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Crossposting from the Small Questions thread because y’all might be better equipped to answer some of these questions. To clarify, the stuff I’m recording are basically existing songs from iTunes/Amazon Music/Youtube and the like, to HOPEFULLY split them up into easier-to-hear components, for the end purpose of arranging/transcribing them for other instruments more accurately than if I just play a whole song and try to pick every instrument/part and every note out with my ears alone. Pokey Araya posted:
Now, I’m assuming I need to use a microphone to record songs into this Melodyne thing, and that I need to use a mic of a certain quality to make Melodyne’s job of splitting up a song’s various parts easier. Are there any particular mics that are better suited to this than others, or will any mic work as long as it isn’t super lovely? And is there anything else I should consider getting to improve the quality of my recordings so the splitting and sound quality are better? Also does my computer need to have any particular specs? I can’t recall the exact make of my current computer, but I believe it’s a Dell Inspiron with a 4th-generation Intel i5 or i7 processor. I got it in January 2016 and replaced the hard-drive with a 500GB SATA SSD that I also can’t remember the exact make of, but it was the most highly recommended make by the PC-building goons in SH/SC at that time (I think I can look up the make in my system settings; if I find it I’ll post it here in a bit).
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HELLO THREAD I am back after a several-months-long absence to once again ask questions about track-splitting and this thing called Melodyne. So awhile back, some of y’all may remember I came in here and posted the following... I. M. Gei posted:Crossposting from the Small Questions thread because y’all might be better equipped to answer some of these questions. d0grent posted:just upload your songs to melody.ml or splitter.ai and you can get automatically separated tracks. I ended up trying both of these programs on a few different songs. One of them seemed to work just kinda okay, while the other one (I can’t remember exactly which one, as it was several months ago) actually did a pretty alright job of splitting up the parts so I could hear them individually. In fact it worked better than I expected it to. I was impressed. SO, fast-forward to now. I’m finally in the process of buying a much-needed new laptop that I’m gonna install Finale on as soon at it arrives. I’m also planning to run the free 30-day trial of Melodyne on it, but obviously once that trial period starts, the clock is gonna start ticking on how long I can do stuff with it before I have to pay an assload of money to use it again. So in light of that, I’d like to go ahead and get an idea of what to expect out of it now. Which brings me to my first question. Like I said above, those free track splitters d0grent posted (or at least one of them) did a great job of separating songs into their individual parts...... or rather, they did a great job of separating songs into FOUR OR FIVE parts. Those parts being: • Drums • Bass • Vocals • Piano and/or Keyboards (only one of the splitters did this part, and I forgot which one it was) • “Other” (i.e. Everything that doesn’t fit into any of those other categories, like guitars, wind instruments, violins, etc., all crammed together into one single part) I’m wondering if Melodyne — ANY version of Melodyne — can split songs into any more parts than just those five listed above. Even if I have to do some kind of advanced-level tedious fancy rear end sound selection/isolation/manipulation poo poo to make it work good. Or if it’s just gonna work about the same as the free stuff. Again, I’m not expecting miracles here at all! I know that no track-splitting program or AI therein, no matter how advanced, is ever gonna be able to split up all of the individual instruments/parts in a song perfectly. I’m just wondering if maybe Melodyne can do anything more/better than free stuff like melody.ml or splitter.ai can, and if so, what. Also regardless of whether or not Melodyne can do the splitting thing better, I’m probably still gonna get the 30-day trial, if only so that if I DO actually manage to arrange something decent, and I need a recording of real live people playing it with real live instruments, I can take separate recordings of indivdual people playing each instrument/part separately, and then combine them all together in Melodyne to make a whole song (since the covid plague makes that about the only way I’d be able to make full song recordings at the moment). Melodyne can do that sort of thing too, right? I. M. Gei fucked around with this message at 08:50 on Jun 11, 2020 |
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Jazz Marimba posted:a bunch of yoooooo can you maybe hook me up with some of this music theory/writing know-how? I don’t mean actually look at or correct anything I write (I’d prefer goons not see any of that until after it’s finished and I know for sure whether or not it sounds good). I’m wondering if you have any, like, good books or online resources or Youtube videos on how to “correctly” write music. Especially percussion parts, as I know less than jack poo poo about percussion music... I’ve only ever written music for trumpet, and even that was just short little video game tunes and some school band music I copied into Finale to hear what it sounded like. I’ve been a horn player for more than half my life and I still don’t know what the various keys and scales are called.
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Holy poo poo it's been 4 years since I last posted in this thread.  What hosting site(s) do y'all use for posting songs in this thread? I'm working on a transcription and I've got a track that I need some help fixing.
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nitsuga posted:https://vocaroo.com is pretty good for that sort of thing. Thank you! Anyway this is basically a hail mary, but I'm trying to transcribe a song for marching band and right now I'm working on writing the bass part for sousaphone. However I've tried splitting the track a bunch of ways using 3 different splitting tools and the bass part sounds like sour rear end on all of them. It always comes out distorted, and oftentimes notes are either inaudible or missing entirely. The cleanest bass split I've gotten so far was from the Moises app, and even that's too distorted to make out articulations clearly, although at least I can make out (most of) the actual notes. Both melody.ml and splitter.ai (with AND without cutoffs) sound like dogshit; the melody.ml split is cleaner but has other instruments mixing in with the bass, and the splitter.ai ones are almost unusable with how distorted they are and how hard the lower notes are to hear (although my iPhone speaker probably isn't helping the latter). Here are all of the split bass tracks I'm working with right now. I've never used Vocaroo before so I don't know how long these'll stay up. Also I uploaded the Moises tracks using 2 filetypes because I don't know if that makes a difference or not (I'm still really new at this). • Moises (mp3): https://voca.ro/16brkS6j7HOm • Moises (m4a): https://voca.ro/1l8kts5P7dty • melody.ml: https://voca.ro/1f7pbeKjtrap • splitter.ai (without cutoffs): https://voca.ro/16KDGIK55pnc • splitter.ai (with cutoffs): https://voca.ro/1f5TIXqLxBUM I'm wondering if there's another song-splitting tool out there that might give me a clearer bass track to work with? Free or paid, I don't really care. Or maybe a trick I haven't tried to clean up the bass splits I have now? I haven't tried anything super fancy or expensive like Melodyne yet  , even though I mentioned wanting to tinker with that the last time I posted here. Right now I'm wondering if there's a cheaper solution to my problem that doesn't require a 30-day free trial of some mega rear end overkill studio poo poo like that although I may end up loving around with it when I get to transcribing the percussion, which is..... a whole other nightmare I'm not ready or learned enough to deal with today.
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I. M. Gei posted:Thank you! Well I may have just ended up answering my own question. It turns out Moises has a "Hi-Fi" splitting option for a $30/month subscription fee that I didn't see before. I ran my song through that and it split the bass track a lot more cleanly, or at least de-gunk-ified it enough that I can hear actual articulations now. So that works for the time being. Now I'm having trouble picking out individual notes in chords, although I don't know if there's a solution for that outside of actual software (or just getting good at chords, although a lot of the chords in this particular song are pretty wonky). I. M. Gei fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Mar 12, 2024 |
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Apologies for the triple post, but I've been working at this for an entire day and made about as much progress as I can on my own, and now I need to farm the rest out to goons who know audio software.I. M. Gei posted:Now I'm having trouble picking out individual notes in chords, although I don't know if there's a solution for that outside of actual software (or just getting good at chords, although a lot of the chords in this particular song are pretty wonky). Okay this is officially a headache and I need help.  So the song I'm transcribing has about 9 bars with a bunch of trumpet stings scattered throughout. The stings are all harmonies of two or three notes each, and I can only (barely) make out the highest notes on each of them. I have two problems. The first is that I'm having trouble ID-ing the lower notes in the stings, and so is the tuning app I'm using (Tonal Energy). The second is that there's a bunch of other noise in the split track with the stings that's making the process harder. Moises has a feature that can split out wind music specifically from a song, which is awesome, but for some reason when it split these bars it dumped all of the trumpet stings into the "Other" track instead of the "Winds" track, so there's a bunch of drums and cowbell and piano and poo poo mixed in with the stings. Is there a piece of software (or I guess an app) that can help me identify the lower harmony notes in these loving stings? Or that can filter out all the riffraff sounds in my track so I can hear the stings better? OR would any of y'all with better ears than mine be willing to listen to these bars and try to help me pick out these lower notes?
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Stoca Zola posted:Could you just post the original version of the song that you’ve been feeding into these processes so there’s some context? I usually sit with a keyboard playing along with a song and do stuff by ear but I have no idea if I’d be capable of hearing the parts you’re having trouble with. Sure, I can do that! I'll post the split tracks I'm working with too, so y'all can see what I'm working with. The song is Motownphilly by Boyz II Men. The full song: https://voca.ro/1d9HzWakj7TLThose first 9 bars at the beginning are what I'm working on right now, right before the start of the first chorus. The combined "Winds" and "Other" splits: https://voca.ro/14wkghp1D11DThis has all of the wind parts in it, but there's other instruments mixed in it too that went into the "Other" split. Just the "Other" split: https://voca.ro/1kUUGSso3lHlTHIS is where all those trumpet stings from the first 9 bars ended up, along with some percussion and piano. Those stings are what I need help identifying the lower notes on. The upper notes are super splatty and out-of-tune, but as far as I can guess they're most likely E5's and a couple of either F5's or F#5's (i.e. E's and F's/F#'s above the staff on trumpet). All 3 of those notes tend to be very fucky tuning-wise on trumpet, so it's possible they're all meant to be the same note but got played out of tune during the original recording. Just the "Winds" split: https://voca.ro/15hJwHQdz9c5The rest of the winds. I'm not having any trouble with this stuff yet, although I've only worked on the first few phrases so far. I. M. Gei fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Mar 13, 2024 |
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CaptainViolence posted:i think part of the problem is that the horn stab may not be an actual trumpet. it sounds to me like an "orchestral hit" sound bank like from a yamaha of some sort that was all over a bunch of 80s/90s stuff like "owner of a lonely heart" by yes: Flipperwaldt posted:It does sound a lot like the ORCH5 sample of the Fairlight, which itself apparently is sampled from Stravinsky's Firebird Suite. Okay, thank y'all both...... I want to put a pin in these posts for now, because they answer a lot of questions I had about this song and at least a couple of others I planned to make scores for later, but they also raise several other questions that my head just hurts too much to ask right now so I'd like to move onto another topic... I've managed to write out more than half of the score for sousaphone and 1st trumpet. That covers the bass line and a good chunk of the trumpet accompaniment, so I'm making progress. However I need parts for three trumpets and not just one, so I need to somehow conjure two more trumpet parts out of thin air, and I don't know DICK-ALL about chords. I might be able to take the 1st part down an octave, lose the stabs, and use that for my 3rd trumpet part, but what the hell should I do about the 2nd trumpet part? What notes and/or chords would blend in a way that emulates the original song? Also I'd like to start working a little bit on the piano accompaniment, but the instrumentation I'm writing this for doesn't have a pit section and can't use an actual piano. What combination of marching wind instruments sounds the most like a piano? I was thinking some mix of clarinet and/or sax, but do y'all have any ideas?
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I do have my heart set on transcribing this myself, yes. It kinda bums me out a little bit to even see another transcription, although I know they exist.
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What is Reaper? I've seen it mentioned in this thread but haven't ever used it myself. Is it good for identifying notes and chords and things in a track, or is it more for original composition?
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JeffLeonard posted:Have you tried Transcribe? It's an inexpensive little program that does a pretty good job of identifying notes & chords, and can isolate instruments with varying levels of success. Google shows several programs called Transcribe. Which one are you referring to?
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JeffLeonard posted:Transcribe! from Seventh String Software I can give that a try. Right now I'm working on the piano part. I think I've identified the upper notes in the chords but the lower ones are giving me some trouble, and I'm having some issues telling how long the notes are. As far as I can tell it's a 4-bar repeating loop, but the note lengths aren't very consistent and the track split isn't too clean.
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Well I went to download Transcribe!, only to discover I had already downloaded it years ago and just never used it. So I updated to the most recent version.  However, it too is having trouble making heads or tails of these notes, and a big part of the reason why is because the piano splits I have just aren't very clean to start with. Here's what I'm working with. Regular piano split: https://voca.ro/14LYRHNnP6zM Hi-Fi piano split: https://voca.ro/1ieOivjiukTz So far, all I've managed to gather is that it's a 4-bar repeated phrase, with 4 note-chords in each of the first 3 bars and 5 in the last one, give or take. I've identified the highest notes in each chord, but I'm still having trouble with the lower ones, and Transcribe! has a lot of guesses as to what the chords *might be* but can't seem to pin them down very well. I'd imagine the loops were all meant to be about the same, maybe with a tweak here and there. I've tried slowing the splits down on both Transcribe! and Moises, and apart from helping me ID the lead notes it hasn't helped much. Even the note lengths aren't very clear, although it's a fairly common swing-16th rhythm. The lead notes basically go like this: Bar 1: D3, D3, D3, D3 Bar 2: D3, D3, D3, D3 (occasionally this bar starts on a lower pickup note) Bar 3: G2, G2, G2, G2 (the first note in this bar is almost always really hard to hear) Bar 4: G2, G2, A2, C#3, C#3 If anyone can help me identify those lower piano notes I'd really appreciate it. EDIT: Moises has a feature that uses AI to guess at the chords for each part of a song, although it only does it for the whole entire song and not just the split-up parts of it.  Based on the chords shown during the first two piano loops, this is my best guess at what the piano notes are right now:  I'm not 100% sure if the lowest notes should be there or not, since it almost sounds like they're omitted in the splits. Comments? Suggestions? Any better guesses than this? I. M. Gei fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Mar 19, 2024 |
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My free 30-day Transcribe! trial ran out a few days ago. It..... helped a little bit at figuring out the piano notes and finding some vocal chord notes, mostly in the main chorus, but only in very specific spots. Most of the time it couldn't seem to pin down anything at all, and I'm still missing a bunch of chords in the first and second verses. Maybe there were noise and overtones messing it up? Of course I probably wasn't using it to its full potential either. I might've liked to be able to filter out some of the riff-raff in my tracks to make the actual notes easier to spot. Is there another piece of music software out there I could try that might do a better job at finding chord notes than Transcribe!, even if it costs money? What, if anything, could I theoretically get out of a software that's more advanced/costs more $$$ than Transcribe? I. M. Gei fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Apr 22, 2024 |
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