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PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

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Wait. It has the lizard apostle, not the count. Where'd they get that? I was gonna start watching the anime but had some technical difficulties last weekend. Now I'll have to look just to see if they've taken the anime as the source material for that video.

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PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

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U-DO Burger posted:

what on earth are you going on about, the whole thing was just pulled from chapter 1
Did you watch the video? Did you happen to notice the vampire-looking apostle eating meat off a plate with a knife and fork? That's in the anime, episode 1. It's not in chapter 1.


vvvv Perhaps I stand corrected. Doing a bit more looking...

I've never seen this in BW form before! They claim it's in book 14...

I guess there's some serious retconning going on here.

PhantomOfTheCopier fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Jan 18, 2019

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!
Well like I said, I was getting ready to rewatch then reread it (delayed due to technical difficulties), but I didn't know it was this bad. :psypop:

The prototype I remember and indeed have here and it's not Vlad Tepes. That's the one with the eye patch and such.

Sheesh well thanks for the patience.


Edit: :eng99: I have no excuse nor explanation, and only one small speculation for what may have happened here. I sincerely apologise for the difficultly I've caused, especially since Black Swordsman is one of the two best arcs.

PhantomOfTheCopier fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Jan 18, 2019

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!
It seems to come down to Casca at this point. Guts losing Casca might cause him to rampage again, or he might disappear into the hills (and stumble on Rickert's hiding place). (I'll have to look back at the dream, "This is how she really sees Guts").

If the experience has made her stronger, she may decide to pick back up her sword. On the other hand, it's more boilerplate for them to decide they've had enough, Guts to get killed when Griffith invades, and Casca to then start up the rampage that ultimately skewers Griffith.

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!
Keep in mind that people don't really use a Behelit; it's fated to arrive coincident with their despair, which activates it. Of all the people now in Gut's party, the most likely to despair is Casca; I still think it's hers.

Now, what happens on activation when the planes are already merged? It doesn't seem we have much (any) evidence for that. We certainly know where most of the apostles are, but the Godhand are seemingly still locked away unless there's a particularly evil spot they can seep through.

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!

skasion posted:

If you’ve got the brand you’re exempt from fate (at the cost of being a demon magnet forever) right? I think the logic is that that prevents you from being the fated user of a behelit
Skull Knight misses Griffith with a Behelit Sword that he's been constructing forever, bringing about Griffiths grand vision, and you think fate is simplistic and linear? When we know that there's more than one type of Behelit, it seems far fetched to assume that all are off limits.

Also: Witch lady purposefully doesn't answer his questions about it. Hmmm.

PhantomOfTheCopier fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Apr 5, 2019

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

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Ruflux posted:

:smithicide: Berserk is drat well one of the hardest things to read casually because the only way to avoid feeling like poo poo about the stuff that goes on is to have an aura of cynical detachment on you at all times and that in itself is miserable.
Naaa, this view is itself fairly cynical. Corkus got his vision of loveliness. Others die in battle (how else would they want to go out?). Apostles gotta eat. Go back and look at how happy they are.

A great banquet is meant to be enjoyed.

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

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Josuke Higashikata posted:

I think if Miura had time travel to change how he did things, the opening of Berserk would be wildly different to the point of it sharing basically no panels.
And you don't like Lost Children either, amirite? What's wrong with him using a little entrapment on that apostle? Surely he never uses anyone as bait around that time of the story. Except oh that kid in Lost Children, and using his hand to trap miss pointy later.

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!
Crowning Griffith is gonna be at least three chapters of flowing hair.

Hmm, I wonder what all the chompy apostles (in the arena) will do once Griffith becomes respectable.

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!

Torquemadras posted:

It's the shot of the burning refugee camp forming a giant brand of sacrifice. HOLY poo poo, THIS IS HELL
Third time's the charm. I wonder if Falconia is shaped like a brand :laugh:

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

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lezard_valeth posted:

Ok, I finished the Tower of Conviction arc. And I think I agree in that it's been the best arc so far.
Are you actually reading it? You're moving faster than Guts out of the pit of despair.

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

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verbal enema posted:

Just reached the Eclipse chapters after marathoning it for a day and goddamn

also goddamn some translations on mangadex are ROUGH
Is this your first read?

If so, friendly reminder for Everyone To Spoiler tag.



Edit: I was going to reread earlier this year but things conspired against me. I might get to start up here in the next couple months. A few new chapters might help me get started.

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

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Patrick Spens posted:

I reading back through again, and I forgot how crazy Guts was during Lost Children. Like dude, chill.

After Black Swordsman, Lost Children is Berserk epitomized. He's the perfect focus of rage, minus some of the angst in Swordsman. He has his weapon and knows how to use it and learns about self sacrifice along the way. We get to see real apostles and the development of his fighting style.

Meanwhile there's a fairly consistent thread regarding the nature of the world and the appeal of the Godhand, apostlehood, and how to "live".

I'm sure I'll have more positives when I start reading it again soon(ish).

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!
Double post. Too bad.

lezard_valeth posted:

Ok, calling it for tonight in chapter 287.
...
Still got 12 years to catch up on.
In another 287min of reading, you'll be waiting 12mo per chapter like the rest of us.

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

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U-DO Burger posted:

imo disney should buy the rights to berserk and add a berserk attraction to disneyland
It's like Putt Putt golf! Except you throw your parents into the big chomping tiger.

See also https://youtu.be/enUo-1TjdEs (2:08 for the impatient).


Also "swing the sword (if you can) to ring the bell", but I guess that's more like a county fair.

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!
I like how, in the absence of Rutger Hauer, he suggests actors reminiscent of Toshirô Mifune.

"the first serious duel with Griffith is approaching", but he doesn't say who the challenger will be. Perhaps it will be one of Guts or Casca and they will die?

If he's underestimating when he suggests there may be "a fifth or a quarter left", that means another third and another 15--20yr.

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!
It really seems like individual fights with the Godhand would be cool, but it doesn't really jive with their MO. They mostly seem intent on tempting people. I worry they'll just get sucked into Oblivion as some anticlimactic side effect.

But for the grace of Gaiseric, please don't tell me that Casca will want them to save Griffith, and/or that he is saved, because that's just way more than is deserved. "Griffith must pay :black101:"

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!
Very good long effort post. Everything between the splash in the river and the bonfire establishes the next hundred chapters. Guts identifies his true character and Casca hers. At that point, what we've known has been acknowledged: Griffith stands between them.

(Go back and compare 97, the movies, and the manga: Cave, 100 man battle, bonfire.)

Their later reconciliation happens because Griffith has been removed from the picture. Certainly Casca wishes to save him, but her understanding of Griffith has changed. Guts finds the same and, thinking of him as a friend, wants to save him as well.

Now, what will the next reconciliation be? Casca returns, Griffith has shown his true colors and Guts his.

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!
To preview or not. Tis always the question.

I think I'll wait for our own LordM. I have patience and would rather wait if it's heavy on the dialogue.

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!

Rodyle posted:

Also re: someone's earlier comments about demonic motives... I don't think Griffith actually has any, strictly speaking. METHODS for loving sure, but his motives are the same as ever: get paid, get castle, get kingdom, get empire.
I actually felt like I was reading a chapter from Golden Age, the only difference being that Griffith spoke and this time they listened. Even in GA they were over-awed by his presence, sitting around trying to rule (the people, the army, their lands) and finding that Griffith had better ideas. The minister is a bit more aware, but the others are stuck within the falcon's gaze.

Still pondering the last few panels in parallel to how Griffith left Charlotte after Guts left him. He jumped from the window and was ensnared. If the moon child again appears to Guts and Casca, what's going to happen now that Casca can speak (presumably)? Has Griffith gone moon child after Falconia? What if time dilation or elf magic keeps him as a moon child? He 'disappears' from Falconia and the apostles come looking for him.

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

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Torquemadras posted:

The REALLY interesting part is, what are the characters going to do who DO know something's up, but have no meaningful power to do anything about it?
Guts has defeated apostles; Guts defeated Griffith at the tree; Rickert slapped Griffith in the face and walked away alive.

Black Swordsman Guts couldn't touch Femto, nor could he do much in Quilpoth, but that was before the merging of planes, before his scars were wiped clean, and before Casca recovered.

People may have more power than it first seems.


LORD OF BOOTY posted:


Griffith will get his rear end handed to him and end up in a situation where he's gotta sacrifice someone else to heal, with Charlotte being the only valid candidate. And unlike Slug Baron with Theresia, he'll happily throw her into Hell to get more stronk.
I don't think she's enough and he doesn't care for her anyway. His first sacrifice being the band of the hawk suggests he's gonna need more, more people, more souls... maybe like a whole city.

He disappears overnight for some mooning, apostles sleep happy and don't notice. He disappears and there's time dilation or some lunar eclipse blocking his return or something weird, apostles go chompy and he comes back to find Falconia in ruins?

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!
There are two things remaining for Griffith to sacrifice: His city and his hair.

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!

Mazed posted:

And, completely unexpected: The bond between Guts and Schierke is legitimately heartwarming, adorable, feels all-around good and might be my very favorite thing.
How closely does it parallel Griffith/Casca? :11tea:

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!
Yeah Roderick is the new Judeau.

Edit: Judeau. :(

Also: If you could save a third person from the Eclipse, who would it have been? And if you could have sent someone to tag along and get chomped?

PhantomOfTheCopier fucked around with this message at 23:16 on May 8, 2019

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

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MechanicalTomPetty posted:

We had all of Conviction and most of Millennium Falcon to get to know Farnese, Serpico, Isidro and Schierke but I feel like most of the new guys haven't really had a chance to shine yet by comparison.
(Reads three times...) :staredog: Someone just said they weren't on the boat long enough.

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!
:agesilaus: I paid $10--15 each for 37 volumes.

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!

The Crotch posted:

Miura has established that a branded person can't get branded/sacrificed again, but I don't think we know anything about becoming an apostle.
Too bad we can sacrifice another page to this topic each year. Who's collated all the page references?

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!
Haha all the self referential breaking of the fourth wall, everything short of an apology. :)

But yeah it seems like the choices are for Guts to take off his armor or leave... so what's gonna happen when the moon child shows up and turns into Griffith?

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!
I forgot to click send...?

The Behelit seems to respond most to despair and anguish. Simple loss may be sufficient, but historically it seems like a state of constant torture matters. Right now there appear to be two people who qualify: Guts and Casca.

Also remember that people have actually asked about the Behelits, what they are, and how they work. Almost as if they're planning to leverage it... :clint:


LordMune posted:

Those are 0% me and 100% Miura.
As always, many thanks. Does Azan really say "Let's roll!"? Seems a bit out of character, or I've forgotten his demeanor.


Edit: I humbly accept your explanation below. I knew there had to be some idiomatic speech happening, but I've indeed missed the bubble placement. As to the literal, quasi "let's get this show on the road"... :laugh:

PhantomOfTheCopier fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Aug 24, 2019

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!
That would be so awesome.

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

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skasion posted:

Good news!


Agreed, Guts dog is a good doggie. Just needs some more friends in there.

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!
I for one fell prey to the 60-posts ploy. Darn there's not a new chapter.

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PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!
I long for the days of rapehorse, adult attacks, and dick monsters.

More. Sword. Porn.

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