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caiman posted:So I just had the Harmless Offering + Demonic Pact played against me twice flawlessly. There is absolutely NOTHING my RDW deck can do against it other than go full steam and get lucky. Buddy and I have been working on a comedy build around this combo. It's seriously fun to play, but I think it's too fragile of a combo to be a major competitive deck
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Hellsau posted:If you RDW deck can't win before turn 7 I suspect you shouldn't expect to beat most decks. the gaining 4 life and drawing 2 cards, as well as I assume a general removal/defensive creature set up is probably not making it easier RB got way more instant speed removal with emn, so any standard rdw deck is likely going to have trouble.
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Jul 25, 2016 19:12
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Dromoka's Command is the biggest problem with the strategy.
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Jul 25, 2016 19:15
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Dromoka's Command is the biggest problem with
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Jul 25, 2016 19:18
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I want to run harmless/pact in modern so badly, even though I know it's just straight worse than regular grixis control.
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Jul 25, 2016 19:20
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the U/W spirit deck seems pretty aight, but then again I feel like eventually it will become Spirits with CoCo as a splash rather then anything slightly unique
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Jul 25, 2016 19:21
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caiman posted:So I just had the Harmless Offering + Demonic Pact played against me twice flawlessly. There is absolutely NOTHING my RDW deck can do against it other than go full steam and get lucky. Not to belabor the point, but if they're spending their whole fourth turn to cast an enchantment that doesn't affect the board until their next upkeep things should be pretty well in your favor. Kill a creature + gain 4 is kind of a beating, but every other mode is probably marginal at best in an aggro match since they should be nearly dead by the time they're casting it. Gensuki posted:the gaining 4 life and drawing 2 cards, as well as I assume a general removal/defensive creature set up is probably not making it easier RB got way more instant speed removal with emn, so any standard rdw deck is likely going to have trouble. It's definitely slow enough to get beaten down by an aggro deck. The issue is probably more that the best RDW deck in the format uses plains. mandatory lesbian posted:the U/W spirit deck seems pretty aight, but then again I feel like eventually it will become Spirits with CoCo as a splash rather then anything slightly unique I want to try a non-tribal UW Tempo deck. T3 Reflector Mage into T4 use the Reflector Mage to emerge Elder Deep-Fiend on your upkeep sounds absolutely brutal, and resolving any generic 2/1 flying spirit on T2 probably means you're going to have been getting in a fair bit of headway into their life total while untapping with 5 mana and a 5/6 vs probably an empty board. This is going to be a bad, bad standard for playing things on your own main phase. Voyager I fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Jul 25, 2016 |
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Jul 25, 2016 19:23
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Voyager I posted:This is going to be a bad, bad standard for playing things on your own main phase. Wotc somehow took the worst of old spell based decks and lovingly combined it with modern uber-pushed creature strategies to create a format everyone can hate! 
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Jul 25, 2016 19:42
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Voyager I posted:Not to belabor the point, but if they're spending their whole fourth turn to cast an enchantment that doesn't affect the board until their next upkeep things should be pretty well in your favor. Kill a creature + gain 4 is kind of a beating, but every other mode is probably marginal at best in an aggro match since they should be nearly dead by the time they're casting it. The demise of cards like Gideon, Nissa and Sylvan Advocate has been greatly overstated. Playing stuff like those cards or Ishkanah is always going to be good in any standard format.
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Jul 25, 2016 19:46
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Dromoka's Command is the biggest problem with the strategy. Right now Standard has access to two different 2-card kill combos (Offerings/Pact, Trisdek/Tree), and Dark Petition, along with disruption, a four mana sweeper and some generally cheap removal. I'm surprised I haven't heard rumblings of a B/R Control Combo deck popping up over the past couple weeks - unless I've not been looking hard enough. Feels like the list kinda builds itself, aside from what you can shave in order to accommodate your Petitions.
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Jul 25, 2016 20:20
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an_mutt posted:I've been giving this a consideration myself within a Red/Black control shell, and I assume Oath of Chandras will do well enough to protect your combo pieces from a Dromoka's Command or two. Michael Majors played around with a rough outline of such a deck. http://www.starcitygames.com/article/33294_Ross-VS-Majors-.html
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Jul 25, 2016 20:47
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Voyager I posted:It's definitely slow enough to get beaten down by an aggro deck. The issue is probably more that the best RDW deck in the format uses plains. your claim that a swarm, anthem-heavy aggro deck is anything like any build of monored that has ever existed is really weird and a ridiculous oversimplification of aggro
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Jul 25, 2016 20:56
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Demonic Pact saw some play when it had a much lower upside in Origins superstandard, I can imagine it being a deck.
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Jul 25, 2016 21:19
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Walked posted:Buddy and I have been working on a comedy build around this combo. It's seriously fun to play, but I think it's too fragile of a combo to be a major competitive deck I bet you're praying the RWUB Legendary Creature in Commander 2016 is going to literally be Zedruu but also black.
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Jul 25, 2016 21:39
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Elyv posted:your claim that a swarm, anthem-heavy aggro deck is anything like any build of monored that has ever existed is really weird and a ridiculous oversimplification of aggro ...that's literally what Atarka Red was though.
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Jul 25, 2016 21:41
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mandatory lesbian posted:the U/W spirit deck seems pretty aight, but then again I feel like eventually it will become Spirits with CoCo as a splash rather then anything slightly unique That's how I play it and its very good. It plays basically identically without any of the reactive non-creature spells that aren't really necessary since your opponent never wants to cast anything into Spell Queller mana to begin with. I don't know that I'd commit to saying its better than straight UW though. If you play Elder Deep-Fried the UW deck does a pretty good approximation of Faeries complete with fake-Mistbind.
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Jul 25, 2016 21:45
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suicidesteve posted:...that's literally what Atarka Red was though. Atarka Red wasn't anthem-heavy and also isn't really rdw imo. Zoo, for example, is, if I'm going to be spergy.
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Jul 25, 2016 21:47
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Angry Grimace posted:That's how I play it and its very good. It plays basically identically without any of the reactive non-creature spells that aren't really necessary since your opponent never wants to cast anything into Spell Queller mana to begin with. Before the end of this standard someone is going to on camera Spell Queller into an Elder Deep-Fried and it is going to be exactly as ridiculous as it sounds
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Jul 25, 2016 22:47
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Angry Grimace posted:That's how I play it and its very good. It plays basically identically without any of the reactive non-creature spells that aren't really necessary since your opponent never wants to cast anything into Spell Queller mana to begin with. elder fiend seems so good but you don't really wanna sac queller to it :p i think it has a place somewhere, turn 4 or 5 upkeep tap all your opponent's land is really good
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Jul 25, 2016 23:26
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one thing i'm pretty sure of is that deep fiend gets better once coco isn't around to flip reflectir mage on it in response to the trigger just like a lot of things get better without coco around
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Jul 25, 2016 23:29
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mandatory lesbian posted:one thing i'm pretty sure of is that deep fiend gets better once coco isn't around to flip reflectir mage on it in response to the trigger Deep Fiend has a cast trigger.
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Jul 25, 2016 23:30
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Hellsau posted:Deep Fiend has a cast trigger. i'm on my phone , forgive me for thinking people are smart enough to figure out i mean to float the mana and then wait for it to resolve so i wouldn 't have to type allthat but i guess that's too much to ask so here we are
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Jul 25, 2016 23:35
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mandatory lesbian posted:elder fiend seems so good but you don't really wanna sac queller to it :p No, he's talking about saccing Queller for Deep-Fried's cast while Queller's ETB effect is still on the stack. Queller has the old O-ring wording and not the new Banishing Light templating.
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Jul 25, 2016 23:37
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When the control deck has 7 mana I expect it to do mean things.
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Jul 25, 2016 23:50
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AlternateNu posted:No, he's talking about saccing Queller for Deep-Fried's cast while Queller's ETB effect is still on the stack. Queller has the old O-ring wording and not the new Banishing Light templating. In case anyone is confused: you can stack the leaves the battlefield "recast the exiled spell immediately" trigger on top of the "exile target spell" trigger, so they get the chance to recast a spell that isn't in exile, lose that chance, and then the spell gets exiled with no more corresponding recast trigger ever appearing.
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Jul 25, 2016 23:56
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mandatory lesbian posted:i'm on my phone , forgive me for thinking people are smart enough to figure out i mean to float the mana and then wait for it to resolve so i wouldn 't have to type allthat but i guess that's too much to ask so here we are Definitely don't respond to the trigger.
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Jul 26, 2016 00:00
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Haha, is SCG comment Nazi's on any of their free articles? I see people talking about Ali Antrazi being a deliberate cheater or not and twice I tried to post that link from in here where there was 4 or 5 different incidents but it keeps disappearing after a few minutes.
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Jul 26, 2016 01:09
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E: Beaten on my own point goddamn
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Jul 26, 2016 01:13
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80s James Hetfield posted:Haha, is SCG comment Nazi's on any of their free articles? I see people talking about Ali Antrazi being a deliberate cheater or not and twice I tried to post that link from in here where there was 4 or 5 different incidents but it keeps disappearing after a few minutes.
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Jul 26, 2016 01:23
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80s James Hetfield posted:Haha, is SCG comment Nazi's on any of their free articles? I see people talking about Ali Antrazi being a deliberate cheater or not and twice I tried to post that link from in here where there was 4 or 5 different incidents but it keeps disappearing after a few minutes. What's this? I'd love to show it to a friend who adores the guy for some reason.
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Jul 26, 2016 01:25
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Go back like, two pages
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80s James Hetfield posted:Haha, is SCG comment Nazi's on any of their free articles? I see people talking about Ali Antrazi being a deliberate cheater or not and twice I tried to post that link from in here where there was 4 or 5 different incidents but it keeps disappearing after a few minutes. I saw some guy posting on every article about it so they might be treating it like spam. There was a Reddit thread that was removed too apparently highlighting incidents that was automodded or something. Watching the videos that were posted earlier it does seem rather pattern-like to me, especially when watching the specific incidents out of context
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Jul 26, 2016 02:17
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You know, I think it would be interesting to do a statistical analysis of how "lucky" different players are. Do something like take all their on-camera games, and figure out how often they e.g. get the perfect topdeck immediately after shuffling as compared to how often you'd expect that to happen by random chance. There probably isn't enough of a sample size to get anything especially meaningful, but you never know.
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Jul 26, 2016 02:20
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Jabor posted:You know, I think it would be interesting to do a statistical analysis of how "lucky" different players are. Do something like take all their on-camera games, and figure out how often they e.g. get the perfect topdeck immediately after shuffling as compared to how often you'd expect that to happen by random chance. Call it the "Heart of the Cards" stat and make a new round of pro player profile cards.
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Jul 26, 2016 02:26
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I'd like to see how unlucky Tom Martell actually is. He's a great player, but whenever I see him on cam he either has a horrible match-up or poo poo draws. Like he manages to get paired with the most random brews with a deck that is tuned for the pro meta.
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Babylon Astronaut posted:I'd like to see how unlucky Tom Martell actually is. He's a great player, but whenever I see him on cam he either has a horrible match-up or poo poo draws. Like he manages to get paired with the most random brews with a deck that is tuned for the pro meta. Martell did crush it on camera during he WMCQ with amulet bloom a year and change ago. He lost 1 game the whole weekend and turn 2'd like half of his matches or something crazy like that. He must have used all his good luck up for that run
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Dehtraen posted:Martell did crush it on camera during he WMCQ with amulet bloom a year and change ago. He lost 1 game the whole weekend and turn 2'd like half of his matches or something crazy like that. He must have used all his good luck up for that run His PT Gatecrash run was pretty outstanding too.
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Jul 26, 2016 04:33
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Angry Grimace posted:That's how I play it and its very good. It plays basically identically without any of the reactive non-creature spells that aren't really necessary since your opponent never wants to cast anything into Spell Queller mana to begin with. CoCo decks usually get like 2x of something that isn't a Company target in addition to their DroCos. Mistbind Squid is probably a solid candidate for that slot (Reflector Mage and Bounding Krasis are both good Emerge fodder), especially for people who don't own Avacyn. Post-rotation, I'm definitely going to try some non-tribal UW Temp deck built around Reflector Mage, Spell Queller, and Deep-Fiend.
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Jul 26, 2016 04:42
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http://www.mtggoldfish.com/tournament/scg-modern-classic-columbus-2016-07-24#online 16 archetypes in the top 16 is neat.
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Silver2195 posted:http://www.mtggoldfish.com/tournament/scg-modern-classic-columbus-2016-07-24#online And missing a couple of more recognizable/popular archetypes as of late- no Infect, no Tron, no Dredge, no Suicide Zoo, no Delver (of any variety). All y'all complaining about how Standard only has two viable decks need to get the gently caress in with Modern. In the last two Modern events I've played locally I've only played against the same archetype on one occasion, and that was the same guy in both events. It's super diverse right now, it's a lot of fun. Wanna try that Esper Control list.
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