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InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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RealKyleH posted:

I did not, I was just saying I usually see grade 8 or grade 8.8 on engines/stuff I work on and that lower grade bolts were a bad idea.
Yeah, that's what I thought you meant, but it was a little ambiguous.

Z3n posted:

It's because 8.8 is imperial and 8 is metric, correct? I always see the grade 8 markings on japanese motorcycles.
Other way round. "Grade 5" or "Grade 8" markings are more likely to be seen on imperial-thread fasteners, and the "8.8", "10.9" or "12.9" markings on metric-thread fasteners.

You could technically use them the other way round, but it'd be a bit dodgy, because everyone associates them with imperial and metric fasteners respectively.

Personally, I think the metric system is better, for several reasons. First, it gives you real values - the first number is the ultimate tensile strength in units of 100 MPa, the second number being the yield strength of the fastener as a proportion of this UTS. So a 10.9 is 1000 MPa UTS, and has a yield strength of .9x1000 = 900 MPa. 1 MPa = 145 PSI.

Secondly, the range of "standard" grades is better. The SAE imperial grades stop at 8 (~10.9), whereas with the metric system you can have 12.9, 14.9 and so on.

Lastly, the system of rating by MPa rather than a "grade" is how bolts are specified when making specialist or custom applications - in these instances, imperial stuff will be rated in KSI (which, logically, is 1000xPSI), though metrification of the world in general means the specs often call out MPa also.

It gets more complicated the more specialised you go with the intended use, and you start seeing callouts for nominal "cold" strength, plus a minimum strength level at combustion temperatures for things like turbine applications.

Aside from the fairly logical sizing of threads for overall diameter and pitch, here's also the whole business of the precise dimensions and classes of threads, but that's really not something you should have to worry about for day-to-day stuff.

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InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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ab0z posted:

There's an alignment machine on the local CL for $500, "needs to be calibrated".
So you need to align your alignment machine? Insert Xzibit gag here...

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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I use one of these types mostly:



There's a few different places that sell them - they're not expensive, and I find they're much easier to use than most strippers I've tried. They're "rated" 26-14 AWG, if that will do what you need. For scale, they're about 5" long.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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duep posted:

Are jacks like that any good to work safely underneath a car or is that more of a certain death by smothering kind of tool? I'm planning to drop the transmission if that's any indication.


If it's all you've got, they're better than nothing, but if you're going out to buy some, it's not much more for this kind:

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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revmoo posted:

Not a terrible idea but aren't those allen keys made out of hardened steel or something? Also where the hell can you even find a large allen key (17+mm)?
Well, you can easily enough get a large "normal" hex driver that goes on a ratchet, or most car parts places would be able to sell you something like these:


Or if you're cheap/desperate, a suitable bolt, nut and blob of weld will do in a pinch, then turn it with a socket or spanner.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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RealKyleH posted:

Properly heat treat
With cheap IR temp guns you don't need to guess or use the old colour charts for the heating temperature, so as long as you're talking air cool or a simple quench, you could probably do a pretty good job yourself. Of course, you'd also need to know which heat treat you want, and that's a whole other boiling vessel of halibut.

Proper HT gear is brilliant, until your vacuum furnace starts leaking and you don't realise until after you've scrapped $50,000 worth of parts...

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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RealKyleH posted:

I thought college books were expensive.
I'm the guy who has to keep our plant specification collection up to date. Sometimes they work out at $50+ per page. But you've got to have the latest issue if that's what's meant to be worked to, even if the only change is a correction to an obvious error you already knew about. And no, you don't get any kind of refund or discount of the spec has a mistake in it, you just have to wait for them to fix it and buy the new one.

:rodimus: isn't the half of it. At least most of the proprietary specifications are provided free of charge by customers if you're working on that particular job/programme (and can prove it, of course).

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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RealKyleH posted:

What sorta plant/specs if you don't mind me asking?
Specialist fasteners - aerospace, turbines etc.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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RealKyleH posted:

Bolts with holes in them? I work for a company that makes the cable to go in the holes among other things.
Yeah, I'd say around 15% of the parts we make are drilled for lockwiring.

giundy posted:

AS series nickle based alloys?
Steels, Inconel, Waspaloy, titanium, most common aerospace materials except aluminium alloys basically. There's a constant flow of a variety of AS and other standard parts, plus all the proprietary stuff as well - some being produced constantly, some only cropping up once in a decade or more. We offer a fast turnaround and small batch sizes, so our "catalogue" if you like runs to thousands of different parts.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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Money Walrus posted:

I keep seeing fancy new ratcheting box wrenches and all kinds of other newfangled electric-scissor type tools on the market today. Most of my tools are my grandfather's forged 1950s Craftsman ratchets, sockets, and combination wrenches. Is there anything newfangled that you guys feel is absolutely necessary for everyday wrenching? I don't even own an impact gun.
Other than specific sockets and bits for more modern fasteners, not really. Though if you need a 10" adjustable, buy Stanley's 10" locking adjustable instead:


Just buy good-quality kit as and when you really need something specific for a given job.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
Lead hammers also don't cause sparks, which is pretty useful in some environments (hitting slogging wrenches in piping work, for example).

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
Just buy a generic replacement regulator from wherever's cheapest?

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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PBCrunch posted:

There is a lot of talk about electrical connectors here so I will ask a question.

I am looking for a MALE relay harness. It is easy enough to find a female relay harness that the relay fits into, I am looking for something that will allow me to easily relocate a relay to a more convenient location without cutting existing wiring and without the chance of mixing up the wiring. I am looking for these in the hundreds of units.
If you want a reasonable quantity, then in that case it may be worth talking to someone about getting a simple mould made to make custom holders for off-the-shelf blade connectors from a different kind of connector block. You might even be able to patent it or something.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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FormulaXFD posted:

I would be starting from scratch if I went the TIG route.
:golfclap:

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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frozenphil posted:

Air ratchets seem like such a great idea until you actually use one. I'll pick up a regular ratchet instead of the air ratchet 99 times out of 100. What I'm saying is try one out before you plop down a couple hundred dollars on a tool you may not like much, especially for a lovely setup for a tool you may not like much.
Yeah, I do have a cheapy-cheap one that I find the odd use for, but it's a bit of a master-of-none kind of tool. Putting the same cash towards buying either a better impact gun or a better manual ratchet than you would otherwise is a more sensible investment.

I find it's only really useful for when I need something to sit there winding away on something that needs a bit more torque than a drill-type driver, but not the savagery of an impact wrench. T-800 CPU access port retaining screws, for instance.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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frozenphil posted:

loving BURN!
Maybe an air ratchet means jobs progress too quickly for your sensibilities.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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ab0z posted:

Compressed air powered festiva
Compressed air powered Festiva air compressor. gently caress you and your laws of thermodynamics.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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sbyers77 posted:


If I bought a Norbar torque wrench it'd be calibrated +/-3%, so that doesn't seem too bad to me, especially for the amount of money you're talking.

I'd be interested to see the same thing after a few months use.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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UK goons: B&Q have got a bank holiday special on this weekend with pressure washers for £20. They're a bit basic, obviously, but do the job.

They also have a garden electrics set of mover, strimmer and hedge trimmer for £25 if you're in dire need of them.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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I just discovered that when the cutting discs for my 9" angle grinder are worn down too small to use, they fit perfectly on my 4.5" grinder instead. Excellent!

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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Slung Blade posted:

Where the hell do you find a 9" angle grinder? That's loving gigantic.

Biggest I've ever seen was a 7 or a 7.5 or something.
Really? They're available drat near anywhere in the UK, most tool shops will have about half a dozen different models.



They're more expensive than smaller ones, but not by much.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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One of my workmates uses one (well, the same idea, not that particular make), and it seems to do a good job - the first time he used it, he pulled the sump plug afterwards to check, and it was pretty much bone dry.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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You can buy bearing drawer slides at DIY stores and fit them to a cheapo toolchest yourself, should the whim take you.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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Geared Hub posted:

Yeah, I was about to mention if you work at a shop/service center with lots of techs working, the local tool truck will give you EZ-credit to buy overpriced tool boxes.
Sell someone a big enough toolchest, and they won't be able to run away with it if they can't afford the payments.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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A 32mm would probably be good enough for something that's not that tight.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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MomJeans420 posted:

I know this has been discussed before in the tool thread, but I don't remember the consensus. What's the preferred way to make electrical connections for car audio work? I'm an rear end who used electrical tape, but now I have to change things around and it's all messy from the tape.
It's a total can of worms - some say solder, some say bullet connectors or similar (citing that solder will crack with vibration). Personally, I solder a lot of the time, and have never had a wire-wire joint come apart. I can see how a surface soldering could crack, though.

quote:

Also, what's the best way to make connections for wire that will be handling 110V that is also outside? The people who owned my house before me extended the cord for an outside light by cutting off the plug at the end of the card, then using electrical tape to connect it to an extension cord that was cut in half. I figure this can't be a good way to handle 110V near sprinklers...
DIY store connector box of the correct IP rating for where it'll be sited. Usually have regular screw-clamp fixings inside.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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Cat Hatter posted:

Wouldn't soldered wires have to already be under tension for the joint to even experience vibration, much less break because of it?
Pretty much, but people really latch onto the "DIY solder joints crack in automotive applications" thing for some reason.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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Josh Lyman posted:

That said, is there a better solution than just going to Home Depot and buying all these pieces separately? On a related note, what's the consensus on plastic tool boxes vs fabric tool bags?
Annoyingly, Halfords make exactly what you need, but the Atlantic is in the way:
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_713989_langId_-1_categoryId_165572

As for bags or boxes, boxes all the way.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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AnomalousBoners posted:

Also I break small taps (8-32 and under) all the time. Even with decent tapping procedures its just a bitch to tap tiny poo poo and when you're tapping a long part or something if it bends at all it'll often break the tap.
Get a pillar drill (even a broken one, it doesn't matter). Put the tap in the chuck and clamp your workpiece to the bed. Then you can hand-tap it with the whole thing held in alignment and running on bearings. If, as you say, you're using decent technique, eliminating the chance of movement, bending or sideloading should let you do it perfectly every time.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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AnomalousBoners posted:

I should probably start clamping it down after I use it to align it to eliminate the possibility of those moments. As it is I just stick a pin through the holes to limit but not eliminate rotation of the vise.
Yep, that's what I'd try. You could also see if anyone can recommend you a good tapping lube specifically for aluminium.

Sounds like they should really be using a larger thread with an insert rather than just tapping straight in with the small thread, but that's not going to happen, is it?

Could be worse, you could be the guy on our CNCs who snapped a dozen taps off in some not-bargain-basement inconel bits because he didn't check he'd drilled his pilot hole the right size. Oh how we laughed as a £90 tap went ping. :commissar:

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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I've added one of these to my old man's Christmas presents, seems like a useful little gadget:


It's a short extension bar with an LED light built into it, so you can target fastener heads in the depths of the engine bay or undercarriage without a separate torch.

I've had a fair few "Bugger, need both hands, have to try and correctly angle a penlight I'm holding in my mouth" situations that this should avoid.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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needknees posted:

Anyone have suggestions for a decent pressure washer, probably electric? I don't need something insanely powerful, basically I want one to spray dirtbikes off instead of having to stop at a carwash on the way home from riding.
Cheapest one you can find, from somewhere that lets you add a cheap 3-year warranty that includes accidental damage. For occasional use, they do the job, and when it breaks you go get another one.

Splizwarf posted:

Where'd you find it? Looks good.

e: Oh poo poo I forgot, :britain:

Dammit.
They're available in the US (http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_10104_00911984000P?prdNo=31), but oddly, they seem to be more expensive than the £10 I found one for here.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
Sounds like you might want to spend a bit more, yeah, so listen to Skyssx. My reasons for suggesting a cheapo one are that I have pretty minimal use requirements (hosing something down every now and then), and while they're guaranteed to break at some point, a £25 unit every year or two is fine by me.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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grover posted:

Sketches help, too.
Photos, too, now digital cameras are so cheap.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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Hey, hey, hey:



£25 for an 18v drill, grinder, jigsaw, torch and charger with two batteries. Standard Aldi 3-year warranty.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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The fasteners, fittings and pistons etc are still going to be ferrous, though, so check them out. A dousing of WD40 or similar might be an idea.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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I guess a proper cleaning, polishing and waxing beforehand might be a good idea, too.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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Rhyno posted:

You and your mod-logic are not welcome here! This is the TOOL thread! Not the masonry thread!
Masonic Logic?

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
Wood can be fine, but you want big, solid lumps of it, a shape that's naturally stable, and pay attention to which way the grain's running. A stack of small pieces is still a really, really bad idea. An old railway sleeper makes a good way of raising a trolley jack another 6", but you have to make sure it can't move. One danger is that the concentrated load of the wheels can compress the wood, and if that happens unevenly, the whole thing will start to tilt over.

The issue with cinder blocks and bricks is that, while they are quite strong in compression, this is based on them being part of a wall, and evenly loaded. Again, if you put something like a jack on a cinder block, or stick it under an axle, you're then putting a hefty point load onto it - it might just crush a little bit, or it might crack, or explode into a small pile of rubble. If you put a steel plate or something on it first, it might be ok, but I wouldn't bank on it.

Also, the compressive strength of a brick might be as low as 3.5MPa. Steel? Hundreds of MPa. Four figures for some grades.

The point is, a jack, an axle stand, a hoist or whatever is a piece of lifting equipment. It is designed, tested and rated to lift and/or support a given load, usually with a safety factor of 4:1 or higher. Do not use anything else unless you know exactly what you're doing, and "I've been doing this for years" or "Someone on the internet said" does not cut it.

If you find yourself not having enough height on your trolley jack or stands, you should probably just get a bigger one. I use a long-chassis 2-tonne trolley jack, which will lift from 5.5" to 32" - my cheapo basic one might drop slightly lower (about 5"), but the 15" max height was a joke on some of my cars - wouldn't even touch the jacking point in the first place.

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InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

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While a leadscrew isn't that likely to back itself out (as Nerobo pointed out, applications where this is desired use a much higher helix angle), you do still have to worry about it stripping. And even if it's perfect when new, over time you can get wear in the components.

I had an issue with clamp on a cut-off saw at one place I worked where it just wouldn't tighten down on the workpiece properly - turned out that debris had been working its way into the screw thread over time, and while the thread itself was perfectly fine (hardened steel), the block it ran in (bronze, I believe) had been worn almost completely smooth in just a few years of use. It'd screw down, but anything more than the lightest resistance would cause it to skip and back off. From the outside, you couldn't see anything wrong with it.

Now, that's a fairly extreme example, and it's not likely to happen with an occasionally-used jack, but stuff like this can go wrong. And, as Skyssx pointed out, the jack might well be poo poo in the first place. Most leadscrews are ok, but if you don't look after them (grease the threads etc), you might end up dropping a car on your head. Or bring down an aircraft.

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