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Niton posted:Robo Rosewater created a thing today: It doesn't work because additional costs can't target. It would work if it said "destroy an artifact" but it would be weird (for example, you wouldn't be able to choose an indestructible artifact with it like you could with shatter).
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cheetah7071 posted:It doesn't work because additional costs can't target. It would work if it said "destroy an artifact" but it would be weird (for example, you wouldn't be able to choose an indestructible artifact with it like you could with shatter). There's no inherent rules reason additional costs can't target, it just hasn't ever been done. So long as you can pick a legal target for the additional cost the spell should be castable (indestructible or not). That said it would be really weird and super powerful.
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Jul 28, 2016 21:25
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Assuming that the additional cost works as worded, that's just an uncounterable "W: destroy target artifact", right?
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Jul 28, 2016 21:28
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C-Euro posted:Assuming that the additional cost works as worded, that's just an uncounterable "W: destroy target artifact", right? Not only is it uncounterable, I don't think it even passes priority.
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Jul 28, 2016 21:30
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C-Euro posted:Assuming that the additional cost works as worded, that's just an uncounterable "W: destroy target artifact", right? It's an un-respondable destroy target artifact. Imagine remanding your own copy 
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Jul 28, 2016 21:31
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Skyl3lazer posted:There's no inherent rules reason additional costs can't target, it just hasn't ever been done. So long as you can pick a legal target for the additional cost the spell should be castable (indestructible or not). That said it would be really weird and super powerful. So then you'd pick the artifact in step 3 (601.2c) and then destroy it in step 8 (601.2h) of casting a spell? I guess I don't see anything offhand that would prevent that. However, if you choose an indestructible target, everything will get rewound and the spell un-cast because you are incapable of paying the cost (an indestructible permanent that gets hit with a destroy effect is never actually destroyed, so the cost isn't paid). This means that the spell will never actually resolve, either, because in order to cast it, you have to destroy its target, thus causing it to be countered by the game's rules when it goes to resolve. cheetah7071 fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Jul 28, 2016 |
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Jul 28, 2016 21:33
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It is at this point that MTGO crashes to desktop
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Just pulled a pack to start back into mtg, got elder deep fried. What decks want that goober?
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Jul 28, 2016 23:56
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Salvor_Hardin posted:I really want to try and process some spells exiled with Spell Queller but excepting Wasteland Strangler there aren't really any good options. Also anything trying to do cute small-value interactions will probably just get rolled over by bant right now.  v
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Nomadic Scholar posted:Just pulled a pack to start back into mtg, got elder deep fried. What decks want that goober? There's an emerge deck out there. I don't know if it's more cute than good, but it looks fun.
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Jul 29, 2016 00:50
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Valuetown 3 drop into Elder Deep Fried as a 4 Drop into Eldritch Evolution 9 drop seems really fun
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Chill la Chill posted:I want a pro team to reenact the written test from naruto during the inevitable return to I hope they do a return to Kamigawa, but not tell anybody it's like actually was a return to Kamigawa until the set. Either some scheme like that or Phyrexia visits the Place is the only way we will see that plane again.
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Nomadic Scholar posted:Just pulled a pack to start back into mtg, got elder deep fried. What decks want that goober? If you're looking to get started ASAP there were some UR emerge lists that were floating around before eldritch moon dropped. But I would wait before going into any decks if you're looking to be competitive. Watch pro tour Sydney in a week and change and pick which deck you like the best in coverage and go from there.
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anglachel posted:I hope they do a return to Kamigawa, but not tell anybody it's like actually was a return to Kamigawa until the set. Either some scheme like that or Phyrexia visits the Place is the only way we will see that plane again. A set name like Arte Fabrica or something that doesn't reference Phyrexia at all and then when we get there it's just a plane dominated by some weird loving science demons/oni who've stripmined it into some weird experimentation / factory plane and then its revealed in set 2 that they're taking orders from Phyrexia and the Kami are basically guerrilla fighters trying to rescue the cattle-like humans, snakefolk, etc, would be fuckin cool. So they won't do that.
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Sigma-X posted:Valuetown 3 drop into Elder Deep Fried as a 4 Drop into Eldritch Evolution 9 drop seems really fun actually it would get you into a 10 drop, so Elder Deep Fried goes right into Ulamog.
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Elblanco posted:actually it would get you into a 10 drop, so Elder Deep Fried goes right into Ulamog. I forgot his emerge was cheaper than his actual CMC. that seems ok
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Sigma-X posted:I forgot his emerge was cheaper than his actual CMC. Yea, turn 5 Ulamog is just OK.
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Jul 29, 2016 01:58
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Ulamog is definitely a lot worse when you're not getting the on-cast trigger.
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Jabor posted:Ulamog is definitely a lot worse when you're not getting the on-cast trigger. A 10/10 indestructible that you can't chump is still very good. ...in a world without Reflector Mage.
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Jabor posted:Ulamog is definitely a lot worse when you're not getting the on-cast trigger. drat, I forgot that the trigger was on cast, yea not quite as good, but not terrible.
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Elblanco posted:actually it would get you into a 10 drop, so Elder Deep Fried goes right into Ulamog. I'd rather get Atarka if you're gonna do that.
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I don't play standard but yeah, there are a lot better board affecting options than Ulamog. The nice thing about that line though is that you can cram 3-5 targets into that deck rather easily with different uses.
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mcmagic posted:I'd rather get Atarka if you're gonna do that. You would be surprised. I once suggested Atarka to a guy playing Nahiri in a Naya deck with no real targets and he scoffed at the idea of playing it. Some people don't like dragons that swing for 8 and eat 5 toughness of creatures.
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Angry Grimace posted:You would be surprised. I once suggested Atarka to a guy playing Nahiri in a Naya deck with no real targets and he scoffed at the idea of playing it. Well that is one of the reasons Nahiri isn't nearly as good in Standard since you don't have anything to get that just wins the game.
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For those of you into playmats, Rob Alexander announced on his Facebook page today that his dual land, Ravnica land, and other illustrations will be available as playmats soon.
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Star Man posted:For those of you into playmats, Rob Alexander announced on his Facebook page today that his dual land, Ravnica land, and other illustrations will be available as playmats soon. Oh poo poo he did the Urza block Plains? Those might be my favorite basic lands ever, I love my GTC Godless Shrine mat but one of those would be incredibly tempting.
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C-Euro posted:Oh poo poo he did the Urza block Plains? Those might be my favorite basic lands ever, I love my GTC Godless Shrine mat but one of those would be incredibly tempting. Rob Alexander has done a lot of things.
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Sigma-X posted:A set name like Arte Fabrica or something that doesn't reference Phyrexia at all and then when we get there it's just a plane dominated by some weird loving science demons/oni who've stripmined it into some weird experimentation / factory plane and then its revealed in set 2 that they're taking orders from Phyrexia and the Kami are basically guerrilla fighters trying to rescue the cattle-like humans, snakefolk, etc, would be fuckin cool. Me and a friend were talking and ironically Kamigawa might be the plane best equipped to fight Phyrexia. Spirits don't care about Infect (cause they will just kill themselves and respawn), and Warriors with First Strike are less susceptible to it. Plus all the anti spirit exile stuff works pretty well on infected stuff too. But the idea of doing a Return but taking advantage of the fact that it's thousands of years in the future for Kamigawa and hundreds of years for Dominara, Rath, and other old school planes to hide the fact that it's a Return till like the second set seems like it could be cool. Like Kamigawa should be pretty much unrecognizable at this point. Other than Moonfolk, and Akki, and the other races still being there. And they could easily say the super insular and reclusive Moonfolk kept closer to the old ways.
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Star Man posted:For those of you into playmats, Rob Alexander announced on his Facebook page today that his dual land, Ravnica land, and other illustrations will be available as playmats soon. This has been true for a little while at least, I have a signed Taiga playmat from him already
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Skyl3lazer posted:This has been true for a little while at least, I have a signed Taiga playmat from him already Does that art look as amazing in person on a playmat as I think it will?
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Dehtraen posted:Does that art look as amazing in person on a playmat as I think it will? They look great on playmats. Even some of the more subdued ones like savannah have a bit more color to them than they do on the cards and look great blown up. The one I bought from him at GP Charlotte was also really thick too.
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If they kept the setting and just never printed another arcane spell ever again, I'd be fine.
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Nomadic Scholar posted:If they kept the setting and just never printed another arcane spell ever again, I'd be fine. Would probably happen if we did go back. WotC has learned a thing or two about parasitic mechanics and how not to print them. Mostly.
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Count Bleck posted:Would probably happen if we did go back. WotC has learned a thing or two about parasitic mechanics and how not to print them. Mostly. ....As long as you ignore all of BFZ.
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Is Meld a parasitic mechanic? It's bad imo.
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Henron posted:Is Meld a parasitic mechanic? It's bad imo. The fact that there are only three Meld pairs (and only one with any cards below rare) seems to me to indicate that they figured out early on it should be a fun one-off gimmick for the wacky body horror set and not a well to plan on returning to. How appropriate that the Lovecraftian corruption set would have the most deliberately parasitic mechanic yet! Johnny Landmine fucked around with this message at 13:17 on Jul 29, 2016 |
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Henron posted:Is Meld a parasitic mechanic? It's bad imo. By some definitions yeah, but it's really not the same. Parasitic mechanics are bad because they push people away from interesting deckbuilding choices - with something like Arcane, most of your deck has to be related to the mechanic, leaving you not much room for anything interesting. With Meld, it's such a tiny part of your deck that it doesn't really constrain what you do with the rest of your cards.
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Henron posted:Is Meld a parasitic mechanic? It's bad imo. It's a little more parasitic than Kookus and his Keeper. Also meld is clearly super sweet. 
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Henron posted:Is Meld a parasitic mechanic? It's bad imo. Not really, no. A mechanic is only parasitic if it's useless outside of a specific environment. The meld cards would be good in any environment -- turns out that a 9/10 Flying First Strike Vigilance Lifelink that also shuts down small spells is good regardless of what other cards are available. It's true that both halves of the same meld need to be legal for melding to happen, so the meld clause on Gisela would be useless if Bruna were not legal, but that's typically not seen as enough to make a mechanic parasitic. A mechanic is parasitic if it expects a whole class of cards to exist in, or be absent from, the environment, and "cards named Bruna" isn't exactly a broad class of cards. It's okay, though. You can think something is bad without finding a Maro-approved buzzword to justify why it's bad. Jabor posted:By some definitions yeah, but it's really not the same. Parasitic mechanics are bad because they push people away from interesting deckbuilding choices - with something like Arcane, most of your deck has to be related to the mechanic, leaving you not much room for anything interesting. With Meld, it's such a tiny part of your deck that it doesn't really constrain what you do with the rest of your cards. That's more about being linear than being parasitic, which is an overlapping concept but not quite the same. Splice is linear because it asks you to fill your deck with arcane spells; it is parasitic because the arcane spells it looks for are absent everywhere except Kamigawa block. "Counter target arcane spell" is not linear but it is parasitic, since it doesn't affect the rest of your deckbuilding but it does expect arcane spells to be around; "Humans you control get +1/+1" is not parasitic but it is linear, since humans are in every set but it does ask you to fill your deck with humans. You're right that meld certainly isn't a linear mechanic. Any given meld pair can't affect more than 8 of your slots, and having one meld pair doesn't encourage you to include additional meld pairs.
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