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Sockington posted:I’ve really been enjoying my 24” x 96” main workbench more that I put a tool tray on the backside. Makes clearing the table of common items so much faster and the most used stuff is always right there.
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Is this the right place to ask about refinishing used furniture? I'm looking to get a solid wood dining table off craigslist that needs a little work but I only have kind of a vague idea of what to look for. I know veneers can be more difficult and challenging to repair if they're hosed up so I'm looking only at solid wood surfaces. For a solid top is it generally just some combination of stripping/sanding/staining/sealing? These are two examples of what I've been looking at.  This looks sun damaged. Is the correct way to fix this stripping off the finish, restaining, and then resealing?  This one looks more like the finish is hosed up and needs to be stripped and likely just refinished? Are these good examples of what kind of issues solid tables might have and is my read on the remedy pretty close? Anything I can read up on to get a better idea of what to look for?
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Feb 2, 2023 19:54
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Hmm now I am wondering if just buy a vise and put an apron on my bench and kick the rest of project down road with the intention of reusing the vise in the future.
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Feb 2, 2023 21:26
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Sockington posted:I’ve really been enjoying my 24” x 96” main workbench more that I put a tool tray on the backside. Makes clearing the table of common items so much faster and the most used stuff is always right there. Have a picture of the tray? I really like the bench I built but I'm kicking myself for not making it longer so I could use a little extra real estate on it.
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Feb 2, 2023 21:48
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Bob Mundon posted:Have a picture of the tray? I really like the bench I built but I'm kicking myself for not making it longer so I could use a little extra real estate on it. It’s not really a tray - I might have oversold it. I had some space between the edge of the table and the wall so I made a small filler thing for it. Current state of mess:  Used to have a 2x2 as a stopper on the back of the bench. Pulled it out and put a 5” wide tray that over hangs off the back but sits 1/2” below the work surface so I can just push poo poo into the boxes when I need the room real quick.  When I ran the sag-ulator on the oak cross braces, they didn’t even flinch at 500 lbs on a single cross brace. I just wasn’t sure how that all played together once tied into the apron boards and then a top thrown on it too.
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Feb 2, 2023 22:06
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Teabag Dome Scandal posted:Is this the right place to ask about refinishing used furniture? I'm looking to get a solid wood dining table off craigslist that needs a little work but I only have kind of a vague idea of what to look for. I know veneers can be more difficult and challenging to repair if they're hosed up so I'm looking only at solid wood surfaces. For a solid top is it generally just some combination of stripping/sanding/staining/sealing? Totally stripping and refinishing is often the best solution if the finish is in bad shape, but it’s a really big mess and a pain in the butt. It needs to be done outside or somewhere with excellent ventilation, and most strippers work better in warmer temperatures. The ‘good stuff’ was recently taken out of strippers available to consumers in the US, and the current stuff doesn’t work all that well on alot or finishes. Depending on what the original finish is it can be very difficult to strip even with more industrial strippers. The modern conversion varnishes and fancy 2k polyurethanes used on alot of modern factory furniture are super tough. Once you’ve stripped it, it needs to be cleaned well with mineral spirits and/or lacquer thinner to remove any residual contaminants from the stripping process-especially any waxes or silicone from furniture polish, sanded lightly (or heavily, depending on condition), stained and refinished. There’s nothing fun about refinishing and you’re gonna spend $100 on materials at least to strip/refinish.
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Feb 2, 2023 22:24
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I'll just add that actual real shellac dissolves in alcohol, which is a benefit for stripping but also a major vulnerability for surfaces that people might spill alcoholic drinks on. So keep that in mind. Also if that isn't actually veneer but rather solid wood, there's one stripper that always works, good ol' 80 grit.
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Feb 2, 2023 22:58
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I bought the 50% off Ryobi Planer. Last year I was able to snag the 50% off Delta T2 table saw. Hoping that next year I can find a 50% off jointer and complete the holy trinity.
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Feb 2, 2023 23:28
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Teabag Dome Scandal posted:Is this the right place to ask about refinishing used furniture? I'm looking to get a solid wood dining table off craigslist that needs a little work but I only have kind of a vague idea of what to look for. I know veneers can be more difficult and challenging to repair if they're hosed up so I'm looking only at solid wood surfaces. For a solid top is it generally just some combination of stripping/sanding/staining/sealing? I'd get that second one (looks like cherry?) and just wipe it liberally with a clear oil like Watco. Let dry completely. Learn this one weird time-and-grief-saver trick a stay at home finisher uses. Honestly, it really is an old trick for renewing lacquer finishes. Maybe shellac too, I'm not sure on that. What I am sure of is stripping is nasty work.
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Feb 2, 2023 23:32
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I guess this goes here. Sat in my Eames replica this morning and it simply snapped.   I assume this is beyond repair, right?
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Feb 3, 2023 12:24
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:I guess this goes here.
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Feb 3, 2023 12:29
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I'm recovering from sinus surgery too so this also covered my face in blood which is pretty comical
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Feb 3, 2023 12:38
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:I'm recovering from sinus surgery too so this also covered my face in blood which is pretty comical post / username combo
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Feb 3, 2023 13:37
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:I guess this goes here. I would say your best option is to see if you can just buy a replacement lower back panel from the Eames factory or whatever. Alternatively make your own lower back panel, but that would take a significant investment in time and money if you're not already a woodworker. I don't think a simple repair would work. I mean you can try slathering it in a bunch of epoxy, but then every time you sit down you would be wondering is this the time it snaps again?
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Feb 3, 2023 14:06
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Because it's a replica I would need to make sure it's an exact match, which may not be possible. I did discover that this also happens with the real chairs though, and that there are companies that advertise fixing it, lmao:
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Feb 3, 2023 14:24
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:I guess this goes here. Yeah that’s not really repairable. Maaaaybe with a bunch of epoxy. Is it a Herman miller one or a knockoff? I think Herman miller usually has decent warranties
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Feb 3, 2023 16:49
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Knockoff. I might see if I can convince the company to send me a new shell and shock mount tho
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Feb 3, 2023 16:52
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Knockoff. I might see if I can convince the company to send me a new shell and shock mount tho Plywood should definitely not break like that unless you hit from the side real hard with a sledgehammer or somethin
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Feb 3, 2023 17:42
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:Plywood should definitely not break like that unless you hit from the side real hard with a sledgehammer or somethin hmm yeah. Even there, those are really clean breaks across the grain, aren't they? That looks like it was pinched between two boards and broken across them.
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Feb 3, 2023 17:44
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A quick look on google turned up a bunch of pictures of Eames chair which broke in exactly the same place and manner. So I'm guessing it's an inherent weak point in the design. Really sucks, because that's a nightmare to repair.
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Feb 3, 2023 18:53
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yeah that's a thin section of ply in shear stress and I'm gonna guess when you sit down hard you're putting several hundred pounds of shock force on it. The fact the ply has been curved may have additionally stressed the bits inside. It may have been cracked throughout the inner plies from the factory with only the veneer actually taking the weight. I would chalk it up to a design that was pretty but poorly engineered and look for a new different nice looking chair to sit in.
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Feb 3, 2023 19:23
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This vindicates all my bad opinions about how poorly built and designed much factory made midcentury modern furniture was.
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Feb 3, 2023 19:26
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This wouldn't have happened if they had used hide glue.
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Feb 3, 2023 19:33
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:This vindicates all my bad opinions about how poorly built and designed much factory made midcentury modern furniture was. I have to constantly fight with ~~designers~~ who don't understand why I can't make their brilliant vision work in reality because they have no concept of structural mechanics. Glad to know that isn't a new problem.
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Feb 3, 2023 19:37
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:Plywood should definitely not break like that unless you hit from the side real hard with a sledgehammer or somethin
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Leperflesh posted:yeah that's a thin section of ply in shear stress and I'm gonna guess when you sit down hard you're putting several hundred pounds of shock force on it. The fact the ply has been curved may have additionally stressed the bits inside. It may have been cracked throughout the inner plies from the factory with only the veneer actually taking the weight.
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Feb 3, 2023 21:00
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Tell us more about your gently caress chair.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:It's a cheap fake so I'm not that surprised that it failed. People own the genuine article for 50+ years with zero problems like this. But the chair is also not designed to sustain more than 300lb at a time and it had two people on it...vigorously...from time to time, so it's at least partially my fault? Maybe? Well Just Winging It said Just Winging It posted:A quick look on google turned up a bunch of pictures of Eames chair which broke in exactly the same place and manner. so it sounds like even the genuine article actually isn't "zero problems" either
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I have got one more project for my wife and then I do workbench fun time. Cosman’s bench is a very attractive option. I didn’t jump on that sweet ryobi deal, which makes the MDF top sound nice. Anyone built one? Are the video instructions worth the money($50)? I was initially thinking I would just buy the sketch up plans for $20.
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Feb 4, 2023 04:20
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:This vindicates all my bad opinions about how poorly built and designed much factory made midcentury modern furniture was. Eames stuff is basically fine as the slightly nicer-looking alternative to other lovely bottom-dollar molded plastic institutional furniture it was meant to be but the name got rich collector cachet so it's all $5000 now lmao A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Feb 4, 2023 |
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Feb 4, 2023 05:05
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Earlier today my order of veneers arrived from Certainly Wood, about 300 sq ft of various veneers, definitely way more than I need or perhaps will ever use, but looking forward to some fun projects regardless. 
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Feb 4, 2023 05:07
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Meow Meow Meow posted:Earlier today my order of veneers arrived from Certainly Wood, about 300 sq ft of various veneers, definitely way more than I need or perhaps will ever use, but looking forward to some fun projects regardless. You make some pretty amazing stuff.  Calidus posted:I have got one more project for my wife and then I do workbench fun time. Cosman’s bench is a very attractive option. I didn’t jump on that sweet ryobi deal, which makes the MDF top sound nice. Anyone built one? Are the video instructions worth the money($50)? I was initially thinking I would just buy the sketch up plans for $20. There’s also this one with a MDF top. If I didn’t need to store my drat kayak somewhere, this seems like a simple to do or even modular units. https://youtu.be/n4Z886Wb9l4
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Sockington posted:There’s also this one with a MDF top. If I didn’t need to store my drat kayak somewhere, this seems like a simple to do or even modular units. Oh that is nice, the legs/box being off center would make it nice for when I push it against a wall for storage
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I made Cosman's bench a few years back. It's been working great, my only regret is routing in the clamp tracks.
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Meow Meow Meow posted:Earlier today my order of veneers arrived from Certainly Wood, about 300 sq ft of various veneers, definitely way more than I need or perhaps will ever use, but looking forward to some fun projects regardless.
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Slugworth posted:Sounds like you've got enough extra to fix that other guy's imitation gently caress chair.  If you need any archtop guitar material, my local Lowe’s is stocked. A little too light to make hockey corner boards out of  
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Feb 4, 2023 14:08
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Perhaps we should glue up some layers of that and donate it to gently caress chair goon.
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Sockington posted:
That’s good enough for replacement glass when you’re waiting for the glass order to arrive though.
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Leperflesh posted:My guesstimate though is your four-legged 11' long bench could easily support a half ton pickup truck without deflecting so that's my gut feeling on the matter. What if I added a 4” thick torsion box below the main decking too.  This is just sitting with gravity for now -I’ll space them out and glue & screw it. together tomorrow when warmer. 5/8” dividers and 1/2” bottom sheet to attach it all together. Sandwich this between the two oak stringers afterwards and notch some legs into this. Toss the decking ontop afterwards. The braces sit 1/4” proud of the plywood.
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NomNomNom posted:I made Cosman's bench a few years back. It's been working great, my only regret is routing in the clamp tracks. Why do you regret routing the tracks? I'm about to make something similar to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvs2fQK2Eko
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