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Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k

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PringleCreamEgg
Jul 2, 2004

Sleep, rest, do your best.
Vinland Saga: I love this series dearly, it’s one of my favorites, but it’s getting harder to get through these chapters. It’s not misery-porn or anything but I’m so attached to the characters and watching this happen and knowing the inevitable outcome is really tough for me.

Lt. Lizard
Apr 28, 2013

Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010
Not a spoiler

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
https://twitter.com/MangaMoguraRE/status/1726218982951125354?t=wrShoy064ZQswTGXbPUbnQ&s=19

Interesting, another addition to the cottage industry of contemporary viking revenge tales. When do we get the crossover with Vinland Saga and The Northman?

mabels big day
Feb 25, 2012

I think Einar might die in this arc. This entire situation gives me anxiety

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
new Vinland Saga

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
gently caress... Cordelia

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k
:negative:

Lt. Lizard
Apr 28, 2013

Arc Hammer posted:

gently caress... Cordelia

I read that as gently caress Cordelia at first and was about to get angry.

The chapter is just pure misery in so many ways. Everything is falling apart.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
I honestly don't see the entire rest of the series NOT being misery.

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute
This all kinda feels like the last nail in the coffin for Thorfinn's desire to avoid an open conflict. Even if the Lnu raiders get driven off the settlers are going to be pissed enough about the unprovoked attack that they'll want revenge. :(

It also definitely feels like we're barrelling towards a Einar disavowing Thorfinn's pacifism and siding with the war faction.

Flesnolk
Apr 11, 2012
“The entire arc was pointless and might as well not have happened at all” is certainly a direction

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
I mean that's kinda true to history though. It ultimately failed.

Buschmaki
Dec 26, 2012

‿︵‿︵‿︵‿Lean Addict︵‿︵‿︵‿
I think Thorfinn going to an already inhabited land and expecting there to be no conflict at all because the people there wouldnt have really understood war is sorta.... patronizng and colonialist.

If he really wished to persuade an entire people to abandon conflict there was no point to him leaving Europe. The Native guy who wants a sword explicitly wants it for conflict with other native people after this period of cooperation is over. Thorfinn's dream sorta failed before it even started.

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute
I see it as less sneering colonist and more ignorant idealism on Thorfinn's part. He wanted to flee the systems of power and violence that defined his society and all other societies he knew of, and clung to Leif's flowery descriptions of Vinland as a new world where he could "start fresh" so to speak, without having to tackle the baggage of systems of like war, slavery, and state-sanctioned violence. Yeah he probably could have just stuck around in Iceland and tried to eradicate war and slavery there, but then you're always living in fear that one day a couple viking ships roll up and burn it all down unless you disavow non-violence and pick up a sword to fight back. In Thorfinn's mind, Vinland was far enough away that he could escape that possibility.

As for his preconceptions of the natives, again it just comes of more as naive that he assumed all he had to do was approach them non-violently and they in turn would reciprocate. Also critically, when the Lnu indicate they're not going to be willing to peacefully co-exist with the Norse, Thorfinn's response is not to try and force his views and ideals on the Lnu, but rather to go "okay fine we'll leave then" and pack it up.

PringleCreamEgg
Jul 2, 2004

Sleep, rest, do your best.
I will once again say that I was really hoping for a bullshit ending where it’s actually alt-history and peaceful coexistence is possible. I still want to believe that no one has any enemies.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



PringleCreamEgg posted:

I will once again say that I was really hoping for a bullshit ending where it’s actually alt-history and peaceful coexistence is possible. I still want to believe that no one has any enemies.

No enemies.

Merely topographies of ignorance.

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
drat, what a hard to read chapter

poor cordelia...

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

Sydin posted:

As for his preconceptions of the natives, again it just comes of more as naive that he assumed all he had to do was approach them non-violently and they in turn would reciprocate. Also critically, when the Lnu indicate they're not going to be willing to peacefully co-exist with the Norse, Thorfinn's response is not to try and force his views and ideals on the Lnu, but rather to go "okay fine we'll leave then" and pack it up.
I think it was a possibility before they started dying in droves to the nord-brought pestilence

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


:smith:

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007


Buschmaki
Dec 26, 2012

‿︵‿︵‿︵‿Lean Addict︵‿︵‿︵‿
ngl Thorfinn's whole plan was sorta... irresponsible and I feel bad for the guys he roped into it

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
his plan was explicitly "let's travel beyond the ends of the known world to escape the hell of violence and degradation that surrounds us"

when you sign on with a guy planning to sail to the part of the map that says here there be monsters, you know you're taking a real gamble

Buschmaki
Dec 26, 2012

‿︵‿︵‿︵‿Lean Addict︵‿︵‿︵‿
All these icelandic dudes knew Vinland existed

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


easier to be an arch pacifist when you can beat up a hundred armed dudes barehanded

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
I went back and finished season 2 of Vinland Saga. I was binging hard months ago but once it got to the Gardar episodes everything just kinda grinds to a halt losing the momentum that was built up. Thankfully once Ketil and Leif made it back to the farm and their story linked back to Thorfinn and company it got much better. The last two episodes of the show were particularly great, and if they never get back to do a Season 3 while Mappa burns itself to the ground overworking its staff its as good a place to end as someone could ask for. Some much needed funny moments after the emotional hammer and anvil of the season. Just... kind of perfect closure.

I still think I like Season 1 better overall. It certainly moves quicker whereas Season 2 can be slow and contemplative to a fault, especially with those Gardar episodes. But aside from the pacing and the general stiffness of some of the animation compared to Season 1 it still delivered with the complex character, performances and the truly unpleasant/downright horrific portrayal of violence and its consequences. It's a rare anime to be this brutal and not indulge in the carnage but to instead lay it bare and make you sick.

If only crunchyroll's player wasn't so garbage and they actually subtitled untranslated text on their dubbed episodes. You either get full closed captioning on the subbed episodes or you get nothing at all on the dub track.

Flesnolk
Apr 11, 2012
It's on Netflix too for what that's worth

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
I know but I was sticking with CR since I think the Sentai/CR dub cast is generally a lot stronger than the Netflix cast. David Wald just oozes as Askeladd in a way Kirk Thornton doesn't. Kirk is still great but he's more gruff than charismatic, imo.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Oh finally, a new Bride's Story update!


Or you know,
kind of.

Brought To You By
Oct 31, 2012
Beards are very important.

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
loling at mori. "i feel weird drawing nude figures because there isn't anywhere to stick intricate bits and bobs, and if it's men you can't even focus on drawing awesome bozangas, so i just feel numb"

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
New Vinland Saga Chapter

Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010
🥲

Lt. Lizard
Apr 28, 2013
Yeeep, that was both great and heart-rending. Which I guess will be a theme going forward. :smith:

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k

strong



STRONG

Equeen
Oct 29, 2011

Pole dance~
I wanna hug Cordelia

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying
I'm so happy she's okay. :unsmith:

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
ahahahahahaha "yep, we're not getting through that, let's get the gently caress outta here before she actually tries to do literally anything

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Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.
Cordelia is the BEST. She's exactly what Thorfinn aspires to be. :unsmith:

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