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Can anyone recommend some free/cheapish VSTis? I'm just moving over from using Logic to Reaper, I have got Crystal, but Reaper really lacks any decent synths at all. Any are useful, I'm looking for a subtractive, an additive, and a sampler/drum machine mainly, but a good FM or granular synth would be appreciated too 
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Yoozer posted:Get this: http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=koreplayer Those look awesome thanks! The only thing is though I cant work out what the hell the koreplayer does (I havnt downloaded it yet)?
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Mar 11, 2008 23:32
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Kai was taken posted:Added Electro to the OP. If Eurodance gets a genre, Electro should. I think this pretty much covers most of the "main" genres, or at least enough to trace back derivative roots. Ahem, IDM/Glitch? 
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Mar 12, 2008 19:08
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Kai was taken posted:I'd say go with a Mac because of the ease of use with audio and MIDI routing. What do macs do with audio and midi routing different than pcs? (asking for information not starting a faggoty mac vs pc debate)
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Mar 13, 2008 02:12
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That does look pretty useful actually. Is there an equivelant windows app? I don't have need of it now really but would be good for future reference.
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Mar 13, 2008 21:30
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matblack posted:Great thread for beginners. I have a question a little off of elec music creation but felt it still worht asking here. If you're running on an intel system try to avoid USB soundcards if you can, they dont keep up a good usb transfer rate and give burst errors. Nothing really serious, but annoying sometimes. Also for the guy looking to start making stuff for cheap, definatly give reaper a try, everytime I use it I'm more and more impressed with it. Although if you do you will need some VSTs as it only comes with very basic stuff. Stux fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Mar 28, 2008 |
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Mar 28, 2008 13:45
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Kai was taken posted:I've never had this happen on P4 systems. I don't know what the Core 2's are doing, though. Yeah i think it may be just the core 2 duos sorry i shouldve said that.
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Apr 1, 2008 04:50
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Quincy Smallvoice posted:Another thing that helps immensly; Deadlines! This is completely true, I'm terrible at finishing tracks, but I had a deadline for one and sat down and finished the whole thing in a couple of days with no problems.
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Apr 18, 2008 13:58
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When you're using monitors you should have the two monitors and your head forming the 3 points of an equalaterial triangle, as perfect as you can possibly get it, and then just dont move from that spot for mixing.
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May 8, 2008 11:30
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Kai was taken posted:I'm of the opinion that people who spend tens of thousands of dollars on all sorts of extra bullshit for their studios are idiots. GUYS WE NEED DIAMOND-ENCRUSTED CABLES THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING OR ELSE..... OUR SIGNAL Wait, what exactly do you mean by the spending tens of thousands of dollars thing? Like, sound proofing and treatment or what?
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May 8, 2008 22:15
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IanTheM posted:Yeah, its almost excess because most people won't notice those tiny details and you should focus on the song writing. Well sound proofing stops or reduces sound coming in and going out of your mixing/recording area which is an obvious plus, and treatment lets you get rid of standing waves, weird reflections etc. Obviously overboard for most amateur stuff, but its not really fair to say that anyone doing it is an idiot adding extra bullshit to their studio.
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May 9, 2008 00:43
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IanTheM posted:Well, it makes sense for a studio. But I think he was writing from an amateur perspective. Obviously what separates a studio from your apartment is the specialization and money going into it. I assumed studio because he said "I'm of the opinion that people who spend tens of thousands of dollars on all sorts of extra bullshit for their studios are idiots."
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May 10, 2008 19:51
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IanTheM posted:Well, I guess its an investment/return type thing. If Madonna and Kanye West are frequenting your studio than I guess you have money to burn to have the best poo poo in the world. If you're on a budget than spending your money on that stuff is a waste no matter what. I'm not sure if I'm defending him anymore, I'm just saying it the way I see it. It's a business after all. There are some very cheap DIY ways to improve the sound of a room and how much sound leaks out though. Personally, even though I only do poo poo in a bed room, when I next move I'm going to be choosing a room where I can have my desk in the middle of a wall and use some light treatment and sound proofing. You can get nice results for little investment.
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May 11, 2008 12:16
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Overbite posted:I tried to mess around in Reaper and had no idea how to even make a noise, but using Fruity Loops I was able to make a basic song right away. Still don't know how to get the sounds I want though, everything sounds too clean and dancy. Heres the basics to using reaper: To make a track right click on the bit on the left and make a track. The tracks can all use both midi and audio. Click the FX button on the track, then load up your instruments and effects. Click insert and then midi info or whatever it is, then draw in your notes. Hooray! Not completely accurate as its from memory but near enough. If you cant figure something out there is a wiki dedicated to repear on their website so have a look at that, has stuff about first time setup, midi controllers etc.
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May 13, 2008 16:48
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GOAT, CARRY ME posted:I wonder why so many people in ML seem to shy away from Logic? For my money (and with a student ID, it was only $150) it's the best production-level program shy of ProTools for not only electronic music, but any style really. That said, I flip back and forth between it and Ableton Live LE (again, only $150) and can do just about anything I can imagine. Actually oddly enough, I moved away from Logic onto Reaper. The course I'm doing teaches Logic on Logic 6 and offers free macbooks with Logic 8 on them. Logic is nice, and the fact it comes with some decent synths is awesome, but I dont like some of the things it does. Also I really dont like the changes they made in logic 8, I'm more used to 5 and 6 and prefer them to 8. It feels like they're dumbing it down and making it more garage band-esque. I like how Reaper works, its got a nicer work flow for me, and some of the bundled plug ins are awesome. The fact its so cheap and runs on both mac and pc (I use both daily) and can be run from a usb stick just seals the deal.
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Jun 10, 2008 11:21
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GOAT, CARRY ME posted:the point is that apples use uniform hardware across the board so the number of variables that need to be taken into consideration are significantly lower than with PCs. but you probably knew that.. Intel cpus are pretty much the only "uniform" hardware in a mac. And even then they use the whole product range including even server cpus.
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Jun 15, 2008 11:20
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Sock It posted:Right now I'm mixing on Audacity, which is a pain (to say the very least). It's hard for me to beat match, there's no BPM analyzer, I can't set markers easily, and I have to guess and estimate for a lot of manipulation. It's not that Audacity is a bad program, but I'm beginning to get the feeling that's it's entirely the wrong one. Reaper isnt an easy program, it just doesnt work how you are wanting it to work, and I doubt most standard DAWs would either.
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Jun 23, 2008 03:14
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Rkelly posted:Different strokes for different folks. I want sampled strings I guess. I just don't know much about what makes good strings. I guess I need standard string quartet practices and what intervals the harmonies are and what not. Look into the EWQL orchestral libraries. Huge collections of sampled strings (and brass etc also) that sound pretty drat good. Expensive though.
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Jul 14, 2008 18:57
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OMGWTFAOLBBQ posted:Start making... hardcore tracks? Making electronica is like playing an instrument. You start off poo poo and practice at it to get better, making a hardcore bassline is a technique just like sweep picking or something on guitar. When you first try it'll sound horrible, you've just got to keep on at it until it clicks.
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Jul 15, 2008 20:12
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I Dig Gardening posted:NitroTracker is loving amazing and is one of the easiest music programs I have ever used, plus it's insanely in depth.. editing wavs, volume, a sampler.. the whole deal. Amazing. Check out protein DS as well. I havnt got it working yet, but it looks loving awesome.
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Aug 10, 2008 10:24
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Lynx Winters posted:I'm using Reaper at the moment because my internet connection out here is extremely lovely so it's pretty much the only thing I can get. I'll definitely check out the demo for Live when I get back, though. So far I've found that Reaper is an affordable intro to how DAWs work, but it seems pretty barebones compared to the features the big boys like Live seem to have. I'd disagree on this, Reaper is definatly a fully featured DAW in every sense of the word. I've infact moved FROM Logic to basically Reaper only.
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Sep 6, 2008 19:39
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Kai was taken posted:Terrible idea. You're suggesting that he use a fledgling software suite as his first DAW. Again, going to disagree with this. Reaper is already competitive with "proper" DAWs for features, speed, everything really. I can't really see any area where is lacking, what do you find it lacking in?
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Sep 9, 2008 09:07
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I Dig Gardening posted:I understand that, that's not really my point. The point is when I'm in arrangement view it's clear as day where the cowbells come in and where the kick drum stops for the break. I can see all of the individual drum tracks and how they interact with each other. If I use drum racks it's just one big blob on one track. At a glimpse, that gives me cy information as to what's going on in the drums. Plus, the whole routing thing like I mentioned. I like to route poo poo Also I'd like to point out this method is awesome for making idm/jungle/hosed up breakbeats. Lets you have the whole piano grid of pitch for each drum sound.
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Sep 20, 2008 09:26
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RivensBitch posted:Point of fact - if you are using attack times below 50ms, you are not compressing, you are limiting. Many people prefer limiting on their drums, and many "compressors" have attack times that can be set to limit. But to take a compressor, lower it's attack to 1ms, and start trying to school people on how this is your preferred means of "compression"... well, that's like telling someone that a reverb box is the best way to create delay. It's one way to create delay, I suppose, but you're going to confuse anyone who doesn't know the difference themselves. I could also take a delay box, crank the feedback all the way up, and use it to create loops, but if I called it a looping box and posted on a forum that this was the best way to do live looping, I'd be doing a lot of beginners and novices a great disservice. Uh, a limiter is just a very fast and hard compressor, trying to say that someone is limiting if they use a fast attack on a compressor is kind of weird logic, because limiting IS compressing. They are just compressing it a lot. If I used a compressor with a 1ms attack time and a ratio of 4:1 would you call that a limiter or compressor?
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Sep 26, 2008 12:20
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RivensBitch posted:THIS is compression: No seriously a limiter is a very hard compressor. If we're going to quote wikipedia then here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_range_compression#Limiting
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Sep 26, 2008 17:49
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RivensBitch posted:Exactly my point, when you use fast (hard) attack settings on a compressor, you are limiting. The ratio really doesn't matter if the attack is slow, because then you aren't limiting, you are compressing. No, if you are using hard compressing you are compressing something hard. When you are using a limiter that uses a fast attack and large ratio you are compressing something hard. Limiting like this is simply another form of compression, expressing it how you are (hard compressing should just be called limiting) just confuses people and isn't accurate, as there is another type of limiting where the peaks are simply cut off rather than gain adjustment like a compressor. Also, what wandering kid said.
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Sep 26, 2008 21:21
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RivensBitch posted:So I have a question for WanderingKid and Stux. When setting up delay on a vocal send, what's the best value to start with for the pre-delay setting? Do you prefer a hall, or a vocal plate? Or maybe a spring delay? I want a lot of echo, so should I set the diffusion value high or low? I think in both cases what you need to do is get a compressor and set it up like this:  That should get you the sounds you are looking for!!!
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Sep 27, 2008 09:57
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oredun posted:can you play an instrument? for me taking lessons for my instrument(and im in college for music, jazz specifically, which again i couldnt learn properly from a book) really opened my eyes to so many techniques that i just couldnt have understood from a book. so thats why i recommend a teacher because they can actually teach you stuff and you dont just read dry rear end literature about what you are doing. I dont think there are really many teachers that teach electronic music making? Other than taking a course at a college on music tech or whatever.
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Oct 11, 2008 19:47
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El Scandelouse posted:i dont really see how making electronic music is much different than regular music? Learning an instrument is a lot different to learning how to use a DAW, VSTs, as well as learning the different styles of music etc.
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Oct 11, 2008 21:43
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I Dig Gardening posted:What do ya'll use to organize your drum samples in Logic/Pro Tools? I'm a diehard simpler in Live kinda guy, with seperated tracks for EVERY indivdual drum hit.. but now I'm attempting to learn Logic and quickly learning I don't know what the gently caress to do with drums once I've lost my precious Simpler and Impulse. I'm thinking about just straight up putting them all in as audio tracks.. but working with fills just sounds horrendous without MIDI. Uh just load up multiple ESX24s? Why do you want each hit on a seperate track by the way?
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Oct 21, 2008 22:32
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The Fog posted:NI Battery If thats the only reason then set the EXS up as multi out, you get seperate channels for each hit for putting on EQ, compression, effects etc, while having the ease of using one track for all the programming.
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Oct 21, 2008 22:44
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I Dig Gardening posted:It was a trick I learned from MSTRKRFT. My drums have improved quadruple ever since I started doing it. What helps me is that I can CLEARLY see where the hi hats come in, the cowbell drops.. where the break happens.. etc. If it's just one track holding all that info I can't visually see any of that. All I see is a single bar. That visual aspect for me is key and it let's me be more creative and intuitive! Afaik you can aux the exs outs as well. Also fair enough on the other point, I much prefer having all the programming in one lump, I find it easier to read that way
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Oct 22, 2008 22:41
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cubicle gangster posted:I had the axiom 61 at mine for a while and it was pretty good. Edirol is roland so v  vI have the PCR800, its nice, has a lot of sliders, knobs, drum pads, the keys are nice. Its nice!
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Nov 15, 2008 11:20
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Is there no EQ in reason or something?
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Dec 7, 2008 12:53
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One way to get good BoC type sound is running the synth through an autotuner set to 0ms attack. If theres a little bit of modulation on the synth already it really gets that pitch bending sound spot on.
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Dec 19, 2008 02:05
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Halo posted:there's a few ways to get wavering pitch, but boc's sound is more than just that. they use old samplers and old gear to make their music sound, well, genuinely old. tycho does it better than anyone and even he doesn't sound as authentic as they do. http://www.last.fm/music/Stux/2008+Demo/Swept
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Dec 19, 2008 13:08
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Unless your sampler is using tape its going to be digital...
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Dec 23, 2008 22:32
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Halo posted:SYNTHS? I know Logic has great effects, but synths? You could get by with logic and no VST synths at all pretty easily.
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Dec 31, 2008 23:26
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Kai was taken posted:There's the problem If you're in the uk and not in a uni the apple student discount is pretty dire, on a macbook pro and logic 8 I saved about £200 if that. Whats the percent in the US?
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Altoidss posted:If I wanted to sample extensively from a classical piano track played rubato (so the tempo wavers around) in Ableton I could just warp it. The audio editor in logic which comes up from double clicking the file has a warping function.
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