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nerdz
Oct 12, 2004


Complex, statistically improbable things are by their nature more difficult to explain than simple, statistically probable things.
Grimey Drawer
I always had the impression that shirou just wanted to draw porn but was a victim of his own success at writing

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gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
dude loves drawing porn more than most of us will ever love anything

Relin
Oct 6, 2002

You have been a most worthy adversary, but in every game, there are winners and there are losers. And as you know, in this game, losers get robotizicized!

coathat posted:

They should do no such thing.
so you're saying you're cool with pandora in the crimson shell?

coathat
May 21, 2007

He doesn't draw it idiot.

Relin
Oct 6, 2002

You have been a most worthy adversary, but in every game, there are winners and there are losers. And as you know, in this game, losers get robotizicized!
that kind of sounds like an affirmative.......

El Burbo
Oct 10, 2012

New grand blue

http://bato.to/reader#f3c366856a8992f2

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Do your best Aina

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
I'm so glad they brought back the "I may not look like it" joke.

Phimose Knight
Mar 5, 2013
What a misunderstanding.

* tl note: not a misunderstanding

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
Alice in Borderland recently wrapped up and it's a good read for anyone who likes death games.










HenryEx fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Apr 30, 2023

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

gently caress yeah, I love me some death games, and this even has a lot of translated chapters.

edit: How is the end? I just noticed it's complete, but I'm always nervous that manga will have bad endings due to cancellation.

Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Mar 12, 2017

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
All in all it has its ups and downs, lots of moral pathos thrown around, but the Heart suite games are always interesting. The ending is nothing phenomenal, but it sticks the landing quite gracefully, and i think a big reason is because it's quite beautifully woven into the last and biggest Heart (psychological) game at the end. The author played to their strengths on that, definitely. It seemed like a natural culmination of all that transpired on the road to it, so i'm pretty confident it's not a cancellation ending.

The protagonists motivations and hangups do sometimes take some weird and baffling turns, but he's supposed to be the psychological avatar out of the four suits, and psychology is really tough to nail properly, so i'll forgive that. It was a pretty good ride all in all. The last battle was real good, even if you can predict the course via meta knowledge.

How much you can appreciate the ending is probably largely dependant on your own hangups in regards to storytelling, which is kinda funny regarding the overall theme of the story.


edit: I also very much enjoyed the author taking the piss out of the long-standing "how do i make sense of this apocalyptic high-tech wasteland bloodsport setting????" question at the end.

HenryEx fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Mar 13, 2017

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!
I enjoyed the series overall but the protagonist was loving insufferable at times(because of that games I liked the most were the ones he wasn't in). And yeah I liked how they ended it.

RatHat fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Mar 13, 2017

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Haha, I like how they try to give Agni a sympathetic backstory and motivation, despite the fact that he was totally cool with trying to rape the protagonist's friend/love interest prior to Hatter's death (so he couldn't use his hatred from Hatter's death as an excuse for that).

Metal Pink Babble
Mar 31, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Ytlaya posted:

Haha, I like how they try to give Agni a sympathetic backstory and motivation, despite the fact that he was totally cool with trying to rape the protagonist's friend/love interest prior to Hatter's death (so he couldn't use his hatred from Hatter's death as an excuse for that).

I wasted precious bandwidth on this shitpile too long after this shitpile formulaically became a formulaic, bastard kaigi-gantz shitpile.

Now I need better seinen manga suggestions so I can batch rip something to wash away the bad taste while eating dollar menu and mooching free wifi.

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
Yeah, i let out an audible "No you can't do that" after they tried to justify the rapist dude who starts an indiscriminate witch hunt just to kill everyone because he feels bad about his mistakes. Then again, they kept Niragi around for a lot longer than i was comfortable with, too. gently caress that guy. All in all i liked the witch hunt the least of all the games, despite me saying earlier that the Heart suites were usually the best. (Second worst is probably the prison one.)

Funnily enough, most of the side stories would make really good stand-alone chapters or oneshots. The majority/minority game and the poker one were really good. Also Heiya's, pictured above.

Metal Pink Babble posted:

I wasted precious bandwidth on this shitpile too long after this shitpile formulaically became a formulaic, bastard kaigi-gantz shitpile.

What does this even mean

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

HenryEx posted:

Yeah, i let out an audible "No you can't do that" after they tried to justify the rapist dude who starts an indiscriminate witch hunt just to kill everyone because he feels bad about his mistakes. Then again, they kept Niragi around for a lot longer than i was comfortable with, too. gently caress that guy. All in all i liked the witch hunt the least of all the games, despite me saying earlier that the Heart suites were usually the best. (Second worst is probably the prison one.)

Yeah, some stuff can't really be justified. Pressing a button (or something similar) to kill people is hosed up but understandable if it were necessary to save your life (and even maybe if you were in great despair or something, since pressing a button is a simple action that someone might do as an impulse), but repeatedly chasing down a bunch of people pleading for their lives and gunning/cutting them down is not something sane people are capable of* regardless of whether their best buddy died. I especially liked the "was bullied as a child" and (even better) the "was a NEET" excuses for being homicidal maniacs.

One thing I do kinda like about the series, though, is that they don't just have the MC do almost everything (like in most other death game manga). A bunch of random side characters take down the other suit cards, including a couple of the Kings.

*Obviously there are exceptions for situations where someone lives in a society with constant propaganda telling you X people are subhuman, like in Nazi Germany or something, but that wasn't the case during the whole Witch Hunt situation.

edit: One thing that is kind of disappointing is that I was hoping the MC's talented brother would show up in the Borderlands at some point.

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!
I thought the Witch Hunt solution was really obvious too.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

RatHat posted:

I thought the Witch Hunt solution was really obvious too.

Yeah, though some of the other games have been pretty creative. I like the King of Diamonds game where the characters have to guess what 80% of their average number chosen by other players would be. It's an interesting game that requires you to predict your opponents' strategies.

It's kind of dumb when death game manga have hardcore veterans who are supposedly super badass by virtue of surviving the games, despite the fact that a bunch of games are completely luck or mandate most people dying. Like, if naked guy (Kyuuma?) had encountered the Sheep and Wolves game he would have lost all his friends no matter how skilled they were or how good of a leader he is. I feel like death games are best when they minimize the luck factor, because luck-based games basically mean that no one would last very long before being unlucky enough to encounter and fail a luck-based game.

Webcormac McCarthy
Nov 26, 2007
New Dead dededededemons
I'm loving the parallels to modern day radicalisation

Slime
Jan 3, 2007

Ytlaya posted:

Yeah, though some of the other games have been pretty creative. I like the King of Diamonds game where the characters have to guess what 80% of their average number chosen by other players would be. It's an interesting game that requires you to predict your opponents' strategies.

It's kind of dumb when death game manga have hardcore veterans who are supposedly super badass by virtue of surviving the games, despite the fact that a bunch of games are completely luck or mandate most people dying. Like, if naked guy (Kyuuma?) had encountered the Sheep and Wolves game he would have lost all his friends no matter how skilled they were or how good of a leader he is. I feel like death games are best when they minimize the luck factor, because luck-based games basically mean that no one would last very long before being unlucky enough to encounter and fail a luck-based game.

You can be skilled at being lucky. It's called cheating!

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
More Donjon Delish, today's specials are halfling tantrums and the dangers of subsidizing corpse retrieval.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Webcormac McCarthy posted:

New Dead dededededemons
I'm loving the parallels to modern day radicalisation

Headbob Ontan noooo

Hopeford
Oct 15, 2010

Eh, why not?
Tried reading Jagaaaan because a friend recommended it to me, but it just looks so...bland.

Wild Horses
Oct 31, 2012

There's really no meaning in making beetles fight.
inu yashiki turned weird. weirder than it was before...

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Trump appearance was p rad. Probably true to life reaction.

nerdz
Oct 12, 2004


Complex, statistically improbable things are by their nature more difficult to explain than simple, statistically probable things.
Grimey Drawer
Yep, that totally killed the suspension of disbelief because it was way too real.

Metal Pink Babble
Mar 31, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

HenryEx posted:

Yeah, i let out an audible "No you can't do that" after they tried to justify the rapist dude who starts an indiscriminate witch hunt just to kill everyone because he feels bad about his mistakes. Then again, they kept Niragi around for a lot longer than i was comfortable with, too. gently caress that guy. All in all i liked the witch hunt the least of all the games, despite me saying earlier that the Heart suites were usually the best. (Second worst is probably the prison one.)

Funnily enough, most of the side stories would make really good stand-alone chapters or oneshots. The majority/minority game and the poker one were really good. Also Heiya's, pictured above.


What does this even mean

Look, ~mai fuurendou~ , I can't reach the JIS input on my burner PC, so listen and listen well.

Gantz dude just sent the elderly protagonist of his side manga on a rocket set to collide with a meteor. President Trump says will collide with the Earth in no more than three days.

I'd prefer to spend that precious time with the ones I love. That being said, Happy page 100 of Seinen thread!!!

Omedetou! Is your family doing well?

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Metal Pink Babble posted:

Look, ~mai fuurendou~ , I can't reach the JIS input on my burner PC, so listen and listen well.

Gantz dude just sent the elderly protagonist of his side manga on a rocket set to collide with a meteor. President Trump says will collide with the Earth in no more than three days.

I'd prefer to spend that precious time with the ones I love. That being said, Happy page 100 of Seinen thread!!!

Omedetou! Is your family doing well?

Metal Pink Babble
Mar 31, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

lol

AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

"I didn't see the part where he develops as a character so I guess he never developed as a character"

Hopeford posted:

Tried reading Jagaaaan because a friend recommended it to me, but it just looks so...bland.

Yeah it was definitely boring.

Phimose Knight
Mar 5, 2013
New Grand Blue was fun and I like that they did something with the Nanaka thing.

Never give up, cakey.

Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010
yeah I thought Jagaaaan just seemed lame

inu yashiki I dropped for the moment, not because it was bad...it was okay...but at some point the translations/scans got so crap it just wasn't worth the bother

Mindblast
Jun 28, 2006

Moving at the speed of death.


The Alice in Borderlands talk(was a decent read btw thanks for whoever linked it) reminded me that another survival game comic existed in which people are trapped in a world that's essentially nothing but skyscrapers with bridges. The danger there comes from masks that rewire people's brains into murderous puppets. Does anyone know if that actually went anywhere or can be skipped entirely?

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer

Mindblast posted:

The Alice in Borderlands talk(was a decent read btw thanks for whoever linked it) reminded me that another survival game comic existed in which people are trapped in a world that's essentially nothing but skyscrapers with bridges. The danger there comes from masks that rewire people's brains into murderous puppets. Does anyone know if that actually went anywhere or can be skipped entirely?

I haven't heard from that but now i'm interested. Let me know if you ever remember the name.

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

Mindblast posted:

The Alice in Borderlands talk(was a decent read btw thanks for whoever linked it) reminded me that another survival game comic existed in which people are trapped in a world that's essentially nothing but skyscrapers with bridges. The danger there comes from masks that rewire people's brains into murderous puppets. Does anyone know if that actually went anywhere or can be skipped entirely?

I'm not sure where you stopped, but they introduced other mask types and gradually built up a party around the main character. I fell off reading weekly releases right around the time they established a villain, but it had definitely developed past what was a pretty bare opening. I'd say it's about on par with Alice, though it's just the singular murdergame instead of a grab bag (which tends to make things more interesting).

HenryEx posted:

I haven't heard from that but now i'm interested. Let me know if you ever remember the name.

It's called Tenkuu Shinpan.

coathat
May 21, 2007

Punkin Spunkin posted:

yeah I thought Jagaaaan just seemed lame

inu yashiki I dropped for the moment, not because it was bad...it was okay...but at some point the translations/scans got so crap it just wasn't worth the bother

Its on crunchyroll

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream
I thought Gleipnir was kinda interesting for a bit but then it became bad, basically becoming pretty typical trashy seinen that's gore, nudity, and an MC who is utterly worthless and makes the wrong decisions over and over again to disastrous consequences. It's too bad because I kinda like the artist's style.

Horikoshi (of BnHA fame) had one of his assistants go make a super-edgy seinen (pygmalion) with a more assertive MC but far dumber premise where some rear end in a top hat with magical powers or whatever makes everyone in mascot costumes at some mascot parade turn into monsters that eat, murder, and rape everything in sight for whatever reason. Notable scenes include a guy getting impaled to death by a boner. Talk about a turn in tone/style from what you were doing before, going from WSJ to edgelord seinen stuff. It's too bad because the guy's art style isn't too bad either- it's obvious he picked up a lot of Horikoshi's style.

Pewdiepie
Oct 31, 2010

Mindblast posted:

The Alice in Borderlands talk(was a decent read btw thanks for whoever linked it) reminded me that another survival game comic existed in which people are trapped in a world that's essentially nothing but skyscrapers with bridges. The danger there comes from masks that rewire people's brains into murderous puppets. Does anyone know if that actually went anywhere or can be skipped entirely?

I read that comic. I don't think its very good.

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Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Mindblast posted:

The Alice in Borderlands talk(was a decent read btw thanks for whoever linked it) reminded me that another survival game comic existed in which people are trapped in a world that's essentially nothing but skyscrapers with bridges. The danger there comes from masks that rewire people's brains into murderous puppets. Does anyone know if that actually went anywhere or can be skipped entirely?

Someone already mentioned the name, but I like how that one has a female protagonist and avoid some of the cliches associated with the genre (for example I find that "crazy and/or murderous dude who has a man crush on the protagonist" is a cliche for Death Games manga for some reason).

edit: My main issue with it is that it doesn't have the actual "games" part of death games manga and is more just a survival thing.

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