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punk rebel ecks posted:What would you say would be the best way to convert the American economy into coops? 
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Jazerus posted:besides you'll still get loads of people who want to work to live above the baseline and have lots of stuff, even if the baseline is very comfortable this is not at all "psychological effect of capitalism", it's an inherent human drive to pursue prestige and power and success, and it will never go away even in full communism frankly I'm fine with that because it's a big part of what drives innovation and advancement, but it needs to be monitored because otherwise you get donald trump and hillary clinton
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has the nyt ran even one pro medicare for all op ed besides bernie's? boosting conservative think tank ghouls left and right https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/910175685146181635
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SKULL.GIF posted:this is not at all "psychological effect of capitalism", it's an inherent human drive to pursue prestige and power and success, and it will never go away even in full communism what do you base this on
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SKULL.GIF posted:this is not at all "psychological effect of capitalism", it's an inherent human drive to pursue prestige and power and success, and it will never go away even in full communism that inherent human drive is amplified enormously by capitalism is my point yes of course there will be folks driven by ambition in full communism. but capitalism takes this tendency and drives it to extreme excess, such that the whole society is based around pursuit of these things. i don't really think everyone has that type of psychology. it might be hard to see that if you do have that type of psychology, just like biden talking about how jobs provide dignity and a place in the community and are an inherent human desire. that is true for some, not all.
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i mean yeah in the same sense that mcdonald's drives to extreme excess our innate taste for fats and sugars
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:has the nyt ran even one pro medicare for all op ed besides bernie's? boosting conservative think tank ghouls left and right zoom, enhance quote:Lanhee J. Chen (/ˈlænhiː tʃɛn/; Chinese: 陳仁宜; pinyin: Chén Rényí; Pe̍h-ōe-jī: Tân Jîn-gî; born July 4, 1978)[5] is an American policy expert, academic, and political commentator. Chen currently serves as the David and Diane Steffy Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution,[6] Director of Domestic Policy Studies and Lecturer in the Public Policy Program at Stanford University,[7] and Lecturer in Law at Stanford Law School.[8] He is also counsel at the law firm Arent Fox LLP.[9] Chen was a senior adviser to the 2016 presidential campaign of Senator Marco Rubio.[10] gently caress you lanhee 40 Under 40 2016: Micah Weinberg pulls together business, community leadership at Bay Area Council Economic Institute https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/blog/2016/03/40-under-40-2016-micah-weinberg-bay-area-council.html quote:What the company does: Bay Area think tank focused on economic and policy issues oh, i see. who funds this Bay Area Council Economic Institute? quote:The BACF funds its efforts through grants and contributions from government agencies, foundations, for-profit corporations, and others who share our commitment to building a better Bay Area. Specific funding at the Sustaining Partner level ($10,000 and up) to date has come from the following sources: ha ha ha gently caress this and gently caress you, micah jesus christ the NYT is little more than a slightly more restrained The Economist
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lol @ forums posters talkign about the innate human drive for prestige and achievement
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Sep 19, 2017 21:57
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:it's pretty important to remember Sanders also sucks in some respects  dems need policy, bernie gave them one thats it, thats all there is to it thats all dems need to do and they can't do it because they don't want the people's pulse you can suck on some ideology nut foreverially in yer little mind bubble fer all i care but i dont see you coming up with any better policy than what we can go for right now so gently caress off and keep it to yourself, nobody cares
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Sep 19, 2017 21:57
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Al! posted:lol @ forums posters talkign about the innate human drive for prestige and achievement have you never encountered the innate human drive for being right on the internet
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This talk of palin and gorka holding a rally reminds me the bama has a decent democrst candidste. anyone know how massive of a swing hed need to pull to somehow win it?
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Agean90 posted:This talk of palin and gorka holding a rally reminds me the bama has a decent democrst candidste. anyone know how massive of a swing hed need to pull to somehow win it? probably a vwery massive swing OP
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Failing New York Times is fake news
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Al! posted:lol @ forums posters talkign about the innate human drive for prestige and achievement capitalism is human nature. that's why everyone loves it
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:has the nyt ran even one pro medicare for all op ed besides bernie's? boosting conservative think tank ghouls left and right NYT editorial board delenda est
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Calibanibal posted:probably a vwery massive swing OP but how massive? 20pnts?? 30??? 69????
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also want to see how cucked the people of alabama are depending on the on reaction to pompous blowhard gorka
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probaly like at least 10 inches of swing or mroe
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Calibanibal posted:probaly like at least 10 inches of swing or mroe drat thats a lot of swing
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SKULL.GIF posted:inherent human I ain't never met anyone who has been able to pull off being inherently human
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Lastgirl posted:
i mean, just keeping myself within the scope of healthcare, nationalizing hospitals we don't give people fire coverage that pays for firefighters when their house catches on fire, we have fire departments
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thats bad the only acceptable bernie meme is bernie inserted into socialist realism portraits imho
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Jazerus posted:that inherent human drive is amplified enormously by capitalism is my point The caged bird has no desire to fly if the cage is all it has ever known. Cage has been bought for, as advertised, comfort as promised. Cage was not decided for bird, but bird agrees upon it. Bird thinks decision was bird's. Really cage's decision, since all Bird has ever seen is cage.  Bird is proud of this cage for a little while, has earned cage. But Bird grows bored of it eventually because all there is, is a cage. Leaving it is too uncertain. Only death is certain, but things are too comfortable to depart just yet. Bird ignores own time, makes little use of it because time is also bought and paid for, already decided by Cage. Bird spend time doing work, sleeping, eating. Finally Bird get bigger cage for time spent sleeping, eating, doing work. Bird can move around in cage more. Bird get bored after a while, already know all the spots in bigger cage because it is still a cage, only bigger. Bored, Bird wonders why Bird has no time for self. Only time for cage, making it bigger and bigger. Cage must be bigger, better, prettier. All purpose devoted to cage, where else time go? Death comes soon, but cage must represent Bird's time. Bird wants to make sure of this so cage must get bigger so that Bird would be remembered. Bird dies. Only cage is remembered, gigantic, ornate and pretty compared to Bird's empty deflated grey tiny husk. New bird comes into cage. Lastgirl has issued a correction as of 22:30 on Sep 19, 2017 |
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the bitcoin of weed posted:this is important I've been watching that Ken Burns PBS documentary about the Vietnam war and while over all is pretty good, every now and than them bring up the communists going around and killing landlords as a bad thing and it just rubs me the wrong way
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Taintrunner posted:40 Under 40 2016: Micah Weinberg pulls together business, community leadership at Bay Area Council Economic Institute oh, this guy https://twitter.com/mdweinberg/status/908473794834063360 https://twitter.com/mdweinberg/status/908476687582560258 https://twitter.com/mdweinberg/status/908478399433150465
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HELP HELP I'M BEING BERNIESPLAINED
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KomradeX posted:I've been watching that Ken Burns PBS documentary about the Vietnam war and while over all is pretty good, every now and than them bring up the communists going around and killing landlords as a bad thing and it just rubs me the wrong way Liberals are from another planet.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:i mean, just keeping myself within the scope of healthcare, nationalizing hospitals m8 it has to start somewhere, throw in these demands when there is momentum to keep pushing for it instead of huffing about one guy and not doing anything because of that one guy he has made it clear that there's no messiah complex compared to hillary who wants it, he has continuously included people to engage, and he knows that everyone has different opinions, but you have to start doing something somewhere to build on it. Lastgirl has issued a correction as of 22:43 on Sep 19, 2017 |
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privatized fire departments became a public service when capital realized that raging fires in urban areas got in the way of generating wealth for the capital holders i don't even know if that's true but going from my gut that's probably accurate
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Lastgirl posted:dems need policy, bernie gave them one To be completely fair, you could make the same argument regarding criticism of mainstream Dems (i.e. "who gives a poo poo if they have flaws, the Republicans are worse"). I think the more important point is that Bernie is still for the left of the rest of the party, and it doesn't make sense to focus criticism on him until his ideas both become mainstream and start to be actively pushed by the Democratic Party. Once half of all Democratic Senators are Bernie-equivalents or something, then it might make sense to try and push the Overton window even further.
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Taintrunner posted:privatized fire departments became a public service when capital realized that raging fires in urban areas got in the way of generating wealth for the capital holders it was after the great fires of chicago and boston bankrupted the fire insurance industry, making it hard for private fire brigades to get anyone to pay them at the rates they demanded
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Al! posted:what do you base this on are you suggesting that humans didn't try to become prestigious or try to accomplish great feats or try to acquire social dominance before capitalism or something
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz9PNoecNxU
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If you want to sledgehammer the whole system, start doing it but you're still sitting around waiting for the moment while everyone is comfortably humming along. But you know you can't because everything is disorganized and removed, so yer the only one at the time doing it instead of everyone else collectively so you just look like a unhappy self-serving loon. Instead all you are going to get is contempt  The only time that'll ever happen is in this modern day and age, that people's time left over are robbed, such as the internet they want to privatize. Widespread, and I mean widespread allover this gigantic country, (the biggest obstacle you have with hundreds of counties and towns/cities etc with their own individual issues and white noise infighting) inability to access clean water, food and other commodities should the US ever have its tradelines interrupted. Then you can start marching in the streets and dragging the bankers out of their mansions to the lampposts and guillotines that you love to fantasize as revenge for the fact that the system has screwed you over so many times. All of this didn't happen overnight, it's imperceptible. You need a screwdriver instead of a sledgehammer to dismantle the bolts and couplings in this system (that centrists love to talk about but never really do it because the system just works for them, they want to use the screwdriver to upgrade parts of it instead of removing the parts that are inefficient and just don't work). And if the screwdriver to remove the parts don't work, then you can sledge hammer those parts out. Instead of destroying the whole system and having everyone eat each other the gently caress alive. You will die too in this process because you are soft and pudgy from being inside this cage too, you are no different. Check your hubris  You idealize it, but yer still a loving agriculturist. Nomadic humans have better decision making processes and purposes in their life, enduring far greater hardships than you do sitting around on your computer bitching about how you like facebook leftists than c-spam leftists. Sounds like a first world problem to me  Just killing time making this post 
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ma'am please, this is FOOD RESTAURANT JOKE
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I posted about this in the nazi thread but gently caress gently caress gently caress. This is just absurd.
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:] I'm jest killin' time in Cedar Rapids!
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