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Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

You're quite good at turning me on.

Harmonica posted:

Someone explain to me the obsession with Criterions, and the high prices. I've watched a whole bunch of them and the larger part are average-to-good transfers, quite a few are muddy and horrible, and only a few (The Rock, Naked Lunch) are amazing.

Seems a bit too hit or miss for a brand that's meant to resound with quality.

Well obviously the transfers for The Rock or Naked Lunch would be better, they are more recent films. Take a look at the DVD Beaver comparison for the new Seven Samurai, and don't tell me that you don't think the new transfer isn't anything short of incredible. The transfers on the older Criterions may be inferior (Branded to Kill is almost impossible to watch) but those were back in the late 90's. And if there is a lovely Criterion DVD, they will rerelease it, and it will be harder, better, faster, stronger.
Of all these Criterions that you watched, did you just watch the film itself and nothing else? The vast majority of them are absolutely packed with extras. Brazil, for example, has an alternate version of the film besides making-of featurettes. Two of my Criterions (The Vanishing and Sword of Doom) have no extras besides trailers, but I don't mind because the films are great on their own, and without Criterion I highly doubt that I'd have been able to see them.

As for the high prices, I would say it's due to the fact that Criterion isn't some major corporation, and so much more effort goes into making a Criterion DVD presentable compared to a normal one.
Wikipedia sez:

quote:

Criterion releases are aimed at the higher end of the market, customers who are willing to pay a higher price in return for a quality product. The price range as of 2006 is about US$30 for a one-disc set and US$40 for a two-disc set. Whether this pricing structure is due to increased costs necessary to ensure the best possible film elements and extras and to compensate for a smaller market for the titles it releases, or whether it is a means to capitalize on the cachet of its reputation has been debated. With an emphasis on quality over quantity, only a comparatively few films have been selected to be 'saved' by them.
The price may be influenced by the packaging. Criterion rejects flimsy cases and single-spine double disc boxes. Each disc is given its own chamber on multiple-disc editions (sometimes even their own separate snap case, like Brazil). Oftentimes, decorative sleeves and thick booklets accompany the movies.
Besides, you can buy them much cheaper online at stores like deep discount dvd, especially when there's a sale. I buy them in bulk :) And when you've got a bunch of them sitting on your shelf, they totally beat the poo poo out of the other DVDs by looks alone.

Cacator fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Oct 16, 2006

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Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

You're quite good at turning me on.

Clean, Shaven looks interesting, but is it worth getting?

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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rgaitan posted:

I'm wondering why there are no Sidney Lumet films in the Criterion collection? They can't deem to suggest that Dog Day Afternoon and Network aren't significant.
It's not like Criterion can just pick up any movie they want and make a DVD out of it. That's why some titles go out of print, because Criterion loses the rights to the film. I don't know the specifics, but it's probably a studio ownership thing.

I posted:

Clean, Shaven looks interesting, but is it worth getting?
Nobody knows or has it? DOES THIS MEAN IT'S BAD?!?!!!?!!!!

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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quote:

For the very few of you who have written that you’ll never buy another Criterion disc with the new logo

Goddamn, people can be stupid dicks. WAAH THE LOGO CHANGED, CRITERION IS loving US AGAIN!!

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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Og Oggilby posted:

Criterion has amended their listing for the new 2-disc SE of The Third Man. They're now listing three additional supplements: a second commentary with Steven Soderbergh and Tony Gilroy, an hour-long documentary on Graham Greene (from BBC's Omnibus), and a 30 min. German documentary "Who Was the Third Man?"

Oh gently caress. I was going to double-dip for sure before, but now you'd have to kill me for me to choose otherwise.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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Peaceful Anarchy posted:

You can preorder them at a discount at http://www.dvdplanet.com

Which is incidentally the same company as DeepDiscount, although the shipping is more expensive.

lastclearchance posted:

Certainly not! I am merely making oblique reference to the fact that the man who identifies the killer (whom I always think of as "M" because of the chalk mark and also because I can never remember the character's name) is blind, and thus has not seen M, but has heard things. Which, if you are a fan of Grieg, might be considered "good".

Don't you think that's an incredibly vague thing to find funny?

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

You're quite good at turning me on.

Cacator posted:

Which is incidentally the same company as DeepDiscount, although the shipping is more expensive.

Well DeepDiscount doesn't ship to Canada anymore so gently caress them. I need some recommendations, however: What is better for a blind buy, The Man Who Fell to Earth, Man Bites Dog, or Night and the City? I'm not really that familiar with Roeg (I've seen part of Don't Look Now) or the guys who did Man Bites Dog, and the only Dassin I've seen is The Naked City (decent, not noirish enough for my taste), but I'm in the mood for something different.

edit: personally I'm leaning towards The Man Who Fell to Earth but I've read so many mixed reviews that it's making it hard for me to decide.

Cacator fucked around with this message at 08:57 on Mar 9, 2007

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

You're quite good at turning me on.

I decided to go with Man Bites Dog, considering I've been meaning to see it for a while and the other two just sort of popped up while browsing. I also ordered Bob le Flambeur (backordered), The Phantom of Liberty, Naked Lunch, and Traffic.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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Slackerish posted:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm prettty sure that if you stop the movie right after they float out of the bed into the sky you get the Love Conquers all ending. They may have cut out other stuff before that though, I dunno.

What do you mean? The Love Conquers All version is a completely different cut of the film, edited differently, using different takes, and removing a ton of poo poo. It's not just the ending. The entire film is ruined.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

You're quite good at turning me on.

dpvtank posted:

I just bought Kurosawa's Ran on Criterion (my first Criterion DVD) and I don't regret it one bit. Having said that, I had to buy it from the US for a cheaper price and get it shipped here. Even that cost less than what I would have had to pay here in Canada.

Does anyone know much about DDD's shipping prices to Canada? I couldn't seem to find a Canada specific store for DDD.

DDD doesn't ship to Canada anymore. They used to, and they had a separate Canadian site. When I ordered from the US site, it took weeks to get here but otherwise I had little problems. When I ordered from the Canadian site, I got my stuff in days. I ordered from DVD Planet this time around, which I think is the same company (they have the same stock and have the same sales) but you pay a bit more for shipping ($3.75 per order + $0.75 per disc). Ultimately it made little difference because they usually have coupons you can use to negate the shipping costs.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

You're quite good at turning me on.

dpvtank posted:

Is this price in Canadian Dollar or USD (I'm assuming USD)? I couldn't seem to find anything more about pricing on the website. And tell me more about these coupons. I'm about to make my first purchase from DVD Planet, and a coupon code would do me a world of good.

Taken from an email I got:

quote:

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MARCH2007 $5 OFF $50
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EXPIRE 3/31/2007

quote:

The DVD Planet Frequent Buyers Club is the great new way to earn dollars against your DVDPlanet.com orders! It's so simple: you earn one DVDPLANET point per
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So yeah, not a bad deal. Prices are in USD. I got my movies today and they shipped on the 17th, therefore they were about a billion times faster than when I ordered with DDD (I think I waited 4 weeks one time)

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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Og Oggilby posted:

Weird, CriterionDVD's cover has a orange-red background instead of the photo.

Not anymore, though that would look a bit better (not a fan of the font, though).

Also The Third Man reissue is out today, meaning I'll have to find a way to get rid of my old one.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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These loving sales always bring out the most indecisiveness in me. I have the old Third Man, is the new one worth getting on extras alone? I didn't buy the reissue of Brazil because everything except the packaging and transfer were the same as the old one. Or should I buy The Battle of Algiers? I loved the movie but 3 discs seems a bit excessive (unlike Brazil which had a separate cut of the film).

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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schwrzsnn posted:

I've been meaning to expand my Criterion selection beyond Kurosawa and Bergman for some time now. Mouchette and Fire on the Plains seem to be up my alley, so I've taken the plunge on those. Any other recommendations as far as hopeless, bleak films go? My favorites are Apocalypse Now, Aguirre Wrath of God and The Seventh Seal, if that helps.

I've mentioned The Vanishing over and over again on this board in a vain attempt to get it more attention, but it perfectly fits your definition of "hopeless" and "bleak" and then some. Just make sure to get the Criterion version and not the remake.

edit: I also watched The Man Who Fell to Earth recently and it has by far one of the best non-HD transfers I've ever seen (although I was watching it on an HD player so it was upconverted). Also, does anyone know why Criterion crops the image on the sides on some fullscreen movies, like the reissued The Third Man DVD?

Cacator fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Sep 1, 2007

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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r-lam posted:


Brazil (142-minute director's cut)

I don't like it when people have to mention a "director's cut," Gilliam's version was the one that was released and the one that everybody saw. Although different versions appear on TV (like the "My God, it works!" line)

And since we're all posting our collections:

Seven Samurai (reissue)
Branded to Kill
Brazil (old 3-disc set)
Yojimbo (reissue)
The Third Man (reissue, but I still have the old one)
Discreet Charm of the Bourgoisie
The Vanishing
Rashomon
8 1/2
Bob le Flambeur
Traffic
Man Bites Dog
Band of Outsiders
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
Le Cercle Rouge
Naked Lunch
Videodrome
Sword of Doom
F for Fake
The Phantom of Liberty
The Man Who Fell to Earth
Le Samourai

I usually buy mine in bulk from DeepDiscount or DVD Planet whenever they have sales, as they are excessively expensive in Canada. I will get Battle of Algiers and La Jetee/Sans Soleil next.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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SubG posted:

I mean, if Criterion is going to start poaching material from Anchor Bay, I'd way rather they pick up the Django films than the Evil Dead films.

If that's the case then I would definitely want some Herzog on Criterion. Maybe a reissue of Aguirre will not have the " *** - Video Movie Guide" quote on the case.

SubG posted:

Or how about a blacksploitation set from Criterion (I'd pay a lot for a Criterion Coonskin (1975) or Boss friend of the family (1975))?
Just imagine the cover art!!

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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FitFortDanga posted:


Note the lack of a Criterion banner. I wonder if this means a new line of family films, or shorts.
Or maybe CRITERION IS DISBANDING ALTOGETHER!!!!! AAAAHHHH

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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GBS movie threads are usually full of people who don't know that this forum exists anyway.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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Mu Zeta posted:

I'm selling some of mine if any of you are interested

Seven Samurai remastered 3 disc $20
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas $20
La Haine $25
Rushmore $22
The Third Man remastered $25
Army of Shadows $26
Brazil remastered 3 disc $45



Is it because they are all reversed? :wth: Those are some major quality control oversights by Criterion.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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The Bacon God posted:

It looks like the picture was taken in a mirror.

But that makes even less sense. Why hold them up to a mirror and take a picture when you could lay them on a shelf or floor and take the picture?

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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But why just not leave it normal?! WHY?!!

I'll shut up now. I really want to get Antonio Gaudi.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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Christ. I might have to end up buying The Third Man for the THIRD loving time, as well as rebuying Chungking Express and The Man Who Fell to Earth and I just know I won't be able to resist For All Mankind or The Last Emperor or Contempt in hi-def. Thanks for emptying my wallet Criterion, you loving bastards.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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luigionlsd posted:

This has to be some of the greatest news ever. I've had HD DVD since December 2006 and BD since March 2007... so I've done my share of waiting for good titles. Once they break out the big guns like Kurosawa, Bunuell and Bergman, the tables will definitely turn... at least with the niche crowd! Sure will be a fun year coming up!

I don't think Bunuel films would really benefit from HD transfers, they aren't very interesting visually. The older ones a bit more so, but some of my Criterions I'm content to leave as is. The Man Who Fell to Earth already has a fantastic transfer so I can't think of the bluray one being anything but spectacular or only moderately better (unlikely). But GODDAMN THEM for re-releasing The Third Man AGAIN!!!

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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Recommendations needed for DeepDiscount/DVD Planet sale:

Does anyone have the William Klein eclipse set? It sounds obscure (even by Criterion standards) and bizarre enough to be very interesting.

I'd like to add another Bunuel to my collection, should it be The Milky Way or That Obscure Object of Desire? For the record I already own Discreet Charm and Phantom of Liberty and I've seen Viridiana, L'Age d'or, Un Chien Andalou and Exterminating Angel (my favourite).

And is Army of Shadows as good as everyone says it is? I own the first three Melvilles in the collection.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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Yeah. I feel like I should be branching out in what I watch but I can't help but return to old favourites.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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Magic Hate Ball posted:

It's always great when a Criterion comes with the novel. Short Cuts has a book with all the Carver short stories the movie contains. It's interesting to see how they translated and hooked together (and makes the film that much more interesting).


I doubt it. Hopefully, if anything, they'll help get everyone else to stop it with the awful Blu-Ray packaging.

The Man Who Fell to Earth also comes with the book it's based on, which incidentally is one of their Blu-ray releases.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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Having just recently watched Army of Shadows (along with 3 other Criterions I ordered during the 20% off sale, goddamn them for tempting me again) any more Melville is a good thing. And the Missing cover art is pretty cool. Is Costa-Gavras one name or two?

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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I could never get through Rushmore because Jason Schwartzman's face and voice really, really bother me.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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The Man Who Fell to Earth doesn't seem to come with the original novel like the old one did. I'll be picking up Chungking Express and The Last Emperor for sure, and I already have The Man Who Fell to Earth and The Third Man (sold the first edition, bought the reissue) but chances are I'll be buying these ones too :( I'm hoping they will pick up Fallen Angels as well, which I liked more than Chungking Express.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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The Milky Way I can't really see being liked by non-Catholics or basically anyone not familiar with Catholic dogma or theology. I liked it, thought it was interesting, but definitely not a beginner Bunuel and it's not so outwardly entertaining.

Similar with Sans Soleil, La Jetee is unforgettable but I think you have to be in the right mood for Sans Soleil.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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That's Kurosawa. Tsk, tsk.:nyd:

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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Holy poo poo, I think I might have seen White Dog when I was very young, unless there are a lot of dogs-trained-to-attack-black-people movies out there.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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STEVIE B 4EVA posted:



OH poo poo GUYS

(Exterminating Angel)

YEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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I'm just wondering what it was about early-80's downtown Toronto in Videodrome that was so attractive to someone that would make them want to move to Canada, even if you ignore all the hallucinations and human cancer blobs.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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Debbie Harry isn't Canadian, but the soft-core porn is still there, just not as much as you'd probably want (limited to Showcase in my experience).

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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Some of them are already older movies. I don't think they'll begin transporting the entire line over for quite some time, just picking and choosing for now.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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I think I read somewhere that Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas was one of, if not the top seller for them. It was the first one I bought, for one thing. Then it became an addiction. An expensive, pretentious addiction.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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Is Missing worth picking up? I haven't seen a Costa-Gavras yet.

Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

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The MGM DVD for Wings of Desire is pretty good already, although my copy gets hosed up when Bruno Gans meets up with Columbo. So I would probably pick up a blu-ray version.

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Cacator
Aug 6, 2005

You're quite good at turning me on.

I'm a little disappointed in the cover art for the two Bunuels but I wasn't expecting them to put out Simon of the Desert too so I can't really complain.

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