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This may be a bit of a long winded story/post. Back story: I played field hockey as a kid/teenager for about 15 years, the last 8 or so as a goalkeeper. I've also been refereeing roller derby for the past 4 years on roller skates, which makes me an okay ice skater (nothing brilliant though). I went ice skating with my lady friend at a basically empty session, there were some hockey guys there mucking around when there was no one on the ice, I asked to join in, borrowed a stick. They were quite impressed with my stick skills and skating and invited me to come to an off-season casual training session they have on Tuesday mornings. I expressed interest in goalkeeping and they seemed pretty keen for me to have a go at it (they don't usually have a goal keeper at their sessions. Seems no matter the sport goal keepers are in demand?) Apparently they have goalie gear but I don't know anything about it, only about field hockey gear unsurprisingly. Having looked at gear online and checking my field hockey gear I'm fairly certain none of it is going to be any use, quick summary; Helmet: Probably the only piece that's usable, it's a KOHO possibly almost as old as I am. I think it actually belonged to my old hockey club. I have a wrap around neck guard that I'm pretty sure wouldn't do poo poo for a puck. Chest: Made by Gryphon (Field hockey company), quite a low neck hole, basically no protection on the sides. The torso and shoulders seem like they might be okay. The arms for it are the biggest deal breaker though, the inside of the elbow isn't protected from puck shaped objects, the outside of the elbow has no padding at all, nor does the inside of the upper arm. Pants: Have no protection on the inside of the thigh, gaps on the upper thigh where a puck could hit. Pads: Hahahahaha. So basically I'm going to be using their gear, and wanted to know if there's anything I should look out for, like outdated/unsafe gear.
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Aniki posted:What country are you in?  Aniki posted:The mask you have looks similar to the old combos that guys used to wear. It would probably be OK to use for a short time to figure out if you want to play ice hockey, but other guys here may be more familiar with that style of mask. One thing to keep in mind is that higher end field hockey masks like this are pretty much interchangeable with goalie masks, so if hockey equipment isn't readily available where you live, then something like that is worth considering. Aniki posted:The chest protector might be OK to get started. Good rib/side protection is relatively recent with hockey chest protectors and you can wear a neck guard and a padded shirt to augment the protection. Is the lack of any protection on the elbow an issue? Ice is more solid than grass to land on :/ Aniki posted:That being said, I'm not too familiar with how hard field hockey impacts are. Do you generally get bruises through your chest protection or do you not really feel the impacts? Not sure about the elbow protection. Aniki posted:Some goalie pants don't have protection on the inside of the thighs, because some guys feel that padding gets in the way of closing their butterfly. Lack of padding on the upper thigh would be a bigger concern for me. VendaGoat posted:Welcome to the club buddy. Go slow and always go for more protection.
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Nov 30, 2013 22:21
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Aniki posted:aejix is also from Australia, so he should be able to give you a better idea of what's available locally and how to import gear if necessary. I also have a friend who used to live in Australia and she's still pretty connected with the hockey scene there, so I can check with her if there's anything aejix can't answer. Aniki posted:There's a certain amount of arm bruising that you can get away with, but if it was a problem in field hockey, then it could be worse with ice hockey. It may make sense to invest in even a mid level chest protector to make sure that you have proper chest protection, since if you are out there worrying about not getting hurt, then it is hard to really enjoy the sport.
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Nov 30, 2013 22:53
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Aniki posted:What is playing goalie in field hockey like? It looks like some hybrid between soccer and the old stand up style of goaltending. I know that field hockey goalies tend to be pretty tall and if you are, then that will certainly help you cover more net. I've watched a little bit of field hockey during the olympics and seen a youtube video or two, but I don't know much about the sport. It's a mix of mobility, awareness and shouting at people to man up (typically you're the only player on the team with a complete picture of what's going on and what's about to happen). During break aways you basically charge the player and If you freeze the ball like in ice hockey the other team gets a short corner, probably equivalent to the faceoff. During short corners shots where the ball is struck (think slap shot) rather than scooped/pushed/flicked (think wristshot) can't go above the backboard (about a foot high), so when it's hit you lie down to cover as much of that area as you can. Though if you lie down it leaves the rest of the goal open for flicks. Doing unexpected things was fun, such as sprinting at the person taking the shot. I'm a fan of Fleury because he comes out of goal, though it doesn't sometimes end well. Edit: Back to ice hockey, how much of a difference do goalie skates make over regular hockey skates? Is it better go straight to goalie skates or get regular skates first? Spookydonut fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Nov 30, 2013 |
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Nov 30, 2013 23:31
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Aniki posted:Thanks for the info in field hockey. I'm also curious about other types of goaltending. Do you have any recommendations for good highlight videos of field hockey saves? I've found some on YouTube, but they didn't seem like the best showcase of the position. It seems like the sport will be good training for desperation saves and you'll probably be a lot more comfortable doing two pad stacks than most current goalies. Also, rotating and leading with your shoulders is important in ice hockey, so if that was drilled into you for field hockey, then that will help you out a lot. This covers the basics of positioning and technique This has some more of the diving/sliding techniques with an emphasis on mobility to make the second saves Aniki posted:Goalie skates have a hard plastic cowling, which better protects your feet from puck impacts. They also have a flat blade versus a curved blade that players use, which is better suited for the type of movements that goalies make. Newer skates are also designed to help you stand in a wide stance and get blade contact from angles where you couldn't push off of before, which is important for making recovery saves where you are down in a butterfly and push across the crease while remaining on the ice.
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Dec 1, 2013 00:16
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Bootcha posted:It's very interesting watching the field hockey vids. Coming from a stand-up style I can see the similarities. I can also see the flopping desperation saves when the style breaks down on the bad rebounds. But considering the size of the net, jumping from side to side seems routine. Do they train angle discipline? Bootcha posted:As for skating out in goalie skates, player skates are better for speed and mobility, but some goalies swear by their own as they are most comfortable with them. You could get away with skating defense in goalie skates in lower leagues. What do some of these terms mean, butterfly, stand-up style?
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Dec 1, 2013 06:50
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Bootcha posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT3B6ay_8EA Hazed_blue posted:Kirk McLean was without a doubt my favorite standup goaltender, and one of the last of his kind to play in the NHL. He was, in a word, a master at the style. Bootcha posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGvmEF5n_Ao Aniki posted:*snip*
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Dec 1, 2013 12:57
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Aniki posted:Here is the stand-up (Mike Palmateer) clip. Not typical, even for stand-up goalies, but I thought his style might be more familiar to you. Yeah it's very familiar. I'll really need to work on my skating, currently I can really only plow stop. I can skate backwards and do backwards crossovers, but trying to do forwards crossovers I wind up with all sorts of problems/confusion with the edges on my outside skate.
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Dec 1, 2013 19:26
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So I spent almost 3 hours today geared up on the ice. It was pretty fun, though I haven't had a work out like that since my field hockey days. For an ice sport I was really hot, though it didn't occur to me to just lie down. I soaked through two tshirts with sweat. Plenty of just being peppered with pucks, but the coach gave me a lesson on how to use my stick. The drills were good, I was able to read the plays well. I started to get the hang of freezing the puck when it was loose near the net, fighting my field hockey training to clear it instead. I ended up using my own pants and box as they were basically the same as what they had. The pads were pretty beaten up, missing a strap on one and leaking a bit of the stuffing, but they were secure enough and I got the hang of them. The chest armor was pretty good, old but good. Helmet was relatively modern. The goalie stick was broken and right handed, but the gloves we found were left handed. Only goal I let in during the scrimmage towards the end of the session deflected off the slightly floppy backwards curved stick into the goal. All of it was still a bit wet, but years of roller derby has given me an iron nose against smelly gear. Everyone was really friendly and helpful, will definitely be back next week where they might have right handed gloves and an unbroken stick! Anyone have recommendations for cheap/good gear or should I just be hunting for whatever I can get? Should I avoid second hand stuff?
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Dec 3, 2013 08:25
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Yeah I was throwing some foot leading leg saves in there. What I mean is that in field hockey it's drilled into keepers not to give away short corners as they are dangerous scoring opportunities. So at all costs you avoid lying on the ball or having it trapped in your pads. Also loose balls, whether just in front of you or like 5 meters away, mean you charge at it aiming for a toe kick to clear it. Not really possible to toe kick in skates, and using a stick or side of the foot is too slow in field hockey. Given the pace of ice hockey that sort of thing is glacial in comparison. I was starting to butterfly on shots, though usually early or late. I was using the rinks skates, I understand what you mean about the toes on goalie skates now to get back up. What should one be doing when the puck is behind the net? Also what does the measurement on leg pads refer to, and how do I work out what size I should get?
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Dec 3, 2013 09:15
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I'm 5'11" and my ATK is 17". I meant more like should I turn around to keep eyes on it. Edit: Oh god my upper back/shoulders are sore. I didn't think to stretch there. Spookydonut fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Dec 4, 2013 |
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Dec 3, 2013 13:09
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Tried doing some of these today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w93a32vS5E Had trouble getting any power/grip out of my skates. Ended up running through some of these, though when I did some simple shooting drills I was still basically glued to the spot and not covering the angles well. It's also so much easier to use the stick with my right hand, though sadly they only have the one set of (left-handed) gloves. These are what I was working with (they're apparently 34"), some of the straps were coming loose and getting under the skate, definitely bringing tape next time!   Fake edit: Ouch. 
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Dec 5, 2013 10:32
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Caught a puck with my body today! Also found some right handed gloves, and someone brought a non-broken stick (though it was left handed). I don't think the catcher was designed for ice hockey though, I caught one with my thumb/palm and it still hurts. Took the thread's advice and wore a thin 'thermal' base layer shirt, was much cooler. I need to work on a warmup/stretching routine, a lot of new muscles I don't know how to stretch yet. Anyone have advice on complementary exercises for fitness/strength? Things like squats and sit-ups?
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Dec 10, 2013 04:37
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Oh god I don't have the money to blow on this right now, but so much is on clearance and I found a 20% coupon. I should see if I can find cheaper stuff locally or hopefully aejix comes back from the dead. Edit: Oh poo poo, gold mine. http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/ridgewood/other-sports-fitness/roller-ice-hockey-gear/1033811112 PICK UP THE PHONE DAMNIT Edit2: $450 got me basically an entire set of gear except for a chest/arm piece. Itec x-wing glove and blocker, basically brand new. Bauer vapor goalie skates, like half a size too big (it's fine), pretty good condition, a bit of scuffing. Itec helmet, bit of rust on the inside of the cage, probably needs new elastic straps. Mission helium light pads 30" again in basically brand new condition. Pretty comfortable, seems about the right size. Wooden Goalie stick, bit of splintering at the top of the handle but nbd. Bauer goalie shorts, pretty good condition. Brand new goalie cup. And as a bonus my lady friend got a full face helmet thrown in for free by this nice lady selling her son's old stuff. Spookydonut fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Dec 10, 2013 |
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Dec 10, 2013 07:56
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I realise that pads are a personal preference, but does anyone have any tips on adjusting the straps? Any common pitfalls? In field hockey they don't have any articulation, and you don't want/need any roll so you just do them up as tight as you can. The bruises on my legs are telling me this is not the way to use ice hockey pads.
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Dec 11, 2013 17:14
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Aniki posted:The quick answer is that you want goalie pads to be loose so that they'll rotate as you butterfly. Though if you are wearing the old pads that you posted before, you will want to wear those a bit tighter, since pads from that era were meant to be a part of your leg. I'll give a more detailed answer in a little bit. Nope, I have these now. Spookydonut posted:Edit2: $450 got me basically an entire set of gear except for a chest/arm piece.
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Dec 11, 2013 18:01
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What are toe ties? I don't think these have toe ties. The skates I picked up only have one hole between the blade and boot.
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Dec 11, 2013 18:39
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This might seem like an odd question, but what do you do about shots that are going to miss the goal? Deflect it to help a turnover? The reason I ask is that in field hockey if the goalie or player is the last to touch it when it goes out of bounds the other team gets a long corner (effectively the same as a corner in soccer). If it goes out from the other team then you get a free hit to clear it. I figure you just do what you think is best for the situation but I'm interested to hear what you guys think. Also, any gear care tips other than the obvious airing and drying?
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Dec 23, 2013 06:05
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Any advice on fitting and choosing sizes of C/A protectors? Namely the Bauer Performance and the Warrior Ritual Sr. I was leaning towards getting the Warrior Ritual Sr, According to this I'm a large, 34" waist and 42" chest. This chart however suggests that at 5'10"ish I could go either way. The Bauer sizings are also right on the edge between large and medium. In a somewhat related topic, what make good overshirts? I've seen a lot of complaints online about 'goalie cut' sizes being unable to fit over large sized C/As.
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Jan 15, 2014 18:07
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coldwind posted:Yes. Go try them on. Sadly I don't have that luxury living in Australia.
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Jan 16, 2014 12:41
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Any opinions on Hockey Tron? A set of pads for $400 with a coupon and free shipping. Except for international shipping which only uses fedex and costs $440 for just that set of pads. Urgh.
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Jan 21, 2014 17:34
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aejix posted:Been a long time since I've been on the ice for a number of long, boring reasons so haven't checked this thread because it makes me want to get out there. I've been told to ask you how to get gear in Australia (I'm in Perth).
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Jan 24, 2014 15:48
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Any advice on stick handling? I was trying to saucer pass the puck today but felt like I was going to wrench my shoulder of my catcher arm trying to put any power into it. I also struggled to get any sort of grip on the stick with my catcher, made any attempts at using my backhand impossible. Also my stick hand kinda hurts/cramps from gripping the stick, am I gripping it too hard? Is it the cold? Is it the glove on my blocker? Or do I need to work on my grip strength?
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Jan 28, 2014 05:31
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UnmaskedGremlin posted:This video is short, sweet, and helpful. That's pretty excellent, thanks! I'm definitely trying to play it when it's too far away from my body. titanium posted:How are you gripping it? Have you tried the Turco grip? One thing I did was shorten my stick a bit so it was easier to grab the end of the stick vs having it be too long and awkward. I'll definitely give the Turco Grip a go, it looks like that might help.
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Jan 29, 2014 03:53
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nahanahs posted:Tuesdays, I'm doing a hockey camp/class where I'm the only goalie, so it's an hour of non-stop drills, then a half hour of scrimmage. That's cool and all, but by the time I play on Thursday, I'm still a wreck. What can I do to recover faster besides not being 35? I drink a blender bottle of protein, but was hoping there was something more I could do. Don't get old and do some cross training cardio.
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Feb 7, 2014 15:15
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Cross posting this here from the Sochi thread; Is she nuts for not having a neck guard? I noticed it while watching the game and cringed. Edit: Another Spookydonut fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Feb 8, 2014 |
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Feb 8, 2014 20:26
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Need to get new pads and skates :/ I think a lot of the problems I'm having with lateral movement both standing and sliding are from trying to use player skates. Also I keep getting massive bruises on my knees from the pads being a bit too short. I was looking at the Reebok 14K pads, not sure if they'd be too stiff though? Or is that something I'd probably not notice until I had a lot more time in the net? Also because :bauer: (won't ship to Australia and their Australian distributor has a very, very limited range) I'm looking at the Reebok goalie skates and trying to figure out how different the sizes are going to be. I've got a set of bauer 10EE skates and I know for sure I probably don't need more than an E and there's a bunch of toe room, probably better with a 9.5 or 9. But then apparently Reebok skates are a little bit bigger and wider than bauer, anyone able to shed more light on this? I did read somewhere though it's recommended to go a little bit bigger for when you get hit in the toe?
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Feb 10, 2014 16:52
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Aniki posted:Goalie skates will help a lot. Much better protection and they are designed for the type of movements that you do on ice. As for pads, stiffness is something to consider, but you can adapt to any type of pad, so it may just take you a little more time to get used to playing a stiffer pad. The 14Ks should be pretty flexible, so you shouldn't have too many issues with them and honestly, your priority right now should just be getting into something that doesn't leave your knees covered in bruises every time you go out. According to sizing chart I should get 33" (~5'10", FTK 19.5"), but I might play it safer and get 34". Then it's a question of +1 or +2. Do colours make a difference, like is white harder to see for the players making shots? Is dazzle camouflage legal?
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Feb 10, 2014 18:57
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Oh god my knees. I managed to save one doing a 'starfish' today, was pretty happy with that.Aniki posted:The advantage/disadvantage of color on pads is a big talking point. People will claim that white pads blend in with the ice/net and make it hard for shooters to find holes. People will claim that yellow pads stand out too much and make it easier for shooters to find gaps and people will claim that black pads will get you more whistles since the puck will blend in with the pad easier and refs will whistle the play dead once they lose track of the puck. There are also some patterns and color combinations that people claim will make a pad look narrower or bigger. Personally, I don't think color is a huge factor one way or the other, but I'm a pure goalie, so maybe guys who skate out and would have a better opinion on whether color makes it harder or easier to find where to shoot. I'd tend to agree with you, at the end of the day it comes down to how good you are, no sense worry about the other dude.
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Feb 11, 2014 05:37
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I too am about to order pads, skates and sticks. Going with the 34+1 to play it safe. Only thing I can't pick is stick colour. 
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Feb 13, 2014 12:12
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My gear arrived today! The 34+1 was the right choice, they fit well, the +2 would probably have been too ungainly for me. I'm also really glad I got the knee pads, they're miles better than the ones that came with the pads.
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Feb 21, 2014 08:59
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Aniki posted:It's great to hear that the new leg and knee pads fit well. Having gear that fits properly will make a huge difference. Now I just need to get my new skates sharpened, but what cut?
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Feb 21, 2014 18:13
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Aniki posted:Start out with 5/8". If it feels too dull, then go up to 1/2" next time and if it feels too sharp, then go back to 3/4". Goalies used to like really dull blades (1"), but now goalies prefer their blades to be sharper. Some guys will even go with 1/4", which is super sharp. Basically, the sharper the blade, the more it will dig into the ice and allow for you to get powerful pushes and the duller the blade, the easier it will be for your to shuffle and glide. Does weight factor into it?
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Feb 22, 2014 07:23
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 What should I do with the really long straps? Trim them? Tape them down? Tuck them in?
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Feb 23, 2014 16:44
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aejix posted:gently caress you, Here's hoping I actually have a team to play with this season. 
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Feb 24, 2014 15:44
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This is what made playing field hockey so much fun for me, had a good 4 or 5 year run with the same bunch of guys in some bumfuck 3C division. I'm sure a lot of us could have been playing at a much higher level but we were having fun. The team breaking up was what caused me to stop playing field hockey 
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Feb 26, 2014 00:57
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VendaGoat posted:Never too late to get back into it. Got guys in their early 50's playing at our dek. Taking up ice hockey instead!
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Feb 26, 2014 02:58
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After discussion with the guy who cuts the skates at my rink, I ended up going with 7/8 as he thought 5/8 was waaaay too sharp for the thicker blades on my skates. He did offer to sharpen them for free if I wanted to go to a 5/8, so I figured why not. I'm not sure I feel about them. I'm finally able to laterally slide at ease, and do hockey stops. I think I might go for 3/4 for a little bit more grip.
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Mar 6, 2014 03:14
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nahanahs posted:5/8 is sharper than 3/4. More grip would be 1/2 I'm currently on 7/8
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Stretching and warm ups! What's your pregame routine? Is it different from your pre training routine? I try and have a short little jog around the rink, some light stretching. Then I gear up, skate a little then some more stretching.
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