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Jobsite table saws are pretty awful unless you're actually a contractor who needs to be able to shove your whole workshop in a van; then they're still awful but you're in the business of making that everyone else's problem. The DeWalt jobsites are the only ones I'm aware of that make a real effort to keep the rip fence square, and I never ran into blade calibration issues on my exceptionally beat-up one, but if you've got a lot of space any old cabinet saw on Facebook Marketplace will be a dramatic step up, just be sure to get one with a riving knife since that wasn't a standard piece of equipment in olden times
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having screwed around with several mediocre table saws over the years, I'd say that the best way to go is to Just Get a Good One, whether it's new or used. If you can't Just Get a Good One, take whatever crap you feel safe using and use it only for the work that really needs a table saw and has no other workarounds. I'm never buying another mediocre table saw. If the rigid contractor saw that I have now dies, or if I decide to replace it, I'm going full sawstop. If I can't afford to do that, I'll grab a used cheap saw and essentially convert it into a dedicated specialty sled / dado device.
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dont overlook rigid, they make(maybe made, ive been out of the trades for a few years and havent kept up with tool quality as much) good tools. all of their portable motorized tools ive used have always lasted forever
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My Spirit Otter posted:dont overlook rigid, they make(maybe made, ive been out of the trades for a few years and havent kept up with tool quality as much) good tools. Like, it's functional and it cuts wood, but it's fit and finish stuff. I'm just not satisfied with the fence enough to use it without a square nearby, the adjustment knobs are wonky, I can't get the throat plate to sit flush (though I haven't tinkered with it much), and it's old enough that it doesn't have a built-in splitter, though it does have one that attaches to the blade guard (which is big and clunky enough that I can only use it for wide rips and my recent projects have been like "I need 60 3/4 inch square sticks"). I would not recommend anyone buy the same saw for more than "gently caress yeah that's a good deal for a table saw" prices. I bought it from a friend who was moving as a favour to him, with a bunch of other stuff. It was an upgrade from my old one, both in quality and safety. e. though yes, portability on this saw is amazing - it has a nice stand and wheels around like a champ. If I ever need to take it anywhere I'll be the life of the party.
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The dewalt 7491 is rather quite good. I used one for several years until I had a big enough shop to get a proper cabinet saw They go on sale every once in a while, but even at full price they’re like $700 with a pretty nice collapsing stand The only thing that I really didn’t like about it was how short the indeed side of the table is
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If you don't have a table saw, what's the best option for a clean and straight cut on plywood? A circular saw with a jig?
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Tracksaw, which comes out to p much the same thing
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My Spirit Otter posted:dont overlook rigid, they make(maybe made, ive been out of the trades for a few years and havent kept up with tool quality as much) good tools. My first table saw when I started getting into woodworking was a rigid on a gravity rise stand and the blade/fence were perfect out of the box and never needed any adjusting for the whole time I used it. Then I bought a bigger used saw and entered a world of pain with bad alignments and lovely fences. Since I no longer have any table saw I am actually considering getting another Rigid.
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Squibbles posted:My first table saw when I started getting into woodworking was a rigid on a gravity rise stand and the blade/fence were perfect out of the box and never needed any adjusting for the whole time I used it. Then I bought a bigger used saw and entered a world of pain with bad alignments and lovely fences. Since I no longer have any table saw I am actually considering getting another Rigid. I've got one of these: https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/ten-in-professional-cast-iron-table-saw It was about $700 at HD and has done a good job for me.
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Deteriorata posted:I've got one of these: https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/ten-in-professional-cast-iron-table-saw Yeah I've looked at those in the past and have heard they are pretty good. Weird the reviews are so low on the ridgid site. In our new place I'm not yet confident that I'll have room for a non-collapsable saw. but we'll see
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Is the Delta 36-725 still a surprisingly good table saw for the money? I sometimes think about getting one when I pretend I'm going to clean out my garage enough to have space for a table saw.
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Olothreutes posted:Is the Delta 36-725 still a surprisingly good table saw for the money? I sometimes think about getting one when I pretend I'm going to clean out my garage enough to have space for a table saw. I like mine. The biggest issues are dust collection (bottom of the saw is pretty open, especially on the T2) and the extension tables, which are stamped steel and absolutely not flat. Both are pretty fixable, you can build an enclosure around the bottom of the saw, and build extension tables that aren't useless.
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Eason the Fifth posted:If you don't have a table saw, what's the best option for a clean and straight cut on plywood? A circular saw with a jig? I spent $300 on the kreg track saw for a project and it saved me way more than that in effort and frustration
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out of curiosity, i know old delta shop tools are second to none, but i havent heard anything about delta beyond the 90s. they still have that reputation?
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I wouldn't say "second to none" but they still have a very good reputation, yes. Plenty of professional shops use the pro-tier Deltas. I think if you are shopping on a budget, you might slightly prefer Grizzly or Rikon for very similar quality at perhaps a bit less money, and goons have generally had good things to say about those brands in here too. I have a Rikon 14" bandsaw that I'm happy with. But similarly in the Delta bracket of quality are outfits like Wen, Jet, SCM, and Laguna. Then there's sawstop. And if you are thinking about buying a brand new cabinet or shop table saw, you may want to see how the latest proposed legislation falls out, because America may be mandating sawstop-like technology for all new saws very soon. That might lower prices on that, or it might increase prices for all lower-tier saws, so  it's an interesting time for table saws!Contractor-grade stuff is solidly in the DeWalt and Rigid type of brand and those are totally fine for what you get too. If I was buying a portable/contractor table saw I'd probably buy one of those, over one of the above brands. e. I forgot to mention Powermatic, they're a fine quality brand too. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Apr 19, 2024 |
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There are a few exceptions to this, but in general my rule of thumb is don't buy machinery (lots of cast iron, not portable, has a big induction motor on it-cabinet saws, jointers, planers over 13," bandsaws, drill presses) from a power tool (portable, plastic and aluminum, some kind of universal motor-circ saws, routers, power drills etc.) brand. Delta is one of those brands trying to do both and I don't think it's workin great for them.My Spirit Otter posted:out of curiosity, i know old delta shop tools are second to none, but i havent heard anything about delta beyond the 90s. they still have that reputation? Old Delta stuff is a huge range of quality. Before Rockwell sold the brand in the 80s it was good quality high-end hobbyist/low-end professional stuff, and mostly stayed pretty good and largely made domestically. After Black and Decker bought them in the early 2000s it became alot more of a Taiwan-import brand that still traded on the old name and faded out almost all domestic manufacturing like Jet, Powermatic, General, Oliver, etc. but mostly still made decent machinery. Unisaws I think have always been (still are?) made in the US. I had a made in Taiwan delta jointer and it was great till it fell off a forklift. There was some really great heavy industrial stuff in the 80s/90s sold under the Rockwell and later Delta names manufactured by Invicta in Brazil that has a good reputation on the used market. Leperflesh posted:
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Noob question here. I'm going to make a glorified 3x5 Ikea Kallax out 3/4" plywood. Like basic cubbies. Would it be better to have continuous vertical dividing panels, or continuous shelves?
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Continuous verticals IMO, because they're the load-bearing portion. Then you just need to hang each individual shelf onto the vertical walls, which can be done any number of ways. For example, you could stack all of your verticals together, then drill through them to create dowel holes (which are automatically aligned because you stacked the verticals together), install a short dowel section in each individual hole, and rest the shelves on the dowels.
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Probably worth noting how the actual Kallax is designed, which is with two thicker verticals on the outside, continuous shelves between those, and then vertical dividers between the shelves to make the cubes.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Continuous verticals IMO, because they're the load-bearing portion. Then you just need to hang each individual shelf onto the vertical walls, which can be done any number of ways. For example, you could stack all of your verticals together, then drill through them to create dowel holes (which are automatically aligned because you stacked the verticals together), install a short dowel section in each individual hole, and rest the shelves on the dowels. You want to build these things with continuous horizontal shelves. The shelves are where the load goes, and if you build with continuous verticals all the weight will be resting on whatever joins the shelf to the vertical. The load-bearing component won't be the plywood vertical, it'll be the dowel supporting the shelf. If you build with continuous horizontals, the shelf will be resting on top of the vertical dividers which will make them the primary load-bearing component. The joinery here would just be for alignment purposes.  That's why every flat pack cube organizer you'll ever assemble has long shelves resting on short dividers.
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Khizan posted:You want to build these things with continuous horizontal shelves. If I were to do continuous shelves, dadoes would be a bad idea for joinery, right? Pocket screws might even be better in this case? Those two methods are pretty much the only thing in my wheelhouse at the moment.
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if you're making it yourself, why not half-lap it so that every piece is continuous
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:Jet, Laguna, Powermatic are all about the same pretty decent Taiwanese imports (Jet/Powermatic are the same company) but SCM (unless theres a SCM that isn't the Italian one) is light years above and WEN is like harbor freight quality ime. Probably mostly okay and great for the price, but keep your expectations low. How much do you disagree with https://www.woodsmith.com/review/best-band-saw/? There are three WENs on their list, and that's why I included them, but I have no personal experience with those. They also recommend the Delta 28-400. Reviews generally seem to be quite good for the Laguna 1412 series bandsaw, too. People like the ceramic guides even though they're expensive to replace. Except the people who hate them, becuase they mis-positioned the saw blade and the ceramic rubbed against the teeth and ruined them in short order. Hmm. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Apr 19, 2024 |
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Leperflesh posted:How much do you disagree with https://www.woodsmith.com/review/best-band-saw/? There are three WENs on their list, and that's why I included them, but I have no personal experience with those. They also recommend the Delta 28-400. Despite being from Woodsmith which is a mediocre but real woodworking magazine, that looks like every AI-generated 'review' article ever and two of those three WEN bandsaws are portabands for metal, and in the same article it list 'heavy' as a con for a stationary bandsaw which is the opposite of a con for me, so I guess I'd disagree with it totally? I don't have much personal hands on WEN experience but a buddy of mine has gotten a few of their things for small projects over the years and the Harbor Freight comparison was his. And Laguna definitely brings in good bandsaws! That's what they made their name on.
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:Despite being from Woodsmith which is a mediocre but real woodworking magazine, that looks like every AI-generated 'review' article ever Yup. No authors, just quote:Woodsmith Review Team Just google that email address to turn up more of this garbage: https://www.cuisineathome.com/review/author/cuisine-review-team/ https://www.sailmagazine.com/review/author/sailmag/ https://www.oldcarsweekly.com/review/author/old-cars-review-team/ https://www.gardengatemagazine.com/review/author/garden-gate-review-team/ HappyHippo fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Apr 19, 2024 |
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Hopefully that doesn't happen to Fine Woodworking, it'll be an instant end to my annual subscription if they start doing AI content.
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:Despite being from Woodsmith which is a mediocre but real woodworking magazine, that looks like every AI-generated 'review' article ever and two of those three WEN bandsaws are portabands for metal, and in the same article it list 'heavy' as a con for a stationary bandsaw which is the opposite of a con for me, so I guess I'd disagree with it totally? I don't have much personal hands on WEN experience but a buddy of mine has gotten a few of their things for small projects over the years and the Harbor Freight comparison was his. Weight is only an issue when you need to move a stationary tool, which really makes these 'reviews' questionable as gently caress lmao Also, having owned a Laguna 14BX for a few years now it has handled everything I've thrown at it without issue. Resawing 250+ mm wide beech without a hitch. Only point of annoyance is that the dust collection isn't perfect, but by bandsaw standards still very solid. Definitely in a different category than WEN by the looks of it.
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Khizan posted:You want to build these things with continuous horizontal shelves. Hm, I'm not sure I follow the logic here. Certainly you're correct that the dowels would be taking load, but they'd be taking the load of one short shelf section, which isn't going to be much. The issue I have with short verticals and continuous shelves is that it seems much more prone to racking if your joinery isn't on point. I am of course open to being corrected, but I feel like continuous verticals has the simplest joinery and the least risk of spontaneous disassembly. Of course, if you secure everything to a backing of 1/4" plywood then you'll be fine either way.
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feeling very stupid r/n for linking to an AI article lol and lmao
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Leperflesh posted:feeling very stupid r/n for linking to an AI article lol and lmao I wouldn’t, it’s going to happen to all of us soon or later
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Wen makes regular appearances in "I tried out the cheapest ___" on Amazon videos
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*kicks my aliexpress Makita knocknoff router under the bench*
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I just managed to completely stall out my jointer It’s a late 80s/early 90s delta with an aluminum fence that I got for $50 and it’s always been pretty sketch, but that’s the final straw. Backing the wood off to let the motor spin back up was not a super safe or great feeling experience. Are there any decent 6/8” jointers that I can buy new relatively cheap or do I need to really hunker down and do daily craigslist scans?
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Sockser posted:I just managed to completely stall out my jointer Have you checked the belt tension/condition? Are the knives sharp? Sounds to me more like a slipping belt than a stalled motor unless you were taking a really heavy cut and the knives are dull. Also next time don't back the wood off, just lift it up against the fence. Otherwise, all the things listed above-Grizzly, Jet, Laguna, Rikon, Ridgid (I think makes/used to make a jointer) etc. or used.
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Knives are definitely sharp, replaced fairly recently Belt slipping I'd believe, it does have a faint air of burnt rubber whenever I'm running things through it
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First step is open up and inspect. Look for debris gumming up the works, signs of worn or slipping belt, misalignment of belt, etc.
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Brushes if the motor has em may be worth checking. Preferably before you fuse the holder.
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Sockser posted:Knives are definitely sharp, replaced fairly recently
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Very pleased with how chair number 4 is coming along. This morning I wrapped up the last of the major work, getting the joinery for the short sticks & the crest done. Next up is all the little detail work (sanding, smooth planing, breaking edges, etc) before I move on to finishing & assembly.
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