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Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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With the southern states starting to warm up and the northern states being in prime snow wheeling time I figure it is time for a 4x4 thread.

With the end of a rainy week and getting over a cold I decided to take the Cherokee out for some fun. A friend of a friend lives on 100+ acres of pasture land and invited us over for a little mud fun.

The Cherokee at the beginning of the day.


A short video of the mud puddle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrz6CttFn1w
My friends 1984 land cruiser after getting stuck in slick mud.


He really needs new tires. These got packed full of mud and wouldn't clean out.


The Cherokee after round one and pulling my friend back to the house after he got stuck again.


And again after round two. My friends dad joined in this round with a Ram 3500 on 35x14.5 super swampers. Most of the mud is what he slung on me.


The ram getting dirty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMXr5kdZr6E

This dog followed us around all day. He was always leaning to one side.


Oh poo poo so is the Jeep.


Well that explains it.


I snapped the bracket holding one end of the swaybar. It looks like I will need to weld that up this week.

I know I'm not the only one here with a 4x4. Lets see those pictures and if you don't have any go out and get some.

Atticus_1354 fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Feb 1, 2008

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Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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I'm glad my friend didn't try the mud pit because it would have ended up like you InitialDave. I really don't want to have to winch his land cruiser out of anything.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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Ferremit posted:

Havent been out in ages- But ive got a Toyota Diesel Hilux Dual Cab, 2.8D (about to be turfed for a 3.0L TurboDiesel :D) with 2" lift, Few goodies and some 31" Mickey Thompson MTZ's

I would kill for a nice 4 door truck with a 3.0L turbo diesel. I really wish we got those in America.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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PlasticSun posted:

I use a Garmin 60csx which is a trail unit loaded with street and topo maps. I've got a cradle on my bike and switch between 24K scale topo maps and the street maps when I move off onto rough roads. Garmin's topo data is rather precise but you do have to deal with mapsource to get it into the unit.

I have the same unit. I just have the topo maps right now, but they are great. I have two chips for it coming in the mail and I am going to load one with topo maps and one with street maps. I also need to mount it in the jeep somehow.

Edit: Just got the chips in the mail. Now to see if I have the money for the street maps.

Atticus_1354 fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Feb 1, 2008

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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The King of Swag posted:

I really wish I had the money to buy this ($640): Garmin Colorado 400t

Larger screen, longer battery life, more accurate, full 3D mapping, an entirely revamped interface (most of the controls are now wrapped into the new joystick) and tons of other awesome new features. If only they had a version (albeit more expensive) with a much larger screen so it could be more easily used in a vehicle.

drat thats nice. I have to say though I'm pretty happy with my 60csx. Has anyone made a mount for their gps? Mounts are pretty pricy and I don't see why I can't build one. I just need to figure out a good design that will hold.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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PlasticSun posted:

Can 1X2s play too?



PS: I like 4x4 drivers because they help me pick it up in the middle of no where.



Of course you can play. Your bike is what I plan to have some day. I'm hoping that the release of the new bmw will drive the f650 price down some. If not I may just get a KlR650 and ride that.

And speaking of helping motorcyclists. I had a friend call me and ask me to bring a tow strap out to him. Well when I show up he isn't stuck and their is a guy in motorcycle gear sitting in my friends truck. He tried to cross a river, fell over and the bike washed a ways down stream. So we had to attach the strap to the truck and then I floated down stream and hooked it on the bike. We finally got it out and my friend drove him home.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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PlasticSun posted:

If any of you are comming out to CO anytime to explore all the amazing roads drop me a PM, I'd be happy to show you a few maps or tag along for a day or two.

I may take you up on that soon. I am going to be taking a extended trip soon and may be seeing family up in Greeley.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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Jack_Handey posted:

I DD my Cherokee with a welded rear, it's fine if you know how to drive with it.

What are the specs on your cherokee now? Yours was the one that pushed me to get a cherokee over something else.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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I wish I had a 44 in the rear. I'm having to live with a 35 that is at least locked.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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Glad to see some cars showing up in the thread. It doesn't matter what you drive. All that matters is that you have fun.

Sadly I had to cancel my last off road trip because an acquaintance of mine died car surfing so my friends parents freaked out about cars and wouldn't let the younger guys that had asked me to take them come along. So we had to cancel the trip.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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meltie posted:

I've started picking up recovery kit - got a hilift today, apparently you can use them as an emergency winch too, which should do me on the lanes.

There's a guy selling pairs of 50mm thick waffleboards for £50 inc delivery on UK ebay here.

Be very careful around the hilift. The handle has a propensity to swing up and tear peoples heads off.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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Alright everyone I expect to see some people going out and getting stuck. If you don't get stuck, high centered or break something your not wheeling hard enough for this thread. Or you could just stupidly drive in to some bottomless clay like I did.

The puddle at the bottom center is from my differential. You can see were it dug in when I winched out.



Smooth all the way around. Without the mud I have about 85% tread on these tires.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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Toucan Sam posted:

We buried the Ford a couple weeks ago, first time stuck in four years. It was similar to yours since he drove into a pretty bottomless hole that looked semi solid. I ended up pulling it out with my dually because the axles bottomed out and the mud was over the top of the 38s.

Yeah it was kind of funny because I was driving along in a neighborhood they are building at the end of my street and saw one of the lots was cleared out pretty far back. I decided to see if I could make it back in to the woods, but stopped because of visible water on the ground. I turned left to circle back out and the ground seemed to disappear. And before anyone jumps on me about trespassing the developer told me as long as I didn't mess up any lots being worked on I could play down there.

Does anyone know what I need to do to replace my rear dana 35 with a 44? I have a rubicon express lift and a 4.56 geared locker in the 35 and I am afraid it will be broken if I do anything to much. I will need to regear the rear to match, but will it just bolt up to the same drive shaft and the suspension? I don't have any money to swap right now, but I would like to know what is required in case the 35 grenades or I happen in to a bunch of money.

Atticus_1354 fucked around with this message at 05:51 on Apr 13, 2008

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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BigKOfJustice posted:

I can't remember if there was frame damage or not, but to replace all the aluminum damaged bodywork would run about 10 grand in parts alone.

I must admit to taking a certain amount of twisted pleasure in seeing other people destroy their expensive toys.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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Here are some awesome Camel Trophy videos that I found on you tube.

1987 Madagascar run.
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFHqlNZKh-E
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1a3VV06deg
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jocYVXQysrI
Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgmhg7hgMN4
Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdshHGWNSh0
Part 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpoZGHanLoU

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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Just a friendly warning to all of you without skid plates. Go and buy one right now. I crawled under the jeep to check it out and found a huge gash in the plate right below my transfer case and a huge dent in the other corner. This saturday I will be taking it off and bedlining it to prevent rust. My underbody will also be getting some paint to ward off rust.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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Veeb0rg posted:



my new toy, bought it early feb. Can't wait to get it nice and dirty.

Looks good. What are your plans and did you luck out with a dana 44 rear?

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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Jabs posted:

Finally. A picture of the new Ruby... We spent last Saturday out at Colorado Off Road Extreme, tackling some of the easy-peasy stuff while we still have our 4x4 training wheels on.

I'm glad to see some one new getting out there and having fun. You will be suprised what your rubicon can do when you have some confidence in yourself and your car. Congrats on the smoking deal on the jeep.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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If I'm riding around offroad I keep it in 4hi with full time lockers and only switch to 4lo if I will be flexing much. Having said that I have gone through some ditches in 4hi that I should have crawled in 4lo because I didn't want to switch to lo.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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BlackMK4 posted:

My case is different, I'm low power in a full time truck. If I'm in the dirt I'm in 4lo so I have power.... I'm not a finesse driver offroad, not afraid to admit it. If it's slippery the center diff is locked.

I too lack finesse. The problem is that most my driving is field, field, muddy field, gully, more fields. I just slide down one side and skinny pedal up the other. Hopefully this summer I can get the money together to buy a dana 44 and locker for it. The problem is I don't want to install it without a locker and I can't afford an axle and locker. Hopefully I will be able to sell the 35 to someone.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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Toucan Sam posted:

Aussie Lockers are cheap and work awesome.

http://www.offroadlockers.com/

That's what i have and i would rather have it than a Detroit actually after having driven on both of them.

I may end up getting these. I wonder if I can get anyone to buy them for me on my birthday.

I think next week I will start scoping out local junkyards with my friend. Who knows I may luck in to a dana 44 for $90 like a guy I know.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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Toucan Sam posted:

Do you have a pick-n-pull near you? If so you can't beat their prices.

http://www.picknpull.com/

The closest ones are Dallas and Fort Worth which is a good three hours away. I may look next time I am up there, but until then I am stuck with local junkyards.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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Veeb0rg posted:

Well instead of going to rausch creek this weekend, I get to tear into the jeep and replace the exhaust header.

The curse of the cherokee. While you have it apart go ahead and check all your tubing and wiring to make sure it is not rotting out. Good luck with that.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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The King of Swag posted:

Despite "just" being an access road, I threw it into 4Lo and let the Jeep crawl up it, and while I know there are plenty of people who could and would just fly up it in 2wd, I honestly don't see the reason why you would, especially considering the consequences should you hit an especially loose spot of float (even while crawling, there were spots where it got really loose).

In that case I too would have put it in 4lo. Of course I have a pretty big problem with heights so I would probably have someone else drive it. However for my driving constantly changing from 4hi to 4lo is really annoying.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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shootme posted:

Solid axle, diesel, 4 door short bed, America wasn't cool enough to get functional things like that :(

I have said it before and I will say it again. I would kill for a small diesel. Some day I will swap a 4bt in to an old land cruiser or something.


I would also like to direct everyones attention to a thread on adventure portal. The owner of AT trailers is reporting that one rental has not come back and is believed to be stolen. This guy is an extremely nice guy and any help getting his trailer back would be much appreciated.
http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14812

Atticus_1354 fucked around with this message at 18:48 on May 13, 2008

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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jamal posted:



That looks like tons of fun. Some friends and I set up a small course like that in a muddy field with hay bails for cones and ran it with our trucks.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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BlackMK4 posted:

Exactly. Maybe I should just sell my F4i for a KTM Adventure or something :smith:

Go to expedition portal and post your plan anyways. I bet someone there could help you out. There are several people who have gone all over the place and back.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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Looks like a fun area. Sometimes I wish I lived more out west so I could drive around in some nice dry rocky areas like that. I get bored with sloppy soggy poo poo after a while.

Atticus_1354 fucked around with this message at 01:44 on May 22, 2008

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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BlackMK4 posted:

I guess, but I rather like taking multiple attempts and time to get through a trail rather than pointing and shooting because you've got a shitload of grip. :( I rarely get to do that unless I'm in rocks + sand or water and rocks. Coincidentally, I do a lot of wash offroading where you get the large boulders and sand going.

There is an area with some sand near my house. I also plan to take a trip to mustang island for some beach driving and camping.

I must say that this gets old after a while. I really hate cleaning the jeep after a long day of wheeling in this.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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BlackMK4 posted:

Haha holy gently caress. Ah, fun times working on the truck with ski goggles on so you don't throw poo poo across the shop in anger of dirt in the eyes.

Yeah, that is my friends land cruiser. He has better tires now. Of course now I really want to go driving, but it is the middle of the night and I have a lot of work to do tomorrow. Maybe on Friday or Saturday I can get away. I guess I will hold off on washing the jeep.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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Toucan Sam posted:

Here's the Limited clean for a change.



What size and brand tires are you running? Do you like them?

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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I am thinking about switching to a skinnier all-terrain tire for better road handling, but I just love how good my tires grab. It is a really hard decision, but I have several more miles before these wear out.

Also crossposting this from the jeep thread for you non-jeep guys.

A friend was spending the weekend with me so we went for a little exploration in the Sam Houston National Forest. I found an awesome little 1 mile trail that you definitely need a small 4wheel drive with a good lift to get through. In one section I had a less than 2" of clearance on either side of the Cherokee. The trail leads to a nice little camping spot by Lake Conroe that I am going to take some friends to next week. If anyone in the Houston area is looking for a good camping spot with no activity feel free to PM me for GPS coordinates. If anyone wants to meet me there or knows of any other trails I would be more than happy to hang out.

Two pictures from my cell phone.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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There is a '69 Land Rover series III with English plates and a 2.5 diesel for sale in Austin. He only wants $8500 for it, but I have no money. Anyone want to let a jeep fan borrow some money so he can become a Land Rover convert?

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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You should probably find a friend with a wrangler and drive it some on and offroad. Some people love them and some don't. Just like any other car try and drive as many as you can. You may decide you want a Cherokee or a truck of some kind instead. Don't buy a wrangler because everyone else has one.

As for buying pre-built or not, that is up to you. Do you plan to do the work yourself or hire it out? What do you want done and how close is the vehicle your looking at to what you want? Do you know what to look for and what mods are good and bad? Just because it is jacked up and has big tires doesn't mean it is good. I went with a friend to look at a cj7 the other day and it was completely lifted with longer shackles. It drove poorly because of this and would have been even worse offroad. On the other hand I bought my cherokee mostly built. The previous owner had the work done at a reputable shop and used quality components. It was also a smoking deal that I just couldn't pass up.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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944 posted:

I know I'm real late to this party, but I have to ask - why is you sway holding any significant weight at a dead stop on a flat and level? This may be an off-road setup thing that I know nothing about.....

Because it wasn't flat and level and the bar is moved a little to better show it in the picture.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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SO, I just got my cherokee back after it was fitted with a new transmission. So I did the normal thing and drove it in to some slick mud. Then when I went to put it in 4x4 I found that the lever was no longer connected to the transfer case. Thankfully I have a rear locker, so a liberal use of the gas pedal got me out of there, but it was a close call. I guess I will be without the jeep for another couple days.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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Kill-9 posted:



If they'd let me bring it back into the U.S. I'd pay full list price tomorrow.

What are the rules on bringing a car in to the country if you are moving? Like if I moved to Rio for a year could I bring my car back?

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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That is the sweetest Rolls I have ever seen. Got any more pictures of it?

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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If you want to go cheaper you can get a set of flairs off a junked wrangler and make them fit.


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Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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Spamiel posted:

Inside the "box".


I really want to move to New Mexico. I didn't have a chance to do any driving the summer I was there, but it was still one of the best summers ever. Thankfully in a year I will be out in West Texas and can take trips to New Mexico without driving for 12 hours just to get to the border.

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