of compute, ram, and storage, and having the same inherent tolerance for failure, spiky workloads, and embarrassing parallelism the clouds were built for in the first place. like all SaaS products llms allow the operators to keep the (largely stolen) secret sauce of their models locked away from competitors, and the only crucial strategic challenge is securing streams of usable training data for new models, which is becoming harder as the open web falls apart

azure/aws/gcloud have made their respective investments in llm and gann purveyors not necessarily because they believe any of those ideas will pan out in their own right, but because they provide a stream of tasks to keep all the server farms warm. microsoft can run openai stuff without charging themselves a premium to use their own infrastructure, while all the smaller fish who buy into the trend pay through the nose. meanwhile, the fact that huge important players like microsoft appear to have gone all-in on this technology provides a veneer of legitimacy to the trend.

facebook- the biggest player in this area which doesn't sell cloud services- has laser-targeted small llms that can be self-hosted, which seems like primarily an attempt to undermine cloud vendors, shortening the amount of time they have to enjoy something resembling exclusivity

google's stadia might even fit into this narrative, as an abortive alternative strategy for filling idle cloud servers before llm and gann workloads became more popular

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

i remain (somewhat apologetically) thrilled that llm's is poisoning a lot of the most recent era of the internet. like google search and facebook will have to change. for the worse possibly, but, whatever, i am quite done with whatever this is.

Internet Janitor posted:

i've been nursing a pet theory for some time that a huge part of the psychotic llm boom comes down to cloud vendors responding to customers starting to wise up to the cloud being an expensive, unreliable, and insecure scam, and the trend i have observed of companies trying to move their conventional workloads back in-house over the past few years

every huge company that has invested in the physical infrastructure and business of cloud hosting- google, amazon, microsoft- needs to find something, anything for that hardware to be doing. executing and training llms sits in a wonderful sweet spot of consuming lots of compute, ram, and storage, and having the same inherent tolerance for failure, spiky workloads, and embarrassing parallelism the clouds were built for in the first place. like all SaaS products llms allow the operators to keep the (largely stolen) secret sauce of their models locked away from competitors, and the only crucial strategic challenge is securing streams of usable training data for new models, which is becoming harder as the open web falls apart

azure/aws/gcloud have made their respective investments in llm and gann purveyors not necessarily because they believe any of those ideas will pan out in their own right, but because they provide a stream of tasks to keep all the server farms warm. microsoft can run openai stuff without charging themselves a premium to use their own infrastructure, while all the smaller fish who buy into the trend pay through the nose. meanwhile, the fact that huge important players like microsoft appear to have gone all-in on this technology provides a veneer of legitimacy to the trend.

facebook- the biggest player in this area which doesn't sell cloud services- has laser-targeted small llms that can be self-hosted, which seems like primarily an attempt to undermine cloud vendors, shortening the amount of time they have to enjoy something resembling exclusivity

google's stadia might even fit into this narrative, as an abortive alternative strategy for filling idle cloud servers before llm and gann workloads became more popular

Internet Janitor posted:

i'm not saying they're using it just to fill empty space, they're using it as a justification to continue expanding capacity while more conventional workloads taper off; they didn't initiate the hype wave, but they're using their clout to amplify it and help manufacture demand for very profitable cloud compute

mystes posted:

The overlap between "major cloud computing providers" and "companies pouring lot of resources into creating llms" is basically just google and microsoft so what you're saying can only be true if 1) google and microsoft are the primary companies driving the "psychotic llm boom" and 2) they are doing so because they have spare computing power.

However, I think openai and other companies using its api have done far more to create the current llm boom, and google and microsoft seem to be trying to catch up because they see themselves behind on something big, which is extremely typical behavior for them, so I'm not convinced that the llm boom is being driven by a desire to make use of spare cloud computing power

Expo70 posted:

insipid Expo70 commentary:

50 years from now people will shift around uncomfortably when you bring this up because half of the people present will have some variation of this and that there's a mental health crisis specifically created by this, with swarths of people dealing with cPTSD created by TOS updates and cloudflare outages

100 years from now this will be viewed as one of the prior steps that bridged the weird social patterning of fursonas, vtubers and alternate models of society where we begin moving towards post-body, or we start giving non-anthropomorphic entities like forests and fungus ways of socially communicating with us, using the monstergirl phenomenon to pick up the slack and normalize other ways of being where xenofiction failed.

150 years from now it'll be discussed as the beginning of using self-elective eugenics on the emotionally vulnerable and socially isolated, to punish anybody who couldn't make enough money to breakeven and have a social life before the collapse of capitalism

200 years from now everybody will finally catch up with yospos and agree that this was cringe all along and apologize to the forests and funguses for attempting to waifu them because society has finally found another way to try and get everybody to like ohio despite the fact everybody wants to leave ohio, and the psyop of using robots shaped like children's cartoon drawings which gleefully shout "ohio" didn't cut it.

are you ready for the future, yospos?

goblin week posted:

gently caress off winnie the pooh is NOT xenofiction

Shame Boy posted:

are you saying winnie the pooh used to be a normal human dude that got turned into a pooh

Shame Boy posted:

are you saying winnie the pooh used to be a normal human dude that got turned into a pooh

Internet Janitor posted:

they're using it as a justification to continue expanding capacity while more conventional workloads taper off

Qtotonibudinibudet posted:

are you saying he's not

the soviets cast their stereotypical working class alcoholic bloke actor as winnie the pooh for a reason

quote:

Being a home automation nerd, and thereby a Home Assistant enthusiast,

koolkal posted:

this is like that finance blogger or whatever getting scammed

Shame Boy posted:

that reminds me, i remember my ukranian boss at my first job being genuinely amazed and baffled that I (or any american, for that matter) had seen soviet winnie the pooh

shackleford posted:

rotor posted:

i dont do my taxes

qirex posted:

pm me your tax person because I am at my limit of complexity as a civilian

Sapozhnik posted:

i do my own but gently caress giving hr block et al money to fix a problem they bribed congress to create in the first place

qirex posted:

the secret was to leave before the “ick pit” formed