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quote:Glorifying Meek Mill is not a good look for the Sixers | Christine Flowers http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/christine_flowers/meek-mill-free-sixers-bell-prison-philadelphia-opinion-20180425.html
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Failed to find a related tweet but stumbled on this open letter by islamophobe MP Geert Wilders. It's a lecture on matters of the faith, to the Pope, basically asking if he's ever even read the quran. Also, turns out that muslims either aren't part of mankind or threatening even themselves by merely existing. Cool https://gatesofvienna.net/2013/12/open-letter-to-his-holiness-pope-francis/ posted:In your exhortation Evangelii Gaudium (paragraphs 252-253) you state that “authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Koran are opposed to every form of violence.”
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# ? Apr 27, 2018 00:27 |
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je1 healthcare posted:The 'different experience with appropriation' probably amounts to most people in Asia being more conscious of the fact that their own cultures are the products of appropriation (as are all cultures) waiter i specifically ordered a hot take not this lukewarm trash
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# ? Apr 27, 2018 03:13 |
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WampaLord posted:Because we're tribal animals at heart and she's part of their tribe. I disagree I think more people need to treat politics as sports and throw half-empty glass bottles at politicians
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# ? Apr 27, 2018 03:30 |
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je1 healthcare posted:The 'different experience with appropriation' probably amounts to most people in Asia being more conscious of the fact that their own cultures are the products of appropriation (as are all cultures) But it’s also that the Japanese-American community has experienced discrimination in ways that Japanese people in Japan have not, and that Japanese in Hollywood have dealt with being typecast or exoticized and then get to see a white director pull aspects of Japanese culture into his movie because it’s safely exotic but also twee. Like, the takeaway here is not that you can’t make movies that feature other cultures, it’s just that you gotta think about why you picked that culture and how that will go down in context or you risk coming off like a bit of a dick.
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# ? Apr 27, 2018 03:42 |
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Pirate Radar posted:But it’s also that the Japanese-American community has experienced discrimination in ways that Japanese people in Japan have not, and that Japanese in Hollywood have dealt with being typecast or exoticized and then get to see a white director pull aspects of Japanese culture into his movie because it’s safely exotic but also twee. I watched that movie and IMO 'cultural appropriation' is a really weird way of framing it. The movie portrays the Japanese people as a dehumanized Other, that's the problem, not that a white director is making a movie with taika drums and kimonos in it. Like it would almost have been a less racist movie had he literally removed all the Japanese people and left all the cultural artifacts in place. The problem is that white people like Asian cultural artifacts but very clearly consider real live Asian people to be less human than they are. I feel like the dominant postmodern discourse of cultural appropriation completely fails to address that, in practice almost recreating a sort of position that Asians are and ought to remain separate but equal from whites. The focus shouldn't be on the cultural artifacts, it should be on actual real life human people, and the response I see to intense and deeply rooted dehumanization of East Asians is pretty much an indifferent shrug Of course, I'm a pure amateur and don't have any real indepth education in critical theory poo poo so maybe I'm wrong here? icantfindaname has issued a correction as of 03:52 on Apr 27, 2018 |
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Pirate Radar posted:Wasn’t the point of that article (about IoD) that it’s an American movie that exists in the context of Hollywood and that Asian people in Asia have a much different experience with appropriation than Asian-Americans do?
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# ? Apr 27, 2018 03:48 |
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icantfindaname posted:I watched that movie and IMO 'cultural appropriation' is a really weird way of framing it. The movie portrays the Japanese people as a dehumanized Other, that's the problem, not that a white director is making a movie with taika drums and kimonos in it. Like it would almost have been a less racist movie had he literally removed all the Japanese people and left all the cultural artifacts in place. The problem is that white people like Asian cultural artifacts but very clearly consider real live Asian people to be less human than they are, and I feel like the dominant postmodern discourse of cultural appropriation really fails to identify that. Of course, I'm a pure amateur so maybe I'm wrong here No, that’s also part of it. Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that appropriation was the only thing at hand, we just got into talking about it.
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# ? Apr 27, 2018 03:51 |
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the other thing about that article was that it was published before the movie came out (iirc), so there couldn't have been any actual criticism of the movie because he hadn't seen it
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# ? Apr 27, 2018 03:53 |
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i just enjoyed a cute movie about dogs
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# ? Apr 27, 2018 03:54 |
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Pirate Radar posted:No, that’s also part of it. Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that appropriation was the only thing at hand, we just got into talking about it. Yeah, I'm just saying all of the critique I've seen has been couched in the language of cultural appropriation, and I don't find that framework very useful at least in this case
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# ? Apr 27, 2018 03:54 |
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the "cultural appropriation" framing would in almost all cases be better considered as cultural commodification
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# ? Apr 27, 2018 03:55 |
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asians in america face a totally different set of circumstances than asians in asia, so there's nothing wrong with the take that asians in asia don't really get a say in american race issues. the cultural appropriation part gets way tricker if you take that stance though, since asians in america can't really claim ownership of asian culture either.
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# ? Apr 27, 2018 03:59 |
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https://twitter.com/WeWuzBoomers/status/989008072726196225?s=19 https://twitter.com/_johar_ali_/status/989009505311776770?s=20
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tractor fanatic posted:asians in america face a totally different set of circumstances than asians in asia, so there's nothing wrong with the take that asians in asia don't really get a say in american race issues. the cultural appropriation part gets way tricker if you take that stance though, since asians in america can't really claim ownership of asian culture either. Yes. In practice from what I've seen this leads to one of two extremes, either dismissing Asian-Americans as wrong and/or irrelevant, or dismissing Asian people in Asia as benighted ignorants who are actually the real racists and whose own identity and culture must be interpreted for them by Western-based left wing vanguard. Cultural appropriation as a concept is dumb IMO. At least in the case of Japan/China
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# ? Apr 27, 2018 04:11 |
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lol not only were we like the last modern nation to abolish slavery, we didn't really abolish it, only restructured it.
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# ? Apr 27, 2018 04:13 |
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It’s super tiring though to see arguments like “well I found a [minority] who thinks [x] therefore arguments to the contrary are invalid” while we’re on that subject, how about those Kanye tweets?
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# ? Apr 27, 2018 04:21 |
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Dreddout posted:https://twitter.com/WeWuzBoomers/status/989008072726196225?s=19 Dinesh must have been very confused when he got out of prison and tried to start his "Democrats = socialists = Nazis" shtick back up, only to find that they're distinct publicly active groups that all hate each other, and that his party is firmly on Team Nazi.
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# ? Apr 27, 2018 04:33 |
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VectorSigma posted:lol not only were we like the last modern nation to abolish slavery, we didn't really abolish it, only restructured it.
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Pirate Radar posted:It’s super tiring though to see arguments like “well I found a [minority] who thinks [x] therefore arguments to the contrary are invalid” Kanye is mentally ill, he's just mentally ill in a particular way that our culture finds extremely entertaining.
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I was hopeful about this charge until I saw who made it
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https://twitter.com/TheRoot/status/989337846749323264?s=19
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# ? Apr 27, 2018 12:20 |
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I went and read it and after the clickbait headline the author is like “I really want to believe her because I like her but she almost definitely was not hacked”
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# ? Apr 27, 2018 12:35 |
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incredible
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# ? Apr 27, 2018 12:38 |
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hell yes
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# ? Apr 27, 2018 13:08 |
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I've got my own hot take that's been cooking for a while. Leftists: labor theory of value Also leftists: gently caress work
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# ? Apr 27, 2018 13:31 |
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ikanreed posted:I've got my own hot take that's been cooking for a while. simple fact of the matter is that advancements in technology have made it so that less work needs to be done, and eventually virtually all the work will be done by machines
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# ? Apr 27, 2018 13:32 |
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Serf posted:simple fact of the matter is that advancements in technology have made it so that less work needs to be done, and eventually virtually all the work will be done by machines I don't disagree with that but it does contradict labor theory of value
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ikanreed posted:I don't disagree with that but it does contradict labor theory of value i mean work still goes into the creation of products/the extraction of resources. what does it matter if that work comes from a human or a machine? that's no excuse to say to the human "well, i guess you're useless now"
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there is still a shitton of labor involved in the everyday operations of society, which is why services are valued way more than mere things now. machines are literally capital.
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ikanreed posted:I don't disagree with that but it does contradict labor theory of value I mean, you're running into a few problems here. First is that the labor theory of value applies specifically under capitalism only, and the "gently caress work" / FALGSC attitude is about abolishing capitalism. Second is that the creation of value is not the same as the creation of use value, and the latter is the one that matters for the well-being of actual people. But this is probably a discussion for another thread.
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# ? Apr 27, 2018 14:23 |
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i'm not seeing the conflict? 'gently caress work' is because labor is, uh, hard work, but it's still necessary to create value, and is the only source of value. you don't do labor because of the labor, you do it for the the value it creates. but in modern society, the laborer is alienated from the products of their labor, and has their surplus value appropriated from them.
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ikanreed posted:I don't disagree with that but it does contradict labor theory of value machines embody the labor that was used to build them, both the labor of their manufacture and of their design. the labor theory of value explicitly includes the labor used to produce the machines used in production the better problem for the labor theory of value is the value of things that aren’t produced for sale on a market but are nevertheless sold, like famous people’s letters at an auction house e: lol u got the reds all got and bothered Strangelet Wave has issued a correction as of 14:33 on Apr 27, 2018 |
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the extra exchange value in something like antiques, would be over and above the cost of the production of the base item, but also include the labor incurred in searching for that particular item from that particular time period, or another item of equal socially recognized value, ie, a function of scarcity the use value in this case, is the rather marginal status signalling, of pointing to an antique and telling guests at a housewarming party about it's history or whatever - hence why only people with more money than sense buy that poo poo
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je1 healthcare posted:"Upon seeing this mayo and corn-covered abomination of a "pizza" being served on a Japanese menu, I suddenly felt as if my entire heritage was torn from me. Is this how they see Italy's rich culture? Are we anything more than a collection of stereotypes, cheap English lessions, and 'quirky' dish ideas? Did they even consult a single white person before appropriating? I quickly let the manager know the severity of his error, but alas, all they did was film me and laugh at my less-than-perfect translation abilities" Did you just imply that Italians are white?
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Strangelet Wave posted:e: lol u got the reds all got and bothered Hey, you can't expect us to read that huge fuckin book and not want to show off a little about it
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Goon Danton posted:Hey, you can't expect us to read that huge fuckin book and not want to show off a little about it Did you know that woven linen can be exchanged for coats in a marketplace. I do, because it's all that Marx talks about in that first loving chapter.
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Don't worry, you'll get to sell your Bible for brandy later.
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https://twitter.com/DanielLaw1998/status/985815856947998720?s=19
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