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Dec 12, 2004

ephraim posted:

For some reason I have 0 interest in seeing Bogota. I haven't really heard many positive things about it. My top 3 in Colombia are Medellin, Cartagena & Cali, and thats based on what both locals and other tourists were telling me on my recent trip to Medellin. Armenia & Pereira too, but those are both short-stay destinations imo.

I know what you mean when you just have no desire to visit certain places and a lot of desire to visit others. For me, its basically based on the mood it puts me in when I think about a certain place.

Medellin is the type of place you would want to pause your trip for and just live there. There is not much there at all for tourists though. Cali is an ugly, unkept city with little going for it other than its Salsa music. And Cartagena is a stunning, romantic city full of obnoxious tourists and the type of locals who like to take advantage of them. 3 days max and you will be dying to leave.

Bogotá is simply amazing. Would you like me to convince you why you should go there?

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R2ICustomerSupport
Dec 12, 2004

Soul Power posted:

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It must be a small internet. Did you just post in the Couchsurfing Barranquilla group? If so, I actually posted the thread you responded in :)

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Dec 12, 2004

Savahontas posted:

I very recently decided to try to backpack South America with some friends. My family has raised concerns about 4 women traveling alone in South America. I'm pretty sure they've been watching too much cable news, but I don't know how to convince them that there are perfectly safe countries in South America.

Am I wrong? Do you all have any suggestions for convincing tactics?

Show them that you guys are prepared. Write up a detailed itinerary (where you will stay, what you will do each day, etc.). Make sure you tell them about how you will purchase travel insurance, how you will register their trip with the embassy, etc. Write up a FAQ that explains how you guys would act in certain situations (i.e. you get your passport stolen). Write up a budget showing all your estimated expenses. Accompany those things with an emotional but logical letter explaining how important this is to you.

If you do this all correctly and they still reject your plans, then just don't listen to them (assuming you do not still rely on them financially). Heck, I am a 20 year old male currently backpacking alone in Colombia...and this is my 3rd solo backpacking trip. If I can do it, anyone can.

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Dec 12, 2004

Emmy Noether posted:

I live in the US but am from a country for which all South American countries require a visa. I am planning an SA trip in late 2009, and plan to cover four countries (Ecuador,Peru,Colombia,Brazil). Is there an easier way of getting all the visas, other than applying to each of them separately? I think it'll take an inordinate amount of time that way.

JohnnyGuadalupe, DustingDuvet: Thanks a lot for all the info! I'm really excited about this trip after reading this thread.

That is great you have decided to vacation in South America! You will need to apply for a separate Visa for each country. There are many Visa Service company's that will let you mail them all of the documents needed so that they can file them at the embassy in person. But you will still need to file for 4 separate Visas. Sorry.

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Dec 12, 2004

Bobo the Red posted:

What's the appeal of favela tours? It's a slum. A slum created by a myriad of social issues, and ruled by fear and greed by very violent men.

Because you are a tourist and are traveling to see/experience things that are different. It's interesting to see how a huge population of Carioca's live and its much different than the slums you would see most other places in the world.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa...tBody;col1

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Dec 12, 2004

Constantine posted:

I'm planning on moving to a country in South America and live there for a year or two while studying Spanish (not full time) but still.

How much would it cost me to live in one of the major cities? Bogota, Buenois Aires etc.

1. A one (or two) room apartment + internet and shower. (In a relatively safe area)
2. Food every day (obviously cooking your own food would be much cheaper, but I wouldn't mind eating all of my meals outside aslong as it doesn't cost too much.)
3. Spanish lessons a couple of times each weak (at a language school, university or private teacher? You tell me!)

I don't need any super accurate answers. I just need some "feel" for how much things will cost.

I would be happy if I could "surive" on less than 1000$ per month.

/Thanks in advance for your help!

You can definitely do that for under $1000 in any country in South America besides maybe Brazil or Chile.

Here are some rough costs for Bogota:

1.$300-$450
2. $1.50-$6
3.$5-$10/hour or probably more if you decide to study at a university

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Dec 12, 2004

kalicki posted:

Planning a trip for a couple months this summer, just sketching out the raw stuff right now.

I'm planning on flying into Bogota because it's dirt cheap and direct from here, but anyone have a suggestion for where to fly out of from more southern South America for cheapish? To Orlando, if that matters.

I've been trying to find something like Kayak's Buzz, but in reverse, to no avail.

If you have a few months and only traveling by bus, than the furthest you will probably get is Peru, depending on how fast you like to move from place to place. But that is perfect because Lima, Peru is one of the cheapest places to fly to/from. There is also Caracas which is very cheap to fly to/from is you are interested in Venezuela.

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Dec 12, 2004

Molotov Yogurt posted:

Has anyone done any diving in Colombia/Ecuador, or gotten open water certified there? I'm looking for a good, cheap place to do it.

Taganga (15 minutes away from Santa Marta) is the cheapest place to get the PADI in Colombia.

A good company to do it with is http://www.poseidondivecenter.com

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Dec 12, 2004

MC Scrillz posted:

Has anyone who has been to Argentina recently been able to take more than $300 pesos out of an ATM?

I am currently in Buenos Aires using a Visa debit card on the plus/star networks and am able to take out a maximum of 600 pesos.

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Dec 12, 2004

Revelatos715 posted:

I'm currently researching flights to visit my mother in Peru around May. Any suggestions regarding flying out from Minneapolis? They don't have a major hub so it will more than likely reroute to Miami or whatever major city normally departs to South America.

I have some friends in Bogota, Colombia that I haven't seen in ages and I figure I can visit on the same trip.

The only thing holding me back is the excessive cost to fly out of/depart from the drat Midwest. I could really use some assistance with this, thanks.

So basically you want: Minneapolis-Bogotá-Lima-Minneapolis? Give me the dates you plan to be in each place so I can help you out.

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Dec 12, 2004

Molotov Yogurt posted:

One more question for those who have been there, were there any vaccinations or drugs you needed while down there? I keep reading that some places may require proof of a yellow fever vaccine, but it's easiest to get once there.

It depends on what type of environment you are going to and the regulations of the countries you will visit. For instance, as an American going to Brazil you must have the yellow fever vaccine in order to even apply for a visa. But I would reccomend you visit a website like this that lays it out pretty nicely for you.

http://www.traveldoctor.co.uk/samerica.htm#1sta

I would also recommend that you purchase drugs like Malaria pills in the country you are visiting as it will be far, far cheaper than back at home. Same goes for that prescription antidiareah stuff i think called Ciprol that some travelers bring with them.

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Dec 12, 2004

Molotov Yogurt posted:

Other than that Colombia owns. Im in Cartagena and heading up to Playa Blanca and Taganga in a few days. Anyone else in the area?

If you end up staying the night in a hammock on Playa Blanca be warned that the bugs there are outrageous. But the herd of cows that roam the beach late at night is pretty neat! I was also woken up by a soldier who wanted to pitch his hammock next to mine...a bit creepy.

And for an even better beach you need to go to Parque Tayrona which can be done from Taganga.

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Dec 12, 2004

Kovner posted:

OK, so I've been planning for a while to go somewhere in Latin America for a month or two to learn Spanish (I can hold basic conversations, and slightly more complicated ones if I can ask "que significa" and "como se dice", so I feel like 2-4 weeks of and immersion program and another 2-6 weeks of just getting around on my own will get me there).

I've been trying to decide where to go, but over the past week Lima has moved into my top spot and I've been looking at schools there and places to live. Lima seems like a cool city, and that is mostly what I want about where I'm going to go: being able to live relatively comfortable, having cool stuff to do around where I live, nice people, and Internet access (I can make money if I have internet access).

This thread, however, has convinced me to consider Colombia: Medellin or Bogota. Most of you guys talking about Colombia say its awesome to backpack through, but how about just living there for a while (The difference being for backpacking its mostly about how many cool things you can do, while just living there and studying is mostly about how comfortable it would be in and around the area I'd live in, and going on excursions would only be a couple times a week)?
-How's living in these cities in general? How good is internet access (I basically NEED relatively fast, reliable internet)?
-How would you compare these 3 cities: Lima, Medellin, Bogota? What are some advantages of each of the cities?
-People say Medellin is relatively safe now, but how safe is that? Is Bogota far and away safer? (I'm not supported by my parents anymore, but I wouldn't want them worrying about me)

Thanks

First off, you can make any city as comfortable as you like. For instance, hot showers are a standard in any decent accommodation wireless internet in homes is available easily. Internet access is just as good as the US in any latin american city, and ton's of cafe's have free wireless. To answer your question, I would choose Bogotá (I have spent time in each of those cities).

I only spent a few days in Lima but I thought it was a nice city with lots to do and good nightlife. Though a lot of people will say its a shithole (and lots of the city is kind of lovely), but there are still some very nice areas.

I would say if you are looking for a very comfortable city to live in, it would be Buenos Aires. However, the type of Spanish they speak there is much different than the rest of Latin America.

Quito, Ecuador has a ton of Spanish schools and is a great place to learn Spanish. Its also such a small country that day/weekend excursions are endless with mist being no more than 7 hours by bus. Most foreigners stay in an area of the city catered towards foreigners so its pretty easy living. Its also very cheap there.

La Paz, Bolivia will not be comfortable because of the altitude and infrastructure.

Colombia is my favorite place in Latin America by far. Medellin is definitelly the safest major city in Colombia (safer than Bogotá). You have to remember than Pablo Escobar died more than a decade ago and things have changed a ton. Its a modern city with its own metro line, beautiful women, and some good nightlife. The city is not so interesting itself but there are some pretty interesting places to visit that are not so far away. The weather is also great with a constant spring feeling.

Then you have Bogota which is my favorite city. There is so much character, tons to do, amazing nightlife any day of the week, and great living conditions. However, the weather is often pretty lovely.

Venezuela is crap so don't even consider it.

Let me know if you want me to expand on anything.

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Dec 12, 2004

Thurlow posted:

Does anyone have a link to the last big South America thread that was kicking around ask/tell a while ago?

This is it.

edit: Or maybe you were thinking about this one: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2979630

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Dec 12, 2004

Kovner posted:

Thanks Dusting. Here are some follow up questions:

-What about Cartagena? Seems like a nice town with a lot of history, plus a beach. One of the language school has a program to learn Spanish and windsurfing (or kitesurfing during their summer) which intrigues me a bit.

-What exactly do you find interesting about Bogotá?

-You said that Medellin is close to a lot of other things to do. Like what?

-How can I convince my mom that Colombia is safe? My parents don't support me anymore, so they'd never tell me that I 'can't' do something, but she's said in the past that Colombia is too dangerous and I'd feel guilty if I was the cause of her losing sleep.

-Edit: one more question: What's the visa situation like in Colombia. Can I easily get a 3month visitor's visa? Is that sufficient if I'm going to be studying Spanish (ie - do I not need a student visa)?

Cartagena is the most beautiful colonial city I have seen. The problem is that Cartagena has become to Colombia what Cancun is to Mexico. Its definitelly not nearly that touristy, but its still probably the only place that you will get hounded by people trying to sell you stuff on the streets, taxi drivers trying to screw you, etc. The beach in Cartagena is dirty and not a place you would want to hang out. Its also overbearingly hot and humid.

Bogota is basically a cosmopolitan city, lots of students, great nightlife, tons of good museums, and nice people. Its got rich areas, poor areas, and my favorite neighboordhood called La Candelaria which is really bohemian with tons of cafes, rundown colonial buildings covered in graffiti, and more.

Medellin is about 5 hours from the coffee region with cities like Manizales and Armenia, an hour from a tropical town with beautiful colonial architecture called Santa Fe De Antioquia, El Penol, and Jardin. Its a very comfortable city to live in with its own metro and probably the safest big city.

Thats up to you to convince your Mom. I went when I was 19 by myself and my Mom was freaking out. I have returned 2 more times and my Mom was begging me to let her come visit me in Colombia. My Dad came and visited me in Cartagena for a week and loved it.

The immigration will grant you a 60 day tourist visa when you arrive. I once got a 90 day visa so try asking for one. You are able to stay as a tourist for up to 180 days a year if you renew your visa after the 60 day visa in 30 day intervals. I am sure you will have no problem enrolling in a school without a student visa.

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Dec 12, 2004

Mango Polo posted:

Edit: I'll most likely spend two days in Lima, so to make the best of it I'd like to know if there are any particular restaurants or foods I should try? Actually, I'd like to extend that question to food in general.

The seafood in Peru, especially Lima, was excellent. Try the ceviche (raw seafood marinated in lime juice and other spices.

A few drinks to try are Chicha (alcohol made from fermented corn), Pisco Sour, and Inca Cola (local soda).

chifa- Chinese restaurants which are a bit different than ones in the US

Sancochado- beef/veggie stew

Cuy- fried guinea pig

The best thing to do would be to browse this link and see what looks appetizing to you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peruvian_cuisine

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Dec 12, 2004

Molotov Yogurt posted:

I still love Colombia, but I don´t know how much longer I´m going to stay now :/

That's a crazy story and its great you are safe! But don't say that. You went to the most dangerous part of Colombia, the jungle, where groups like the FARC and paramilitaries operate. You know its nothing like that in just about every other place a normal tourist would bother going. You'll be fine.

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Dec 12, 2004

Kovner posted:

I don't suppose any of you colombia-goers have ever taken an immersion Spanish program there.
The only one that seems decent in Medellin in nuevalengua (nuevalengua.com), and it doesn't seem as good as a school I found in Lima. Makes sense that the language school wouldn't be great in Colombia considering not many English speakers visited there in years past.
Medellin appeals to me more than Lima, but the primary reason I'm planning on going is to learn Spanish, so I want to go to a good enough school.

Lima will definitelly have a lot more Spanish schools than anywhere in Colombia. However, I am sure you can still get just as good an education in Colombia. I would recommend enrolling in one of the local universities for a Spanish course. One of my friend's did that and over a two year span his Spanish has become near fluent. The link you posted is basically a third party program that will be sending you to study at one of the local universities anyways. For instance, Nueva Lengua is directly affiliated with Sabana.

http://www.unisabana.edu.co/unidades_academicas/foreing_languages/espanol/learn_spanish.html

My friend studies at Javierna in Bogotá. I think your best option is booking a flight and asking around for a good Spanish program once you get to where you want to learn.

I liked Lima a lot but if you are more attracted to Colombia, then go there of course.

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Dec 12, 2004

Kovner posted:

I'm a bit afraid of handling official business in Spanish, so I'd prefer to have a Spanish school lined up and an apartment booked ahead of time. That also allows me to make sure I can get an apartment near the school.

Speaking of which, any advice for finding a short term, furnished apartment in Medellin? nuevalengua said they can set me up with an apartment for 350USD/wk. I don't mind paying that, but is that too high? If I look for an apt by myself, how important do you think it is to find one within walking distance to the school? Or should I just try to find one within walking distance of the metro?

But you are dealing with schools that are in the business of teaching English, so there is no reason to "handle official business in Spanish", because each school has representatives that speak English. You can visit school's you are interested in and see if its organized and fits your style of learning, not to mention you will have a lot more freedom to negotiate prices.

An apartment for $350 week is incredibly expensive. Thats freaking $4,500,000 pesos a month at that rate. And for that rate you could rent your own mansion or something. You are much better off renting a private room in a hostel or just staying in a hotel. It is really tough finding an apartment for cheap if you are not staying long and being a foreigner. Its probably not even worth trying.

You don't need to find an apartment close to school. I would prefer one close to the school, but the public transportation in Medellin is really good. You have the metro which is fast and clean. Taxis are cheap. And buses are pretty efficient.

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Dec 12, 2004

Eucibius posted:

How can I avoid this problem? Were any of my precautions unnecessary, were my fears unwarranted? What can I do to make better use of my evenings on future trips, while still staying safe?

You can avoid that problem by traveling to the country with only your first few nights booked at a hotel/hostel. Do that for a week while you visit various parts of the city that interest you. Then start looking for an apartment/homestay in the location that works best for you. For instance, I am currently studying in Buenos Aires and I did just that. During the first week I stayed in two different hostels and visited maybe 5-6 neighborhoods that I was interested in. I decided that I wanted to live close to my university and also the subway. So now I live in a hostel meant for long term stays with students only. I walk to my classes everyday, and 4 blocks away from the subway, and have people to hang out with all of the time from my hostel. Even if I did not want to live in a hostel, I very easily could have arranged a homestay through a third party program or from a list of families from the South American Explorers club lits, for instance. I still could have met with the family beforehand to see if it would work ok for me.

What you should have done was move out of your homestay and rented an apartment/homestay for $150-$250 a month in Gringolandia where all of the nightlife is (i realize how far it is from Cumbayá where the Universidad San Francisco de Quito is, but at least you would have had a better social life.

No, I do not think the precautions you took were that unnecesary, especially if you are a girl. Its never smart to walk down dark empty streets, alone at night. Its just up to you whether you would want to take a risk of being robbed or possibly raped. Like I said before, you easily could have moved to Gringolandia where the streets in the center are well lit all the time, even if its a bit dangerous. Other than that, you probably did the right thing taking taxis everywhere.

Not all big cities are like that though. Cities like Quito, Caracas, etc. are known for being dangerous. There are other cities like Medellin, Buenos Aires, etc. where in many parts you can walk alone at night or take public transportation with little fear.

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Dec 12, 2004

I have been following the backpacking in Southeast Asia for a few years now and really enjoy reading it because of the stories people post about their trips. Lets start something like that here in this thread to make it more interesting. I don't think I am a great writer but I hope my travel tales are somewhat interesting for you guys to read.

I will start with the first story of my latest South American trip, which began in January.

Check Him Good posted:

Beep…beep…beep…what the…? I was surprised the alarm clock didn’t wake up the entire house. I left the house at 3:30 am on new year’s day for the Miami airport not nearly as excited as I should have been, considering I am away for 8 months. I was tired.

“Check him good”, said the airport security guy in Spanish. I walked through the metal detector with ease. Not satisfied, security ordered me to step aside. I walked into that box which sprays air on you. They even swabbed my shoes and ran it through this high tech computer system to check for whatever it is they were looking for.

I overheard some guy in front of me answer immigration that he is staying at Platypus when asked.

“Hey, how about we share a cab since my hostel is right next door to yours”, I said.

What a mistake! But at least the mistake makes for an interesting story.

This is Alex. As you can see from the picture, he is an ordinary looking middle aged man. I should have known something was wrong since he was wearing shorts and a Hawaiian shirt when we first met in the airport.



The taxi dropped us off at my hostel since Alex did not even have the address for his hostel. I quickly put my bags inside of the hostel lobby and then walked Alex to his hostel. We agreed to eat lunch together, being that we are essentially the only people we know in this city.
Alex appears normal. He tells me a bit about himself. He recently moved back to Canada after living in South Korea for 10 years. He used to own a company that earned money by placing people in English teaching jobs in South Korea. He would also run a camp two weeks each year that took South Koreans to English speaking countries to learn English. He also recently divorced his Russian wife.

“Why are you in Colombia?” I ask.

“I like to take short vacations and see the sites”, said Alex.

As you can tell, he appears quite normal and we had a pleasant conversation about Colombia and its politics over lunch. A long 5 hours later Alex pops into my hostel unannounced. We chat for a bit and he offers to take me out for a night in town on his dime. Who am I to refuse?
Alex suggests we go to the Zona Rosa for some drinks. In Colombia, the Zona Rosa is an upscale area packed with nice restaurants, hotels, bars, and discoteches. We sit down for a few beers and that’s when he reveals his other side.

The purpose for Alex’s trip is actually to spend time with as many Colombian “working girls” as he can. That’s what Alex does. He visits developing countries for a few weeks at a time to spend time with as many whores as he can. So he’s a sex tourist. It all makes sense now. He suggested we visit the Zona Rosa (translates to pink zone), because in any other country it would refer to that really seedy area where whores roam the streets. And the Russian wife…yeah, definitely a mail order bride.

After finishing our beers, we stroll through the neighborhood a bit. He even hits on a few girls who can’t be older than 15. He also started telling me about some guys he knows and what they do for a living. To give you an example of the type of people he associates with, he told me about on British man he knew in South Korea who owns a porn website…of which he stars in the films himself banging dirty prostitutes. Um, Yeah.

As we stand on the street corner trying to hail a taxi, Alex says, “Jason; I need to be honest with you. I actually just spent 2 years in prison in South Korea. I was in solitary confinement for those two years.” He proceeds to explain what it’s like and it sure was fascinating. Ever seen the show Locked Up Abroad? He deserves to be on that pronto!

Why was Alex sent to prison? According to Alex, he refused to pay some government officials a $20,000 bribe that was expected for something having to do with his business. By the way, it looks like this travel company was really just a company for sex tourists. He would probably lead a few hundred South Koreans to some country in Europe and organize everything for a bunch of people hoping to pay money for sex. Anyways, a few months after refusing to pay the bribe, Alex was arrested.

A young British man was arrested for possession of Marijuana in South Korea and ratted out Alex too. Alex was arrested and spent the next two years alone in prison. He nearly went insane spending every hour alone, until he started reading. Alex read over 1000 books during those 2 years.

We got into a can eventually and Alex convinced me to take him to a strip club where he would pay for everything. During my last trip 6 months ago we ended up in this famous strip club called La Piscina, only for a minute. This place is tacky, with a giant pool in the middle of the indoor club. Its been used as the set for some big Colombian films and its pretty well known by everyone.

We stepped out of the taxi and walked toward the entrance.


Another taxi then sped up and tried to run over some guy on the sidewalk, reversing and driving forward a few times before the driver gave up.

I need to mention that the area we are in is not meant for loitering if you are not a criminal or prostitute.

Like everything else that night, La Piscina was closed. In a way I think it was for the best. We stood outside on the corner for the next 15 minutes chatting while I felt extremely vulnerable and uncomfortable as I waited for something bad to happen. But besides a few guys trying to deal us drugs, we made it home safely.

Why did I not immediately make up an excuse a get away from him? Beneath all of it, he treated me kindly the entire time and I never once felt threatened around him. There are some interesting events that happened that night but I am going to leave it out for now. The following day he popped into my hostel again, unannounced. We spent some more time chatting and I told him I was leaving Bogotá the next morning. I switched hostels just in case and have not seen him since.

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Dec 12, 2004

Here is the next installment of my trip in Colombia,

More from Colombia posted:


In Bogotá, I hung out with my friend Adam, from England. I met Adam about 2 years ago during my first big trip alone in Ecuador. We met up later in Colombia on that same trip and have kept in touch ever since. Adam has been back in Colombia for more than 5 months now. The reason he is here is thanks to me. I introduced him to his current girlfriend one night and they have been together ever since.

While waiting at the bus stop for Adam, i started chatting with an old man sitting on the bench doing nothing. I think this is a worldwide phenomenon; old men sitting on benches.

After lunch with Adam, we walked back to the hostel for a few beers. Thats when I saw another Israeli traveler I met on my first trip 2 years ago, a Colombian traveler I met 2 years ago, and a former hostel worker randomly in the streets. Why am I telling you this?

I want to show you that Colombia is that one country that gives so much reason to return. Many of the travelers I meet are here in Colombia for a second time. Its just the way it is.

My days in Bogota consisted of walking, drinking coffee, and people watching. I often walked for hours each day exploring familiar and unfamiliar parts of Bogotá. I average nearly 5 cups of coffee a day. Whether drinking coffee provided by the hostel or from Juan Valdez. Oma, or a random cafe; the coffee is delicious and very strong. I like to sit in plazas when I tire from walking, watching the many people of Bogotá.







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Military museum



Another beauty of Bogota



Walkin' the streets



One day in Bogota, a new Australian friend of mine names Heather and I went on an adventure with a goal of having someone shoot us in our chests with a gun! No really, I am serious. See, there's this famous clothing company called Miguel Cabellero. This company manufactures and sells bulletproof clothing to politicians, celebrities, and those quiet but important people. The bulletproof clothing is unique because it is handcrafted into stylish suits, polo shirts, dress pants, etc. Sort of like urban camouflage. Miguel Cabellero has retail stores worldwide, even in Harrods department store in London.

Heather and I rode the Transmilenio down to Chapinero. The Transmilenio is like a poor man's subway. Its actually a very complicated system of buses with its own lanes that go throughout the city, stopping at terminals that you would enter just like a subway in NYC.



at the Miguel Cabellero factory, we attempted to smooth talk the secretary into letting us tour the factory. "Yes, we really did fly all the way to Colombia just to see this factory. Its a fascinating story and we would love to see the inner workings of the company." We got close, but unfortunately there was nobody available to show us around. We didn't even get a chance to ask if they could shoot us wearing a bulletproof article of clothing.

I have gone bungee jumping, skydiving, paragliding, been jumped, and many other adventure activities. What else is left, other than getting shot in the stomach? At least we got to see them unloading the fabric into the factory I guess.

We waited on the street in some random part of the city and within minutes found a collectivo van going to the area of out hostel. Public transportation is excellent in Colombia. Wherever you are, there is either a taxi, van, bus, subway like system and its all so cheap. Although bus stops exist, flagging down a bus is more common and saying "por aqui" will get any bus to let you off anywhere.

Back in our neighborhood, we searched for a particular seafood restaurant. You see, I ate at this restaurant on my first trip to Colombia and could never find it again. Until a few days ago I randomly found it just by wandering the streets. This restaurant has character. The wooden floorboards creek, its always, packed, pictures of MLK, Malcolm X, Che Guevara, and other line the walls. The owner is a friendly guy who enjoys practicing his limited English. Best of all, their coconut rice is incredibly tasty with a sweet but spicy flavor. For just $3.50, I got a big bowl of soup, a whole fish, salad, coconut rice, fried banana, and freshly squeezed juice.



Unfortunately, Heather and I could not find it again after wandering for nearly an hour and had to settle on eating fried chicken with gloves.



The hostel is a great place to meet people. Unlike in other countries, I can easily say that 75% of the travelers here in Colombia came alone. This makes for a great environment where everyone is looking to socialize and make new friends.

One interesting guy I met is a Navy veteran. He's no more than 24 years old and was medically discharged after serving just 6 months. He started telling me that he has no intention of ever paying back his student loans.

"You know, they are going to garnish your wages if you don't pay them back", I said.

"That won't really matter because I never plan on working again in my life"

Turns out he is receiving a pension from the Navy for the rest of his life. After working for just 6 months, he is retired at 24. That must be some kind of record.

Thats not all though. Before the pension kicked in, he went traveling and ran out of money. In order to continue traveling, he joined the French Foreign Legion. He trained again for 6 months and was eventually discharged for medical reasons. Nuts!

Random llamas in Bogota



But like I said, there are always people to meet and hang out with. One night, I went out with Roger, an electrician from London. One interesting thing he mentioned about Americans that he meets in hostels is that Americans will tell people their life story within a minute of meeting someone, and then won't even say hello when walking past that person the next day.

It reminds me of this annoying woman from Atlanta who did just that. I could tell you everything about her life. I won't because she is not a very interesting person. She's the type of person who brags hanging out with a local or taking a "dangerous" bus route that everyone she is talking to has also done.

Like Roger said, she barely acknowledged me the next morning.

I left Bogotá very spur of the moment on Monday night after spending some more time with Adam. I really enjoyed my time there and look forward to returning in a month of so.

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dave diggler posted:

I am planning a trip to South America for approximatley 8 weeks starting in Januray 2010. Most of my time will be spent in Buenos Aires, Chilie, and Salvidor for Carnival.

I'm after some info on peoples experiences with Machu Picchu tours. I would like to do one that takes alot longer than the usual one day hike. Are there any that are like a week long?

You can see the Machu Picchu a bunch of different ways. You do not need to sign up for a tour unless you plan on hiking there.

-Go by train. The most common way is to take the train to Machu Picchu in the morning, explore the ruins for a few hours and return to Cusco in the afternoon.

-Go by bus

-Hike the Inca Trail. The offical Inca trail tours are offered for 2 or 4 days. These are controlled by the government and pretty expensive. You will need to book this months in advance.

-Alternative Hiking Route. You book a really inexpensive tour the night before in Cusco to hike an alternative trail to the Machu Picchu. I saw some really cheap ones, for like $150 for 4 days with everything included.

dave diggler posted:

Also if anyone can reccomend anywhere to stay in Salvidor around Carnival time. I will be travelling solo so a hostel would be perfect.

I stayed at http://www.barraguesthouse.com/ last July and it was a really great hostel. Its tiny with maybe 10 people able to stay there at one time but its got a friendly atmosphere, great breakfast, cool owner, and a safe location.

But I would still recommend that you stay in Pelourinho since you are going to be there during carnival. I think thats where all the action will be. I stayed at http://www.laranjeirashostel.com.br/, but it was nothing special.

While I have not done carnaval in Brazil, people would constantly tell me that the carnaval in Recife/Olinda is their favorite. It is supposed to be more informal, where everyone participates rather than just watching it like in Rio or Salvador. Don't take my word for it though, as its only what I heard.

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Atlasion posted:

I'm flying out to Venezuela on Tuesday. I've been reading through this thread, but have a couple of questions.

Some people have mentioned just withdrawing cash there. How much does it cost to do so? Would you recommend withdrawing cash from ATMs or taking a load of cash with me?

Venezuela is a dangerous country and so the safest thing to do is withdraw cash from ATM's so you are not stuck carrying tons of money on you all the time. But if you do that you have to go with the official exchange rate which is awful. There is a black market exchange rate which would allow you to get a far better rate of exchange.

I think most people bring a load of cash with them but if you get robbed...


Atlasion posted:

Whats the best way to travel between countries? I'm flying back from Peru, so need to make my way to there from Venezuela.

Bus or airplane. If you have time travel by bus and if you are in a rush travel by plane. The only risky border crossing is the one from Ecuador into Peru so be careful with that.

If you want to take planes but save money you should be taking domestic flights and crossing borders by bus. This is cheaper a lot of the time than flying from one country to another.

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boner school posted:

Would you mind elaborating on this? Thanks.

I have never done the border crossing myself but when I was in Ecuador I would constantly hear awful stories about it. Here is one quick anecdote:

http://travelvice.com/archive/2006/09/ecuadorperu-border.php

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Adnar posted:

I'm irrationally moving to Colombia next week. Starting in Medellin :)

Good move :)

I have from there who can show you around the city if you'd like. Send me a PM if you want me to put you guys in touch.

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Tomcat1944 posted:

I have a couple questions about BA. I'm thinking about doing a 3 month trip over Nov, Dec, Jan

What would be the price of a 3 bedroom apartment in a good neighborhood? Furnished?


I have been living in Buenos Aires since february.

1. No idea. But if you try and rent one with an agency before you get here you are going to be paying a lot more. If you can, you will get the best deal by finding one when you get here.

Also, it depends on what you consider a good neighborhood because there a quite a few to recommend. Do you mean a neighborhood that is safe? Or a neighborhood in a good location? etc.

Tomcat1944 posted:

What is the best way to travel around BA? Would it be worth buying a car?

No, it is not worth buying a car because the transportation is pretty good here in my opinion. There is a subway that goes all over the city, taxis are everywhere and cheap by our standards, there is a train that can be pretty useful, and tons of buses.

Tomcat1944 posted:

What is the best way to network with people if you are not involved with studying abroad?

It depends how old you are. But here are some options:

-Live in a hostel
-Live in a student residence (you do not need to be a student to do this)
-Volunteer somewhere
-http://www.saexplorers.org/clubhouses/buenosaires/
-www.CouchSurfing.com
-http://www.pubcrawlba.com/pub/index.php?lang=en

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Tomcat1944 posted:

About accomodations:
I guess this would be a place to ask for your advice. Is it better to be near the Río de la Plata? I'm looking for the best location regarding the night life and city scene.

The area you would be referring to around the Rio de la Plata is a neigboorhood called Puerto Madero. "Just like the London docklands, the antique port of Buenos Aires has been renewed and now represents the latest architectural trends of the city." This is one of the most expensive areas of the city with some of the best restaurants, bars, and clubs. I have actually only been here at night to go to one of the clubs a few times but my general impression is that its an area you would like if you are in your late 20's-40's. I think its also pretty far and not connected to the subway.

It depends what kind of nightlife you are referring to since Buenos Aires has so many options. If you like hip bars and small clubs then an area like Palermo would be a good area to live.

Recoleta, San Telmo, and downtown are other areas to look into. But I really think that Palermo is the area that would match what you are looking for most.

Tomcat1944 posted:

Not including housing what do you consider the cost of living (including going out and eating out a few times a week) per month in USD?

I don't have a budget because I am still working so I have not been keeping track of my expenses so much. But a night out at a big club like Pacha will cost about $20 cover and maybe $8/drink. Or there are some nice bars with good happy hours where you can get 2 drinks for about $3.50. But nothing needs to cost that much. For instance, I never pay cover anymore since its not to hard to get on the list of most places. So for instance a night out at Asia de Cuba in Puerto Madero would cost me $2 to pregame at my house, $8 in a taxi roundtrip split with 3 others, free entrance, and maybe I would buy 1 beer for $5 because I would smuggle in a small bottle of whisky.

I live in Belgrano, which is like an middle/upper class neighborhood and the restaurant and can go out to eat for between $5-$15.

Tomcat1944 posted:

Also did you pick up any tango dancing?

I am currently taking a 2 hour group tango lesson once a week and still suck at it. But no, it seems like Tango is more of something for tourists now with the tango shows and people dancing tango on the most tourist streets for $. No, they won't be playing a random tango song that you would have to dance to in between a pop and reggaton song at a nightclub. In my opinion its not worth learning. Try learning salsa if you actually want to learn something that people actually use in real life.

Tomcat1944 posted:

Is there a bohemian part of the city?

I think you could argue that there are actually a few bohemian areas; Palermo Soho, San Telmo, and Boedo.

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Tomcat1944 posted:

Hum for some reason I thought salsa and tango were the same thing. Foolish me.

Is salsa popular?

It looks like Palermo is the way to go, of course I will work things out as the trip gets closer. What are we talking about for rent though?

How did you manage to get on the list at clubs?

Thanks for you help DD.

Well, salsa is not popular in the way that you would be dancing to Buena Vista Social Club in a random club. But its really useful because it will make you a great dancer which is important here because at any club if you are able to find a girl to dance with you you will be twirling her around the entire night and salsa will help you be able to do that well. With that said, you better have game because the women here are the toughest to approach out of anywhere I have been.

I don't know so much about renting a place since I decided to stay in a student residence and am paying about $250 a month. It would be best if someone else could post about it in the thread.

I was able to get on lists at clubs through things like meeting promoters at the clubs, the owner of my house gets passes for some clubs, some friends I go out with get us on the lists somehow, and finding the email of promoters on the internet.

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hammer niner posted:

Through my work I have the opportunity to move to a few different places and I had narrowed it down to Argentina or Brazil. I'm leaning heavily towards Brazil right now.

I've lived in the US for most of my life, save for a few military tours or trips to Canada and Mexico, but I've never been to SA.

Would it be difficult to adjust for an American moving to Sau Paulo? I plan on spending a lot of time seeing sights or going to the beach, but I'd still like current luxuries like high speed internet or xbox live or some other type of indoor entertainment. Are these things available or easy to come by?

And last, are all the women really as smoking hot as the internet would lead me to believe? Because I'm definately not planning on bringing sand to the beach, as they say.

The developing world is not as technologically backwards as you think. High speed internet is widely available in every city I have been, including Sao Paulo and Buenos Aires. No matter where you go as long as its a city, you will have no trouble with the internet or xbox live.

Buying new electronics and anything imported is much more expensive though so you ought to bring things like you computers, xbox, cameras all there with you.

It depends where you move in Brazil since its huge and really different in parts of the country. Sao Paulo can be compared to New York city and you will have no trouble adjusting. Same goes with Buenos Aires. If I could pick 2 cities easiest for an American to adjust to it may just be those (except for the language barrier).

The beaches in Argentina are not so tropical and its also seasonal. But there are good beaches nearby like in Punta Del Este which you could easily go to each weekend if you wanted. I believe the beaches are a but further away from Sao Paulo but are definitelly nicer and more of the steriotypical South American beach you would be thinking of.

The girls in Argentina are some of the most beautiful but are hands down the most difficult to approach anywhere I have been in the world. In Brazil the girls are very easy to approach and kissing a girl in a club is really easy. But I never went out in Sao Paulo and heard its not as liberal as in other cities. Though Sao Paulo is supposed to have some of the best nightlife in the world.

I would pick Brazil over Argentina in general. But if the choice is Sao Paulo or Buenos Aires, i'd go with Buenos Aires.

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Kovner posted:

Planning a couple months in Colombia (Medellin for a month and then stay there for the 2nd month or visit somewhere else).

Even though my mom doesn't tell me what to do, she's trying her best to prove to me that its unsafe to go, even though that's only based on her perceptions from the news instead of researching actual travel to the big cities.
I've continually reassured her that all the research I've done suggests I'll be safe.

She just sent me this link though http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_941.html , a US state dept travel warning against going to Colombia. It basically says what I already know which is that you shouldn't travel to small towns in FARC controlled areas, but also says that "it can be" unsafe in the big cities. What do you guys think of this, and do you have any experience dealing with worried family members?

I had the same issue when I was 19 and wanted to travel around Ecuador alone. I argued that I was paying for the entire trip, created a very detailed itinerary (even if I was not going to follow it) with each hostel I would stay at and what U would do each day, promised to call/email each day, and provided her with research about safety including what I would do in various situations (say I lost all my credit cards, etc.). What really helped in getting her approval was calling her each week to discuss it for at least 4 months before I planned to show her how important it was to me.

In the end even if she does not approve, you need to decide whether it is worth it to you to ingnore her wishes and just go (still create the detailed plan and everything else) and hope she just gets over herself. Remember that if you give in this time, it will probably be harder to go away the next time.

As far as the travel warning for Colombia, as long as you stay clear of the areas with a Farc presence (really easy), you will be fine.

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September posted:

I will be traveling in Brazil for 10 days next month. I fly into Sao Paulo and fly out of Rio. I'm rolling with a few buddies from college and we're looking for a party. I know it's winter and all, so I'm looking for a beach or rainforest spot that also has a good nightlife to hit in between the big cities. Recommend away!

I've heard Recife is cool. Bahia. Jericoacoara (heard this might be an older people spot).


You will not have enough time to venture outside the distance between Sau Paulo and Rio unless you fly or want a really rushed vacation. So that rules out Bahia, Recife, and especially Jericoacoara.

If you are looking for a party you should know that Sau Paulo has arguably the best nightlife in the world.

I was actually disapointed with the nightlife in Rio and expected it to be a lot better. In Rio, I really reccomend the Lapa street party (go into a club later on) and also one of the Favela Funk parties (Castela Das Piedras was one of them).

One thing you should know is that in most nightclubs they give you a magnetic card or a slip of paper that tallies your drinks. You present that card/slip when you want to leave and then pay the total. If you lose this you will pay a fortune in order to leave. They will also put the cover charge on this card so be aware.

The beach in Rio was perfect for me around this time of year. I would go out at night and then lie on the beach to recover from drinking. You must check out Posto 9 on Ipanema beach if you want to see a collection of the most beautiful people in one small area.

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Nfcknblvbl posted:

A friend and I are going to Rio in December 29th for two weeks. We've seen prices of hostels for $60/night/person. Is that realistic, or are we just looking in the wrong places?

Also, where else should we go within our two weeks allowed? We're mainly into hitting clubs and meeting people rather than seeing landmarks and stuff like that.

Unless you are getting a private room that is way to much. I remember most hostels costing around 30-40 Reals in a dorm room when I went last July. If you want a party hostel than Stone of a Beach is alright. I had a blast staying at El Misti which is a smaller hostel but really great for meeting people and going out at night.

Some thinks I really enjoyed in Rio are going to a soccer match at the Maracana, touring a favela, going to a Favela Funk Party, Lapa on friday night, riding the bonde through Santa Teresa, lying on Ipanema beach on Posto 9, seeing some Capoeira, and hiking through Tijuca park.

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Wooh posted:

Questions! Help with even one would be appreciated

-what sort of clothing should I bring? I just don't want to be LOL UNFASHIONABLE GRINGO. I normally rock jeans, t shirts (fashionable, fitting ones, not goony ones), simple things like that. I imagine I can just bring a little clothing and buy some more there?

-Is my nice camera gonna get robbed hardcore? I have a pro level cam.

-I have all the common immunizations you get in the states, but anything I should look into? I don't think I'll hit up brazil (else I think I'd need yellow fever), but I wouldn't mind getting a couple just to be safe or whatevs

-should I use my american credit cards for an extended stay? I plan to get a bank account with a local bank (I've looked into the whole ridiculousness about how americans can't open accounts with the good banks...) and my mom will wire me money as I need it...I guess I don't have any other option than rock cash, unless an american credit card is fine. I don't want to pay 7 months worth of fees or something though. I assume I can also withdraw money from ATM's using a visa bank card, I'll just pay a fee?

-Can I find a decent bike for cheap, or should I bring my bike up? I hear it's a very bike friendly place

-Any recommendations on how to work on my Spanish when I get there? Obviously, staying with family who doesn't speak english means I have no crutches, but I guess I just don't know how to go about talking to people besides them (lord knows they'll get tired of "repite repite repite"). A huge reason for me taking this trip is to get my spanish to a conversational level (as well as have fun in SA :), so yeah. And I know, they speak a dialect of Spanish, but I think the chance to live for free for so many months with awesome people I'm related to trumps having to weed vos and sos out of my vocab ;)

-On that note, what are good ways to meet random people? I'm gonna have a lot of time to myself, to entertain myself...

-Is there an ideal time to book the tickets? They're sitting around 1700 now... I'd like to get that as low as possible. Earlier in the thread you mentioned exitotravel.com...looks like they have some bookings on extended stay stuff. I'll give them a call.

-Curious about medical care. I'm not going to be a student...and I won't be covered under my parents any longer. I assume I should try and get some private insurance, if possible? I've seen some sights that offer insurance broad, but given Uruguay has NHC, how does that work? I assume foreigners there aren't covered, but maybe healthcare is super affordable without insurance? This isn't a HUGE worry of mine but I feel it should be!

-Just to make sure: The visa issue! With an american passport, I know I can stay 90 days in Uruguay without having to leave. But if I leave and come back, is that renewed? This is pretty important! EVERYONE I've talked to says even hopping over to BA for a day would be enough to reset it, but I'd like to get more opinions!

I'm so excited, but I want to pin this poo poo down. Lord knows I have the time to

I have only taken a weekend trip to Uruguay (Montevideo, Punta del Este, and Colonia) so my advice is probably not the best.

-Depends what type of people you like to hang out with. The clothes you mentioned sounds fashionable enough. Only tip I would give is to buy the more expensive clothing like jeans and nice shirts in the U.S. because any name brand clothing is a lot more expensive over there.

-I noticed and was told many times that Uruguay is a very safe country. I never felt threatened. Depends how street smart you are and the type of situations you plan to use your camera in of course. But I would say you should be fine.

-You really should get the Yellow Fever vaccine. I dont have the time to research it completely but it may be the case that the U.S. wont let you back in if you do not have it. Its something you should look into.

-I have never tried to open a bank account overseas. But if you find a bank that gives you free ATM transactions you should be fine (PNC does this for instance if you have a minimum of $2500 in your checking account). Having your mom wire money is probably going to cost a fortune. Best and cheapest way besides bring thousands in cash is to just withdraw from ATMs.

-I garantee that shipping your bike up there is going to cost a ton more than just buying a used/new one in Uruguay. Dont even bother.

-Try organizing conversation groups through couchsurfing or something as a way to practice. Or trade english lessons for Spanish lessons. Or, find a girlfriend/boyfriend.

-Going out at night is a great way to meet people. In just 2 days in Montevideo I was able to make a group of friends and we all went out the next night.

-I do not think Montevideo is a popular destination from the U.S. It would definitelly be much cheaper booking a flight to Buenos Aires and then taking a plane/ferry/bus from there. Much cheaper.

-If you will be studying at a university while you are there you can can student insurance. I went with http://www.hthstudents.com/ when I studies in Argentina for 4 months. The deductible was $50 so a routine checkup and things like that will not really be covered.

-You will need to get a student visa is you want to stay there for over 6 months, i am pretty certain. 6 months is no problem though. Just take the ferry like everyone says for a nice weekend trip and a Argentina stamp.

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I just wanted to share a few recent travel photos from the other week in Bolivia!

Salar de Uyuni


Indigenous Cholita women wrestling


Riding a boat in the jungle

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Triiarii posted:

I'm moving to Buenos Aires after this summer and I'd love to hear someone explain what it's like living there.
I've read a lot of things about the city and the surrounding area but things tend to get much more interesting/personal (obviously) when someone casually writes about it.

I am a bit behind on my travel blog but my latest posts are about living in Buenos Aires (I studied there for a semester).

http://jasonsinsouthamerica.blogspot.com/

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Adnar posted:

In Medellin at the moment, loving it. Has anyone been to the Flower Festival before? Have been here for 3 weeks and need to know if it's worth staying an extra couple for the festival.

I went to the Feria de las Flores 2 or 3 years ago and it is definitely worth it. It was a ton of fun with parades, big concerts, lots of parties, special events, etc. I will be attending again this year. Maybe i'll see you there.

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billy cuts posted:

Just a note. Cholo/chola is a pretty racist term unless you're an indigenous person living in the city.

I had no idea. It's what the company who runs the event calls it. http://www.cholitaswrestling.com/

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Adnar posted:

Sweet, I think we've decided to stay. Going to get an apartment, staying in a hostel is killing me. It just seems to be full of pedophiles and other shirtless old guys at the moment.

Where are you staying? If it's the Pit Stop or Tigar Paw i could definitely imagine that. I would recommend trying either Casa Kiwi or the Black Sheep for the meantime while you are looking for an apartment. Those are more suited to young backpackers.

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Wooh posted:

Question about the return ticket that is usually required:

My plan is to go to Uruguay for 7 months, and use excursions to other countries to reset my visa. I WILL have a return ticket, but it will be for after my visa would have expired. Is this ok, or should I fab an itinerary?

Unless you get something other than the standard tourist visa you cannot stay in the country for more than 6 months per year (no matter how many times you cross the border to reset your visa).

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