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Milo and POTUS: Sep 3, 2017; I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

fishmech posted:

It was a realistic threat. After all, the Nazis had already firebombed a Naval Air Station in New Jersey in 1937.

lmao

# ? May 3, 2018 14:54

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# ? May 27, 2024 14:25

Nebakenezzer: Sep 13, 2005; The Mote in God's Eye

Urcinius posted:

In December 1941, General Hap Arnold was quite concerned that the Graf Zeppelin was going to perform a carrier raid on the East Coast. The issue of safeguarding America from being raided would come up intermittently at Combined Chiefs of Staff meeting. My favorite possibility is Admiral Ingersoll's idea, who in 1945 was concerned that the few remaining Japanese carriers would perform a kamikaze raid on San Francisco.

For a second I thought you meant the airship Graf Zeppelin II and was all :allears:

OctaviusBeaver posted:

As depicted in the documentary 1941.

It's one of Spielberg's less famous films, but it is really funny, y'all should watch it

Cyrano4747 posted:

Jesus christ, every person there has this look like they are going to tough it out in their bomb shelters, maybe eat some hard tack, and then kick hitler in the balls.

It's an entire family of , if was more angry and scowl-y

Woman: I'VE MADE US ENOUGH SANDWICHES I THINK, loving HITLER

Man: THANK YOU, DEAR. IF YOU'LL EXCUSE ME, I HAVE TO WITH GRIM DETERMINATION TURN OFF ALL THE LIGHTS

# ? May 3, 2018 15:11

bewbies: Sep 23, 2003; Fun Shoe

the zoot suit riots are said to be racially motivated, but actually they were a justifiable response to crimes against fashion

# ? May 3, 2018 15:19

Cyrano4747: Sep 25, 2006; Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

bewbies posted:

the zoot suit riots are said to be racially motivated, but actually they were a justifiable response to crimes against fashion

I know, have you loving SEEN navy shore leave uniforms?

# ? May 3, 2018 15:22

Clarence: May 3, 2012

13th KRRC War Diary, 28th Apr 1918 posted:

At about 8 o'clock a.m. 5 of the enemy who were apparently on ration party and had lost their way wandered into our D Co. lines.
On spotting our outpost they attempted to run back but on rifles being levelled at them they quickly came in.
At Battn. H.Q. they were cross questioned and given some hot tea and food. They were of the 1st 148 Division of good physique and very pleased to find themselves in our hands. There were quickly passed on to Brigade H.Q.
During the morning and afternoon the men were employed in clearing the trenches and salving shafts etc.
An event occurred to-day which must be recorded in the annals of the Battn. - in the evening an enemy 'plane came over flying fairly low. Instantly a special battery of Lewis Guns - 10 in all - opened fire. He was seen to swerve and crashed over the ridge in the Somersets Lines.
The re-organization of the outpost line is nearing completion. On taking over the line the 3 right groups had no fire positions, in which to come into action. A trench and barricade are being constructed on the main road through the village and a trench has been dug covering the Crucifix Road. A fire bay has been dug along the hedge of the first orchard post. All posts are now duck-boarded and every man has a position in which he can come into action, At 10 a.m. the Brigadier visited the village posts. It is impossible to hold every alley of approach so he has ordered the village to be extensively wired.
A new post is to be established as a support to the right two orchard posts. This will entail a side-slip down from the left.

13th KRRC War Diary, 29th Apr 1918 posted:

Everything as usual. During the day work was done and improvements made in the trenches. An inter-company relief was carried out last night without event, but before leaving the support area "C" Coy. sustained three casualties by shell fire. At dawn two scouts went out into a Nissen hut in front of our outpost line to observe and came in at dusk.

13th KRRC War Diary, 30th Apr 1918 posted:

The day passed quietly. Rain fell during the morning - and the afternoon was spent in clearing the trenches of water and mud.
Consolidation of the village of BUCQUOY continues and progress is being made, in wiring and improvements in the posts. Much salvage has been done by the Coys. in the front line and one company is completely rigged out in black water-proof clothing which we found in the village.

13th KRRC War Diary, 1st May 1918 posted:

The day passed quietly and there is little to record. The usual routine and work on the trenches continues. In the afternoon reconnoitring parties from the 13th Rifle Brigade arrived and reconnoitred the line etc.

13th KRRC War Diary, 2nd May 1918 posted:

Everything as usual. At 3.30 p.m. advance parties went to our new trenches and took over. As soon as relieved, companies withdrew to a line of trenches, where we are in close support.
For dispositions see Appendix "A".
The relief was complete at 11 p.m.

Appendix A:-

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PittTheElder: Feb 13, 2012; Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Clarence posted:

Appendix A:-

Do you know what general direction the Germans are located at? Those HQs seem mighty exposed (though there are probably more friendlies around than depicted as well, just not part of the regiment?).

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chitoryu12: Apr 24, 2014

Next document. The building is a small brick building on the corner that�s probably closed and abandoned now, like a lot of buildings in that part of Detroit.

# ? May 3, 2018 19:13

HEY GUNS: Oct 11, 2012; FOPTIMUS PRIME

Clarence posted:

Appendix A:-

OH MY GOD ALMOST NOTHING HAPPENS TO THESE DUDES I loving LOVE IT

# ? May 3, 2018 19:21

HEY GUNS: Oct 11, 2012; FOPTIMUS PRIME

chitoryu12 posted:

Next document. The building is a small brick building on the corner that�s probably closed and abandoned now, like a lot of buildings in that part of Detroit.

datroit, michigan

# ? May 3, 2018 20:24

HEY GUNS: Oct 11, 2012; FOPTIMUS PRIME

so i am about to graduate soon and if anyone knows of jobs for a milhist please PM me

# ? May 3, 2018 20:26

Trin Tragula: Apr 22, 2005

quote:

Much salvage has been done by the Coys. in the front line and one company is completely rigged out in black water-proof clothing which we found in the village.

One of those famous English irregular verbs has reared its head again!

I have found some black waterproof clothing in the village
You have looted civilian property
They have been charged under section 35 (c) of the Army Act

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chitoryu12: Apr 24, 2014

The paper ordering my grandfather to report for a military physical exam. The building is now home to the Detroit Academy of Arts & Sciences.

# ? May 4, 2018 00:22

Corsair Pool Boy: Dec 17, 2004; College Slice

HEY GUNS posted:

so i am about to graduate soon and if anyone knows of jobs for a milhist please PM me

Starbucks barista, university professor, librarian, computer toucher, retail sales clerk...

# ? May 4, 2018 00:56

Corsair Pool Boy: Dec 17, 2004; College Slice

Trin Tragula posted:

One of those famous English irregular verbs has reared its head again!

I have found some black waterproof clothing in the village
You have looted civilian property
They have been charged under section 35 (c) of the Army Act

LOLed IRL

# ? May 4, 2018 00:56

Urcinius: Mar 27, 2010; Chapter Master of the
Woobie Marines

MANime in the sheets posted:

How close was the Graf Zeppelin to being ready to conduct operations? I got the vibe the Germans realized it was a huge waste of time/materials pretty early on.

From the Allied perspective the GZ was perpetually just a couple months away from sortieing all the way up until August 1943. There are quite a number of cables from Britain to America with estimated dates of the GZ working up. When Churchill offered both the Illustrious and Victorious for the Pacific Fleet, his reason given for needing the Ranger in recompense was the possibility that the GZ might sortie before the end of 1942.

In actuality? The Germans sunk a lot of time and effort into her, but they couldn't stop tinkering. Perhaps if they stuck to a design and made her a priority, she could have been finished by late 1940, 1942, or 1943. She could have been quite useful had she been completed in 1940 or 1942. No matter what, by 1944 she would certainly have been both outnumbered and outclassed.

Nebakenezzer posted:

For a second I thought you meant the airship Graf Zeppelin II and was all

I did just come across this today:

# ? May 4, 2018 03:16

Corsair Pool Boy: Dec 17, 2004; College Slice

Urcinius posted:

From the Allied perspective the GZ was perpetually just a couple months away from sortieing all the way up until August 1943. There are quite a number of cables from Britain to America with estimated dates of the GZ working up. When Churchill offered both the Illustrious and Victorious for the Pacific Fleet, his reason given for needing the Ranger in recompense was the possibility that the GZ might sortie before the end of 1942.

In actuality? The Germans sunk a lot of time and effort into her, but they couldn't stop tinkering. Perhaps if they stuck to a design and made her a priority, she could have been finished by late 1940, 1942, or 1943. She could have been quite useful had she been completed in 1940 or 1942. No matter what, by 1944 she would certainly have been both outnumbered and outclassed.

In 1940 or even maybe 41 I'd agree she could have been a big problem, but after that, the lack of escorts and increasing disparity in the air would have rendered her pretty ineffective. If she managed to break out into the Atlantic she might have done some real damage, but it would have almost certainly been a one-way trip. As far as operating in the Channel or North Sea, her air complement would have been too small to do much AND defend against aircraft attacking from the island.

I realize this is more obvious in hindsight and was a real concern at the time, I suspect the Allies would have been pretty happy in the long run for Germany to spend more resources on carriers than subs and LBA.

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chitoryu12: Apr 24, 2014

The remnants of a 1942 ration book.

# ? May 4, 2018 04:50

Agean90: Jun 28, 2008

Pershing: ignore allied advice on artillery usage

also pershing:
https://twitter.com/PulpLibrarian/status/992006783676936194

# ? May 4, 2018 05:32

aphid_licker: Jan 7, 2009

Oh god apparently the British asked Catherine the Great for troops to fight in the American Revolution, sorta like the Hessians ended up doing. Cossacks in America would've been amazing. It seems bizarre that a world power could not scrounge up a couple thousand muskets and fancy hats and instead had to ask to borrow other guys' troops. What was the limiting factor there? Industry, manpower, money, political capital?

MANime in the sheets posted:

In 1940 or even maybe 41 I'd agree she could have been a big problem, but after that, the lack of escorts and increasing disparity in the air would have rendered her pretty ineffective. If she managed to break out into the Atlantic she might have done some real damage, but it would have almost certainly been a one-way trip. As far as operating in the Channel or North Sea, her air complement would have been too small to do much AND defend against aircraft attacking from the island.

I realize this is more obvious in hindsight and was a real concern at the time, I suspect the Allies would have been pretty happy in the long run for Germany to spend more resources on carriers than subs and LBA.

GZ scrambling some navalized Messerschmidts would have improved the situation for Bismarck tho, no?

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HEY GUNS: Oct 11, 2012; FOPTIMUS PRIME

aphid_licker posted:

Cossacks in America would've been amazing.

what might have been

# ? May 4, 2018 05:47

Vincent Van Goatse: Nov 8, 2006; Enjoy every sandwich.; Smellrose

Polikarpov posted:

If we try hard and believe in ourselves (and First Lord of the Admiralty Jackie Fisher, PBUH) maybe this could become the Battlecruiser thread.

I'd be perfectly fine with this.

# ? May 4, 2018 05:48

Corsair Pool Boy: Dec 17, 2004; College Slice

aphid_licker posted:

GZ scrambling some navalized Messerschmidts would have improved the situation for Bismarck tho, no?

In early '41? Yeah probably. But who knows how that action would have ended if the Bismark were still able to steer and tried to make for land. The Brits still had a lot of kit looking for it.

And I have to imagine that an active Graf Zeppelin would either be needing to transit the N. Sea and Faeroes Gap every time it sortied, by 41 or 42 I don't think the Brits would be willing to not constantly bomb a Bay of Biscay port hosting a threat like that.

IMO until 42 or so GZ would have been a threat and probably cause the Brits to keep more assets in the UK rather than poking at Italy, but I don't think it would have materially changed things in the long run by actually sailing. It was probably more useful as a theoretical threat or fleet in being than actually being used - reducing Allied naval forces in to other theaters while they patrol the N. Sea and keep a reaction force on hand to make sure it doesn't actually get loose.

Plus, Hitler barely approved the Bismark operation as it was, how likely would it be for him to sign off on risking an even larger status symbol, or both at the same time?

I will say that the Kriegsmarine might have come out of Norway in better shape if they'd had a carrier supporting the landings in the north, and who knows what happens if the Kriegsmarine isn't under half strength come late August 1940. OTOH, it could have just been another boat lost in the fjords, too.

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MrMojok: Jan 28, 2011

bewbies posted:

It seems probably apocryphal to me but you see people make that claim occasionally. German engineers were experimenting with swept wings (for aerodynamic reasons) years before the 262, and Messerschmitt was putting swept wings on all of its transonic aircraft (163 and the 1101) at the time.

I've never seen any primary source thing to support it but I bet if anywhere could find such a thing it is this thread.

Guys, I always knew my worthless accumulation of WWII fighter arcana would come in handy somehow, someday.

Pg. 15-16 of "ME-262: Stormbird Rising" has this to say:

Dr. Waldemar Voigt, head of design team posted:

BWM soon ascertained that its turbojet would be still larger and appreciably heavier than the company's least sanguine revision calculations had suggested, thus presenting us with serious centre of gravity problems. Aircraft development had progressed too far for us to dramatically revise its layout, and we were forced to introduce what we considered a somewhat inelegant "fix" in the form of swept outer wing panels to resolve the CG difficulties presented by the heavyset engines. Thus, it was to be purely fortuitous that the Me 262 was to become the world's first operational fighter featuring weep swingback--a radical departure that, at this stage at least, reflected no attempt to reduce the effect of compressability.

Here is a pic that is meant to show different ideas for the gear, but you can see how they envisioned the wings. It's not nearly as cool!

# ? May 4, 2018 06:14

HEY GUNS: Oct 11, 2012; FOPTIMUS PRIME

aphid_licker posted:

Oh god apparently the British asked Catherine the Great for troops to fight in the American Revolution, sorta like the Hessians ended up doing. Cossacks in America would've been amazing. It seems bizarre that a world power could not scrounge up a couple thousand muskets and fancy hats and instead had to ask to borrow other guys' troops. What was the limiting factor there? Industry, manpower, money, political capital?

(1) the UK always wants to fight its loving wars on the cheap
(2) small German states raise money by pressganging dudes and renting them to foreign powers as soldiers. These poor fuckers are called mercenaries but they're not.

(3) at this time people thought light cav was an ethnic trait. They asked Catherine for Cossaks because they believed you couldn't train English people to do that

# ? May 4, 2018 06:16

FAUXTON: Jun 2, 2005; spero che tu stia bene

aphid_licker posted:

Oh god apparently the British asked Catherine the Great for troops to fight in the American Revolution, sorta like the Hessians ended up doing. Cossacks in America would've been amazing. It seems bizarre that a world power could not scrounge up a couple thousand muskets and fancy hats and instead had to ask to borrow other guys' troops. What was the limiting factor there? Industry, manpower, money, political capital?

The other wars they were fighting, probably. American independence was kind of a side plate on the bigger table that was the Treaty of Paris.

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The Lone Badger: Sep 24, 2007

HEY GUNS posted:

they believed you couldn't train English people to do that

Are you claiming that you can?

# ? May 4, 2018 06:21

HEY GUNS: Oct 11, 2012; FOPTIMUS PRIME

The Lone Badger posted:

Are you claiming that you can?

Bad Cav.

# ? May 4, 2018 06:24

Kemper Boyd: Aug 6, 2007; no kings, no gods, no masters but a comfy chair and no socks

HEY GUNS posted:

(1) the UK always wants to fight its loving wars on the cheap
(2) small German states raise money by pressganging dudes and renting them to foreign powers as soldiers. These poor fuckers are called mercenaries but they're not.

(3) at this time people thought light cav was an ethnic trait. They asked Catherine for Cossaks because they believed you couldn't train English people to do that

The UK was also heavily in debt from the Seven Years' War. Empire isn't cheap.

# ? May 4, 2018 07:04

Corsair Pool Boy: Dec 17, 2004; College Slice

HEY GUNS posted:

Bad Cav.

bad light cav. I mean, they had them in the Crimean war, I guess they decided it was possible...

# ? May 4, 2018 07:23

Nine of Eight: Apr 28, 2011; LICK IT OFF, AND PUT IT BACK IN; Dinosaur Gum

Agean90 posted:

Pershing: ignore allied advice on artillery usage

also pershing:
https://twitter.com/PulpLibrarian/status/992006783676936194

For those of you who don't read French;
HER; "Why aren't you happy? I chose the costume of verity because it would cost you the least."

# ? May 4, 2018 07:41

PittTheElder: Feb 13, 2012; Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

aphid_licker posted:

Oh god apparently the British asked Catherine the Great for troops to fight in the American Revolution, sorta like the Hessians ended up doing. Cossacks in America would've been amazing. It seems bizarre that a world power could not scrounge up a couple thousand muskets and fancy hats and instead had to ask to borrow other guys' troops. What was the limiting factor there? Industry, manpower, money, political capital?

GZ scrambling some navalized Messerschmidts would have improved the situation for Bismarck tho, no?

In addition to what others have suggested, I would guess desertion as well. Certainly in the War of 1812 it was a big problem, presumably so in the Revolution as well; because the army tended to not be true volunteers, they were quite often eager to desert if the opportunity arose. Being amongst folk with the same language and culture made that much easier than it would be in other places. If you bring Hessians or Cossacks, they're less likely to run off.

# ? May 4, 2018 07:56

aphid_licker: Jan 7, 2009

That makes sense. Man, Cossacks cossacking about would've definitely entered the American national mythology in a big way.

# ? May 4, 2018 09:34

my dad: Oct 17, 2012; this shall be humorous

Imperial cannon fodder exchange programs really weren't all that unusual. My Grenzer great-great-great...-great-grandfathers left their bones all over Europe every time some Habsburg's triple cousin asked for military help and the Ottomans weren't likely to attack at the moment.

# ? May 4, 2018 10:21

Grenrow: Apr 11, 2016

Might also have had to do with political debates over the war back in England. Not everyone was totally on board with using force to crush the revolt, and so raising too many new British regiments might have opened up opportunities for political controversy and a stage for the anti-war types in a way that just hiring a bunch of Germans or Cossacks wouldn't.

# ? May 4, 2018 11:51

SeanBeansShako: Nov 20, 2009; Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

MANime in the sheets posted:

bad light cav. I mean, they had them in the Crimean war, I guess they decided it was possible...

It's a lot more than that on a social level. And if you are talking about the Crimean War things get really complicated and weird and that kind of rot isn't just associated with GB either.

Being a soldier loving sucks, even at junior officer levels. The New Model Army didn't also exactly have great PR from the start due to what soldiers did when they didn't get paid (HEY GUNS will tell you what happens it happens on the continent) there is very little desire to actually join up and serve. It gets to the point that during the Napoleonic Wars they are so desperate for man power they first start offering incentives to men to the Militia and Yeomanry to join up with the army to fight Napoleon.

I imagine had the early Industrial Revolution started laying their foundations it'd be worse.

Like HEY GUNS said too the government was always looking how to make money on the cheap and in times of short peace loved to cut the military budget when nobody was looking.

# ? May 4, 2018 13:14

Ataxerxes: Dec 2, 2011; What is a soldier but a miserable pile of eaten cats and strange language?

SeanBeansShako posted:

It's a lot more than that on a social level. And if you are talking about the Crimean War things get really complicated and weird and that kind of rot isn't just associated with GB either.

Being a soldier loving sucks, even at junior officer levels. The New Model Army didn't also exactly have great PR from the start due to what soldiers did when they didn't get paid (HEY GUNS will tell you what happens it happens on the continent) there is very little desire to actually join up and serve. It gets to the point that during the Napoleonic Wars they are so desperate for man power they first start offering incentives to men to the Militia and Yeomanry to join up with the army to fight Napoleon.

I imagine had the early Industrial Revolution started laying their foundations it'd be worse.

Like HEY GUNS said too the government was always looking how to make money on the cheap and in times of short peace loved to cut the military budget when nobody was looking.

Also, for the Crimean era British Army, they had had a long period of peace without them fighting on the continent and most of their wars since the Napoleonic ones had been fought by the EEC. Wellington was in charge of the whole deal for decades and wasn't really a great innovator by any standard.

# ? May 4, 2018 13:20

SeanBeansShako: Nov 20, 2009; Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Wellington sat on a bunch of outdated and awkward departments and tried to preserve what he could partly in fear for the government butchering it for the budget and partly because well, he was a Praetorian traditionalist who wasn't a fan of change either.

It was a shame he pegged it before the Crimean War but also a relief as well at least they could repair and innovate. The process had begun just as the events of the war were swinging into gear. It would take decades though and multiple reforms and transformations.

The British Army is a multi legged ever changing Chimera from it's formation to today really. Considering what a hash the modern British government has made of things in the present it is amazing their greedy ancestors at least could cobble it all together and keep it running to some extent*.

(*With a massive under appreciated amount of effort from a sub-continent of soldiers on the other side of the world now. Also the long suffering Irish.)

# ? May 4, 2018 14:09

bewbies: Sep 23, 2003; Fun Shoe

MrMojok posted:

Guys, I always knew my worthless accumulation of WWII fighter arcana would come in handy somehow, someday.

Pg. 15-16 of "ME-262: Stormbird Rising" has this to say:

Here is a pic that is meant to show different ideas for the gear, but you can see how they envisioned the wings. It's not nearly as cool!

As far as I'm aware that's the only source that references the CG thing, and I've no idea what the primary source is. It might be true, but that doesn't explain why Messerschmitt put swept wings on several other contemporary projects.

# ? May 4, 2018 14:10

KYOON GRIFFEY JR: Apr 12, 2010; Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

it looks rad

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Milo and POTUS: Sep 3, 2017; I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

MANime in the sheets posted:

I realize this is more obvious in hindsight and was a real concern at the time, I suspect the Allies would have been pretty happy in the long run for Germany to spend more resources on carriers than subs and LBA.

What's LBA?

e: oh, I guess land based aircraft?

# ? May 4, 2018 15:30

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