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ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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I'm really glad I found this thread, I should have dipped into NMD long ago.
I'm running a project for my nephew. I might eventually make a thread about it, but for now it's just me buying an album every week to eventually give to him as a birthday present in a couple of years. I get to listen to the music, too (obviously), and I'm taking the opportunity to explore far beyond my usual fairly limited tastes.

The suggestions for Billy Joel are excellent, I had a couple of his songs stuck in my head a few weeks ago so I bought The Hits (presumably this is the first of his compilation albums, I can't remember the other choices on his website) and I'm very happy.

I know absolutely nothing about several major genres of music (leaving aside for now the problems of classifying music), particularly Hip-Hop. I've been meaning to really explore some options here, starting with a dive through various Bandcamp articles. But, I also want to emphasise the role of female artists, and a bit of exploring a little while ago kept bringing me to Lauryn Hill as a major influence and ground-breaker. Where should I start with her?

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ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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Billy Joel - yeah, Uptown Girl is a great song. I'll pick up more from Mr. Joel next year, I'm trying to avoid packing the list of albums with too much from any one artist.

Lauryn Hill - I was hoping somebody would confirm the Wikipedia article for her that says The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill is her only studio album, thanks. I just bought it and it should be here next week.

Switching gears, how about Henry Rollins? I always hear about him as "used to be the frontman for Black Flag" but I've never (to my knowledge) heard a Black Flag song, ever. He seems to be more influential as a critic and a broadcaster (i.e. he has an opinion and is willing and able to put it out there), but his background as a musician is always, ALWAYS mentioned right after his name in anything I've read about or by him.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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You can't really go wrong with anything from the 'Hip, as far as I'm concerned. My suggestions in order from (personal) first choice would be Fully Completely, Road Apples, or Trouble at the Henhouse simply because I can probably sing along to every track on those albums even though I didn't get into the 'Hip until fairly recently. Just diffusion from being a Canadian, their songs were unavoidable in the 90's (when I was in high school and thus imprinting on music).

If you need just one album, the compilation Yer Favourites will distill those three albums plus a few other great songs into 2 CDs. It's telling regarding the esteem the Tragically Hip are held in Canada that that album went platinum in Canada for the second time as soon as Gord Downie died.

wikipedia posted:

Following the Tragically Hip's final concert of their Man Machine Poem Tour, which was broadcast live on CBC and watched by 11.7 million people, the compilation reached number 1 on the Canadian Albums Chart. It returned to the Canadian charts again in October 2017 following Downie's death, immediately rising from #182 to #2.

Gord Downie's final solo project, Away is Mine was jus released last Friday (16 October). If you want to be a hipster about it (as opposed to a 'Hipster, I guess, if that's a term anyone uses), you could just get that album and talk down your nose at people about emotion in songwriting. Or something.

JollyBoyJohn posted:

I've never heard any Barenaked ladies songs other than 90s anthem - One Week and a live version of "if i had a million dollars" What am i missing?
Seconding Gordon and Stunt. There are other good songs there and the studio version of "If I had a million dollars" is worthwhile.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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IUG posted:

So this is more of a "should I continue with?", but is Sting's stuff looking at if you have all The Police albums? I'm going to assume no though, but haven't ever checked out any of his stuff. I just assumed it was much different from The Police stuff.
Rewinding this, where should I start with The Police?

Long ago a friend gave me a pile of mp3s from a Greatest Hits compilation (I think 4 CDs) but a) I'd rather own legitimate music and throw some coin at an artist (or their legally appointed representative / agent / inheritor) and b) I lost most of those files some time ago. The only song I still have is Hole in My Life, is the album that song is from a decent entry point?

Also, I liked some of Sting's solo stuff when it would come on the radio or in a cafe or whatever, I guess I'll do a little exploring there, too.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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Kvlt! posted:

Colter Wall is a great modern Outlaw Country musician too

Colter Wall is goddam fantastic. I saw him live at a little music festival years ago, he was a tweener on the corner of the stage for long enough for 3 songs. Not many Canadian 21-year-olds can sound like a worn-out 60-year-old while singing a song about meeting the devil in Georgia and getting a crowd of a few hundred hippies clapping along.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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SpiritualDeath posted:


Journey are in general an insufferable band, but if I was forced to pick 2 songs by them as my only music consumption for the rest of time, I guess I'd be OK with "Wheel In The Sky" and "Who's Crying Now"

This is the "Where do I start with ?" thread, not the "Where do I end with ? on a desert island", isn't it?

Anyway, Jane's Addiction? I only know Been Caught Stealing, but they must have some other noteworthy stuff.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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Awesome, thanks to both of you. The instability and band-members-swapping among bands from L.A. is interesting to me, and the Jane's Addiction / Porno for Pyros story is a great example (I've also recently been reading about Tool / A Perfect Circle and Rage Against the Machine / Audioslave). The side-effect of a wikipedia dive through these bands is I get to listen to a bunch of songs I haven't heard for years while I'm procrastinating at work.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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Living Colour? I know and like Cult of Personality but Wikipedia says they've put out 6 albums, three of them after breaking up and reuniting.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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Thanks to both, I just ordered Vivid.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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Dave Matthews Band?

I dove into the Wikipedia set of articles about DMB and their various albums, tours, performances, etc. and got a bit scrambled. It seems like one of their (many) live albums would be the place to start, given their reputation for jamming on stage and making every live performance unique. I usually try to avoid live albums if I'm not already very familiar with the artist, because at concerts many artists let the audience do a lot of the singing, making the lyrics completely unintelligible if you don't already know them. But maybe with DMB that kind of thing is part of the point? Or maybe it's better to stick to a studio album before exploring their various live styles?

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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hexwren posted:

also you're thinking too hard. get under the table and dreaming and proceed chronologically forward from there and stop when you've had enough.

Well, yeah. Overthinking it is what I do. But point taken, and thanks for the rec.

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I bought Vivid by Living Colour a little while ago, and somebody commented that it gets very 80's at times. Yes. And it's very good. Somehow Living Colour didn't land in my mental perceptions of 80's music, but they've found a home there now.

On that thought, Pet Shop Boys ?

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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I've been listening to a podcast, and the musicians on it have been talking about their influences. More than one has talked about Embrace. I'd never heard of them - where should I start?

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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I bought The Black and White Album and Veni Vidi Vicious (Hate to Say is track 6) a few years ago. Both are outstanding, I'd never paid much attention to them before but both albums are just full of turn-it-up-to-11-and-scream-along songs.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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Cake and Ween... that's like 40% of my early 20's right here. But I need more of both. Gonna find some time to autoplay a long list of Ween sometime today.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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I have a Lenny Kravitz album, somewhere. 5 - the highly original name for his (wait for it) fifth studio album, in 1998.

I find his songs pretty repetitive, if often quite good. I feel like his stuff could be really great if he wrote (or had written for him) more complex, interesting songs. "Guitar centric pop" fits, I guess.

The only other thing I know about Lenny Kravitz is a snippet I remember from some music journalist complaining about the White Stripes about 20 years ago. According to this long-forgotten journalist, Lenny Kravitz's drummer, Cindy Blackman Santana, is a much better drummer than Meg White. A quick look at a few wikipedia pages suggests this journalist was probably correct, but given the difference in age and experience between those two women, it's not really a fair comparison.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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UB-40

I'm not averse to a covers compilation, they seem to specialise in that (and I know their biggest hit, Red Red Wine, is a cover). But I'm very interested in the Goon Hive Mind take on them.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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I picked up her self-titled album (Platinum edition) on iTunes and it's basically a greatest hits album. For me, that's enough, I get a pretty good selection of her work up to 2014 including her work with people like Nicki Minaj (Flawless Remix) and Pharrell Williams (Blow Remix).

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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Motörhead ?

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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The Screaming Trees and/or Queens of the Stone Age?

Mark Lanegan died, and the bits of news about him I read talked about these two bands. I just listened to a Youtube playlist of the Screaming Trees but it wandered off to other bands, as Youtube tends to do.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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I just picked up QOTSA Rated R (Deluxe Edition) on iTunes, and I am happy.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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yeah ok ok yeah posted:

Nicotine
Valium
Vicadin
Marijuana
Ecstasy
and alcohol

C-c-c-c-c-c-cocaaiiiine

It's a surprisingly good song, very catchy and ear-worm-ready. I enjoy songs that lead to the possibility of me just blurting out with no warning lyrics about drugs or murder. The stand-out example here is GWAR's "Slap U Around", an upbeat, catchy tune that features the lines
"And then I kick
your pregnant rear end down the stairs"

IUG posted:

If you like QotSA, then also check out "Them Crooked Vultures". It's a supergroup with Josh Homme, Dave Grohl, and John Paul Jones. It's only one (self-titled) album, and it owns.

That said, Josh Homme is a lovely human, and any way you can get this music without sending money Josh's way is essential.
I was reading wiki articles about QotSA and ended up on the page for Them Crooked Vultures. Yes, definitely, I will be picking up that album.

I really like QotSA and I really don't like Josh Homme, he's gone beyond the only-hurting-himself RockStar excesses of partying and drugs and gone into violence. Normally I try to buy music in whatever way balances convenience for me with getting money directly to the artist. Other than searching for second-hand CDs, what's a good way to get music without giving the artist(s) money?

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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HenryJLittlefinger posted:

:filez:

Used music/bookstores? My local place has acres of cds. I think there is still a pretty good market for used cds on amazon and eBay too.

My preference is certainly for used rather than pirated (I dislike applying the word to anything that lacks cutlasses and the high seas) and I love local used bookstores as a general Good Thing. I don't know if they're still around but there was an excellent chain of used-CD stores in southern Ontario when I lived there, but that was about 5 years ago.

eBay is something I haven't explored for a while. Thanks for reminding me.

HenryJLittlefinger posted:

Oh and by the way, if you like Josh Homme’s music regardless of his shittiness, check out Kyuss. And if you like that, then there is a whole world of good desert rock out there you should dip into.

Terminally Bored posted:

Including Desert Sessions (https://www.discogs.com/artist/283792-The-Desert-Sessions) where Homme played exactly that - jam sessions with various musicians. There are 12 volumes and you can hear some QOTSA songs in their demo forms there (Hangin' Tree, for example).
Yeah, Kyuss and the Desert Sessions on my radar, certainly. I need to make some time to explore music like that, just sitting and listening for a few hours.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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Junpei posted:

Josh Homme also produced the third album of the Arctic Monkeys, Humbug.
Interesting. I picked up AM at the beginning of my music project for my nephew and both my wife and I really like it. I've been meaning to get more Arctic Monkeys, this gives me an excuse.

Not strictly a music question, but does anyone have any recommendations for books about the music industry or being a musician, told by musicians? I like reading about how some people move between different bands or different roles, and how a singer might end up being a producer for another band (Josh Homme, I'm sure there are others - didn't Trent Reznor produce several albums for others?) or how a drummer becomes a singer (Dave Grohl, Phil Collins).

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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I feel like maybe this has been asked recently, but a quick search did not show it; apologies if so: The Melvins ?

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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Polygondwanaland is aggressively free (as in, they actively encourage you to download one of the Masters pre-formatted for your favourite physical media, and they'll sell your bootlegs on their website for you). It's the only album I've really listened to, yet, and I think it's hilarious how it shows up on that chart all by itself as a kind of "You must do this. It is not optional" separate box.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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Anyone have any opinions about where I should start with Bonnie Raitt? Nick of Time, or something that shows a different side of her range?

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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Taylor Swift

I've skimmed her wikipedia page, she's done a lot of different stuff, and had a big impact. I'm happy to pick 2 to span part of the range.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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Junpei posted:

I wasn't born until after 9/11

Thank you for this. Not throwing any shade on anyone, I sincerely appreciate the reminder that not everyone spent their teen years getting mad at boring radio stations that broadcast One Headlight nearly continuously. I'm Canadian, so multiply the annoyance by a large number because the Wallflowers were interspersed with endless plays of the entire output of Nickelback.

As you can probably tell from the responses from us old fogeys, the Wallflowers were widely regarded as low-grade pop-culture money-spinning rather than as music to be taken seriously. This is perhaps unfair to the people involved. Out of curiosity, is there any music you might put into a similar category, audio pablum not worthy of further investigation?

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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I cannot provide any actually useful information, but I do love the version of I Got You Babe Cher did with Beavis and Butt-Head on the songs-from-and-inspired-by soundtrack album for Beavis and Butt-Head Do America.

EDIT: and so I went down the rabbithole (he-he-he-he you said "hole") and I was wrong. It's not the soundtrack for the movie, it's the album Beavis and Butt-Head made and the single with Cher has its own cover image

ExecuDork fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Aug 16, 2023

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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I recently realised that Miley Cyrus is a very good singer. I really like her most recent work, but is there a better place to start?

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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/\/\/\ Awesome, thank you! I'll give Bangerz a listen and go from there.

I'm much more interested in Miley's adult stuff than the pre-transformation work she did as an ultimately-successful child star. Leaving aside how impressive it is for a child star to successfully transition to an adult performer, I'm just happy to sit and listen to her (grown-up) voice. Miley's singing talents were pointed out in a book I read recently, in a list of notable female singers with strong chest voices and excellent vocal control.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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screenwritersblues posted:

A bit late. Start with 1989 and then go anywhere. Folklore and Repetition are my personal favorites.

Thanks for the reinforcement of the decision I made a bit ago: I picked up 1989 (Taylor's Version) and Midnights (3am version). I'm really digging her stuff, and I'll have to remember to pick up a couple more later.

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ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

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Ah, fond memories of being woken up way too early during a camping trip age 13 or 14 by a crappy CD player blasting out Jesus Built My Hotrod, and better memories of a couple of years later when I could blast Just One Fix way too loud from a crappy factory-installed car stereo.

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OK, switching gears here: The Pogues - should I just start with Rum Sodomy & the Lash and go from there?

And another one: INXS?

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