Meow Meow Meow posted:
first question. how do I tan the pig hide
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# ? Apr 25, 2024 03:19 |
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# ? May 5, 2024 18:15 |
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I outsourced that part.
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# ? Apr 25, 2024 03:42 |
*taking notes* fascinating
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# ? Apr 25, 2024 03:46 |
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Just Winging It posted:I didn't know Bridge City sponsored youtubers, those guys don't seem to touch anything that doesn't come in a systainer or requires physical effort lmao Video content: Felder/Hammer gave me this sliding table saw to try out, now I don’t need a shooting board! There is a ton of manual skill in woodworking, and especially hand tool woodworking, that really can only be gained by time on the tools. I think the appeal of fancy tools is that they’ll let you skip that, but they won’t. Someone with 20 years experience can use a bad chisel more effectively than someone with little experience can use a good one. They’ll also know the difference between a bad chisel and a good one, and be able to turn a bad one into a good one. That being said, if you’re teaching yourself from books or YouTube or whatever, buying a known good tool can be super helpful to know what the tool should feel like and how it should work when it’s working well. This has come up itt before and it never occurred to me as a problem, but most people doing woodworking at home are self taught, and even the best video can’t show you what a well set-up plane or properly ground skew should feel like. Being able to have someone who knows what they’re doing hand you a tool that is set up so you can get your eBay plane to feel like that one, or better yet someone looks at your eBay plane and says ‘oh yeah that’s sharp but you’ve got the chip breaker waaaay too far back and that’s causing all your problems’ is really huge. I’ve never taken a woodworking class, but it seems like that kind of stuff would be as useful as whatever the class was actually nominally about. Anyway THE BEST PLANE that everyone should have is a good metal block plane. If I grab a plane (which isn’t as often as I’d like) it’s probably that one. It’s weird because they are kinda esoteric but my hollows and rounds are probably the 2nd most common planes I use. I don’t do a ton of hand plane work because I have machines and sandpaper for that but hollows and rounds solve a lot of problems in my work that aren’t easily, quickly, or cheaply solved any other other way.
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# ? Apr 25, 2024 04:01 |
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I have to plane all my wood by hand because I don't have space for any machines. Actually I just got a thickness planer because I can fit it under my bench. Now I can just use the hand planes to flatten one side and one edge and use the machine for the other two (unless the board is too wide in which case I guess I'll have to hand plane the opposite edge too).
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# ? Apr 25, 2024 04:45 |
I have an all wood near 3ft jointer plane and its great. Dialing in the blade depth and angle is a bit fussy and its annoying you have to typically do it more than once per session in use but i also get very fast at dialing it in if i use it more often. At this point, I’d say the best tool is the one that you’re going to actually just sit down and use right away .
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# ? Apr 25, 2024 12:25 |
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For the past ~5 years I've been accumulating a collection of inexpensively-bought used metal and wood planes of every size and mostly of OK to goodish condition. Fixing them up, using them, figuring out that what I had "fixed up" wasn't quite right, and re-doing things has been an ongoing learning process. It has required a great deal of patience and a high level of attention to detail. But I didn't really figure out how to make a very large piece of wood flat until I'd tried to do it three or four times. Most recently I bought a big plank of alder, cut it up, and edge jointed it, and then hand-planed about a quarter inch off of it trying to get it flat in all dimensions after it twisted and warped to hell and back. I really had to learn how to use my radiused fore plane and then the try plane and that involved getting them sharp and keeping them sharp, learning how to plane across the grain, marking the wrong corners and making it worse for a while before realizing my mistake and going across the other two corners with a lot more effort to fix that, etc. Part of this process has revealed that I did not adequately flatten and sharpen about half the plane irons I thought I'd fixed up. I think 100% of the used planes I've bought have needed significant work on the irons not just to sharpen them but to get them flat first, profile the edge properly, and then get actually satisfactory results with the edge because those other two steps were done right first. I hadn't exactly done those things wrong before, I'd watched videos and followed instructions, I had just stopped at what I thought was "good enough" because it was taking a ton of effort and mess and my hands hurt and arms were tired. When what I really needed was to be brave and use a grinder, take a significant bit of the iron off, or even in one case just give up on a completely hosed iron and replace it. The completely hosed iron got hosed by the instructor of the one woodworking class I've taken. It was out of true (bent, basically) and he took it over to the belt sander and tried to fix it by hand and made it 10x worse and then told me it was good now. Dude was a cool instructor, it was a good class, and I genuinely didn't know any better, but I've been fighting with that one #4 plane ever since and I finally realized it's because the back is just unrecoverably non-flat. Anyway. None of this should discourage anyone from getting an old plane. But I think it speaks to what others are saying that just getting a lot of experience with hand tools is necessary to really start to get a muscle-memory feel for them and get great results, and spending lots of money on a very fancy expensive one doesn't remove that requirement. I personally find working with these old tools very rewarding and I don't want to overstate the issues, I've made several projects successfully with these planes over the last few years even with them not functioning at 100%. But now I'm working in non-straight-grained walnut making curved pieces and doing joinery where precision and flatness and not digging in or chattering and being true across the width of the iron etc. etc. are all critical to this project and it's actually working and there's no way I could have done this 4 years ago.
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# ? Apr 25, 2024 17:42 |
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HappyHippo posted:Never done this before. One down, 3 to go: Update on this, I added face frames and installed them: Next up: making a counter of some sort, then doors for the lower cupboards. I wasn't expecting the floor to be level or square, I know that never happens, but I wasn't expecting it to be that unlevel. Like a 2" drop from the corner to the last cabinet. And the wall has a 1" depression about halfway through that run of cabinets. The shims I had were insufficient, I was grabbing scrap wood to make more. But overall not too difficult and I'm pretty happy with the result.
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# ? Apr 25, 2024 23:01 |
HappyHippo posted:Update on this, I added face frames and installed them: Yeah nice work, those came out good
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# ? Apr 25, 2024 23:49 |
what's the smallest usable surface planer? i live in a smallish apartment w a big balcony so something portable and storable. this may not exist at all, I have been using all hand planes for a few years now but I'm curious if anyone knows of some secret item I have not seen
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# ? Apr 25, 2024 23:52 |
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the size at which you find yourself picking it up, flipping it over, and using it as a powered hand planer
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 00:00 |
so a powered hand planer?? why do you post like this
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 00:05 |
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he's a wizard of goatse
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 00:05 |
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I assume you're aware of portable jointers and planers so the question is totally pointless until you figure out what you actually want, but sure I won't make the mistake of bothering respond to you again, pal
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 00:38 |
yeah I know they exist I was asking for recommendations for particularly small ones people in this thread like. did you read the part about "things I missed?" why are you so aggro it's woodworking chill out
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 00:42 |
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Isn’t the cliche that woodworkers are quiet congenial types lol. Hobby subforum seems like a place where pissy posts are unnecessary
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 01:03 |
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Y’all be nice to each other please. Post about your favorite posts, not poster.
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 01:14 |
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I’m rather fond of a stop chamfered post with a nice lambs tongue
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 01:19 |
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That Works posted:Yeah nice work, those came out good Thanks, face frames are just poplar because this is a garage project. Poplar is weird, sometimes it looks great but as soon as I see the green I hate the look. I was able to get mostly nice looking boards but I did end up with some green stuff in there. Put the ugliest pieces in the corner cabinet.
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 14:10 |
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yeah my question about shooting with a wooden plane wasn't "should I go buy a wooden plane to" it was more "I was looking at this wooden plane that I already have and..." to get in front of problems I might have if I try to set that plane up specifically as my dedicated shooter, because it does seem to have some advantages over the metal body ones.
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 14:23 |
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HappyHippo posted:Update on this, I added face frames and installed them: Looks nice, do you know what you are doing for hinges for the bottom doors (assuming you put doors on)? I want to build something similar later this year, but there are so many types of hinges I don't even know where to start.
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 16:07 |
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It's really hard to beat euro hinges for ease of installation, adjustability, etc. especially on shop cabinets or kitchen cabinets.
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 16:09 |
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Yep, euro hinges are the plan. This video is a decent primer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prv2fDdCqGg
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 16:23 |
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Dumb question but can you use euro hinges with face framed cabinets?
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 16:32 |
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NomNomNom posted:Dumb question but can you use euro hinges with face framed cabinets? There is fr a euro hinge for basically every application you can conceive of.
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 16:48 |
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NomNomNom posted:Dumb question but can you use euro hinges with face framed cabinets? Yep. These hinges come in so many varieties
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 17:03 |
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Not immediately relevant to my project, but good to know thanks. I'm working on a tool cabinet to house all my hand tools! So many dovetails...
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 17:07 |
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Well you're getting good practise in It looks real nice
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 17:10 |
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:Yes, there's two ways to do it. To use a standard hinge/mounting plate, put a block on the inside wall of the cabinet behind the faceframe flush with the edge of the face frame so the hinge is basically in the same position relative to the door as it would be for a frameless cabinet. They make some mounting plates that go on the back/side of the face frame that a standard hinge will clip into, or they make specific hinges that mount to either the side or back of the faceframe. This is the info I was looking for, this makes sense.
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 17:16 |
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NomNomNom posted:Not immediately relevant to my project, but good to know thanks. Tool cabinet is looking nice too!
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 19:30 |
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If you want to know the variety of euro hinges look up the Blum concealed hinge brochure. It's 100 pages. drat near all of them are hinges and opening/closing systems, the rest are jigs and tools. Sugatsune also has a shitload of hinge variety.
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 19:51 |
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deimos posted:If you want to know the variety of euro hinges look up the Blum concealed hinge brochure. It's 100 pages. drat near all of them are hinges and opening/closing systems, the rest are jigs and tools. Sugatsune also has a shitload of hinge variety.
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 20:09 |
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:Is that one of those adjustable height Husky workbenches? And if so, how easily does the height adjust, especially if it has some weight on it? It's pretty easy, the handle gives you about six inches of leverage, and it uses an 8mm hex shaft so it'd be easy to motorize. My biggest con is the the drawers are shallow as heck, less than 2". I'm going to replace it soon with a larger assembly table.
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# ? Apr 27, 2024 14:39 |
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O hey, a good video reviewing a WoodRiver that points out it's nits vs something more expensive, touches on the beginner dichotomy of needing to get a cheaper one to not spend that much money vs. having the knowledge and knowing what to expect when planing. Also touched on the blade being an unknown quantity, so may need to be replaced sooner than later. https://youtu.be/4Tn4LVeZouA
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# ? Apr 27, 2024 14:57 |
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The only place that sells Wood River planes in Canada is Rob Cosman's store. They actually cost more than Veritas.
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# ? Apr 27, 2024 20:23 |
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HappyHippo posted:The only place that sells Wood River planes in Canada is Rob Cosman's store. They actually cost more than Veritas. I think the video works as a generic "cheap plane" review. That is to say, fine to buy if you have the knowledge and time to fix it available (yourself or someone with experience). The only expensive planes I would never use are the harvey tools one (bridge city), they are just... Anti-ergonomic.
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# ? Apr 27, 2024 22:05 |
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I'm not in the market for either I just think it's ridiculous to charge that much.
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# ? Apr 28, 2024 00:14 |
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Found a 3.5" log of ash on the ground (they're everywhere after a big ice storm this winter) amd decided it was finally time to have a proper mallet, rather than dent stuff up with a metal hammer all the time the handle is part of an old broken hoe handle so the total cost of this mallet was a few cents of wood glue (and ofc the amortized cost of a drill, spade bit, chisel, and handsaw) e: I'm aware that the pith will probably split eventually but i don't care, it looks cool and for now it hits stuff
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# ? Apr 28, 2024 03:01 |
cool 😎 blind wedged tenon?
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# ? Apr 28, 2024 05:14 |
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# ? May 5, 2024 18:15 |
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PokeJoe posted:cool 😎 Yup it was hella tight and took a lot of pounding to get in, the glue was probably not even necessary but why not
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