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Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

redleader posted:

i felt bad for the guy who had to go and write integration tests for that

i heard that he needed to use an awful lot of Thread.Sleeps

awww yeah, asynchronous operations that take wildly variable time to complete depending on machine load are extremely my poo poo.

we have tests that fail during the day and usually do not during nightly builds

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Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

*asynchronous objects that are treated as synchronous by using sleeping/timeouts

# ? Aug 24, 2016 13:12

~Coxy: Dec 9, 2003; R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD

redleader posted:

i felt bad for the guy who had to go and write integration tests for that

i heard that he needed to use an awful lot of Thread.Sleeps

we have unit (integration) test methods that have

code:

sut.DoThing();

if (Debugger.IsAttached)
{
	Thread.Sleep(1000000000);
}
else
{
	Thread.Sleep(15 * 1000);
}

Assert.IsTrue(CheckResult());

so that you can debug them without the test runner finishing

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# ? Aug 24, 2016 13:21

Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

hobbesmaster posted:

normally I would agree with all this but luigi30 is creating basic libraries for ancient architectures for fun

in which case: do some stuff with the cstring functions since you're doing it for the hell of it. then look at what you'd need to do for a proper Unicode library like Qt's qstring and run screaming back to your dos renderer

hey I added a speed control for the player to it so technically you can fly around objects in space

there's just no other game parts to it or anything atm

# ? Aug 24, 2016 13:27

qntm: Jun 17, 2009

Wheany posted:

we have tests that fail during the day and usually do not during nightly builds

we had a test once which only failed on Sundays

# ? Aug 24, 2016 13:46

quiggy: Aug 7, 2010; [in Russian] Oof.

Wheany posted:

# ? Aug 24, 2016 13:49

MononcQc: May 29, 2007

For async tests, the thing I tend to do is wrap some operations in a general function:

code:

wait_for(F, MaxTime) ->
    case F() of
        {ok, Res} ->
            Res;
        {error, _} when MaxTime > 0 ->
            timer:sleep(50), % milliseconds
            wait_for(F, MaxTime-50);
        {error, _} ->
            throw(timeout)
    end.

So if the long-standing thing is calling an API, just wrap it in a function and go for it:

code:

...
Args = my_api:async_call(),
X = wait_for(fun() -> my_api:poll_for_results(Args) end, timer:seconds(15)),
some_other_op(X),
...

It's generally really lovely to just sleep a long unknown period of time because tests take way too long when things go right, and the occasional slow bit is there too. I haven't found a nicer pattern than 'repeated short polls that shortcircuit early, with tolerance with the occasional long run that fails when the wait is unacceptable'

# ? Aug 24, 2016 14:23

raminasi: Jan 25, 2005; a last drink with no ice

qntm posted:

we had a test once which only failed on Sundays

appropriate imo, shouldn't be running tests on the day of the lord

# ? Aug 24, 2016 15:24

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

oh man, php bit my rear end hard today, maybe static typing would've saved me

but I'll blame the exception/error/whatever not being properly raised when I ran the drat thing

# ? Aug 24, 2016 15:27

The MUMPSorceress: Jan 6, 2012; ^SHTPSTS; Gary’s Answer

jesus christ, our test engineer is terrible. his unit tests fail intermittently in the isolation development environment i'm using. at first i thought id just hosed up some code, so i dug into the tests to see where i was loving up.

turns out im fine, and his tests are just heavily dependent on event/job queues firing off stuff in the correct order which is unlikely in an isolation environment since they run on fairly low power virtual servers and the queues get throttled down pretty hard.

# ? Aug 24, 2016 15:49

DaTroof: Nov 16, 2000; CC LIMERICK CONTEST GRAND CHAMPION
There once was a poster named Troof
Who was getting quite long in the toof

Wheany posted:

awww yeah, asynchronous operations that take wildly variable time to complete depending on machine load are extremely my poo poo.

we have tests that fail during the day and usually do not during nightly builds

i'm dealing with this on a library that communicates with a 3rd-party api over raw tcp. we have to buffer the output stream and parse it for well-formed xml until it stops throwing exceptions. sometimes a 30-second timeout isn't long enough

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DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

NihilCredo posted:

mods

mods!!!

# ? Aug 24, 2016 15:57

The MUMPSorceress: Jan 6, 2012; ^SHTPSTS; Gary’s Answer

MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

mods

mods!!!

wait, wait, wait.... i always pronounce it like "cares". people have been saying it like "ch-are"?

# ? Aug 24, 2016 16:17

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

wait, wait, wait.... i always pronounce it like "cares". people have been saying it like "ch-are"?

yours is correct i think but i say chars like 'car'

# ? Aug 24, 2016 16:23

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

if gif is really 'gif' then it's a free for all imo

# ? Aug 24, 2016 16:24

gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

wait, wait, wait.... i always pronounce it like "cares". people have been saying it like "ch-are"?

Everybody I've ever heard says it like ch-are, but then those people (and myself) are all British so take it with a pinch of salt

# ? Aug 24, 2016 16:28

The MUMPSorceress: Jan 6, 2012; ^SHTPSTS; Gary’s Answer

ya, it's just that char is clearly short for character which is clearly pronounced "care-ick-tur". unless you got some kind a crazy fake tv british accent or some poo poo.

# ? Aug 24, 2016 16:32

Dj Meow Mix: Jan 27, 2009; corgicorgicorgicorgi
rockin everywhere

MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

if gif is really 'gif' then it's a free for all imo

hell yeah, time to spell out char every single time just like i do for gif

# ? Aug 24, 2016 16:34

NihilCredo: Jun 6, 2011; iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

i pronounce it ch-ar because if you're manually handling individual chars you'll probably get burned

# ? Aug 24, 2016 16:40

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

Dj Meow Mix posted:

hell yeah, time to spell out char every single time just like i do for gif

oh hey you're alive!

how's it going? ?

# ? Aug 24, 2016 16:41

Dj Meow Mix: Jan 27, 2009; corgicorgicorgicorgi
rockin everywhere

MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

oh hey you're alive!

how's it going? ?

i'm ok! i took a break from sa because of work stuff but i think ive got my poo poo together now. we should do dinner again sometime

# ? Aug 24, 2016 16:43

gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

NihilCredo posted:

i pronounce it ch-ar because if you're manually handling individual chars you'll probably get burned

Unlike gif/jif, char is an existing word with an existing pronunciation

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HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

I've heard "care", "car", and "char", but most people say "char" in my experience. (also people saying "care" weirds me out)

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hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

NihilCredo posted:

i pronounce it ch-ar because if you're manually handling individual chars you'll probably get burned

# ? Aug 24, 2016 17:40

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

i pronounce it "grapheme cluster"

# ? Aug 24, 2016 17:54

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

Dj Meow Mix posted:

i'm ok! i took a break from sa because of work stuff but i think ive got my poo poo together now. we should do dinner again sometime

yeah i live in raleigh now so we could finally check out sushi burger or whatever!

# ? Aug 24, 2016 18:05

VikingofRock: Aug 24, 2008

I prefer to pronounce it like 'car' because that's the easiest/quickest to say IMO, and everyone knows what I'm talking about anyways so who cares how I pronounce it.

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raminasi: Jan 25, 2005; a last drink with no ice

i say 'car' but just now realized that that's weird

# ? Aug 24, 2016 18:12

VikingofRock: Aug 24, 2008

Wheany posted:

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# ? Aug 24, 2016 18:13

CPColin: Sep 9, 2003; Big ol' smile.

VikingofRock posted:

who chars how I pronounce it.

I was helping somebody with her "C and Unix" class project and kept wondering why the directory she was in was called "myLib." Apparently her professor pronounced "lib" like the first syllable of "library" like a weirdo.

I wonder if he also said "etsy" when referring to /etc

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