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FitFortDanga posted:Heh, what? Besides ending in a church, there's no similarity at all. There's definitely some sort of riot and men with guns too, though I don't remember any donkeys. Edit: yeah, no donkeys or a boy, so it's probably not it. Peaceful Anarchy fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Jun 25, 2008 |
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Diligent Deadite posted:When did movies first start to have huge cast and crew lists at the end? I imagine it's probably due to union requirements and it probably happened around the mid-1970s, but when I watch a film made before that on DVD, it's always really jarring when it goes THE END -BOOM- TITLE MENU! Most movies before a certain point had the all credits at the beginning of the movie. Which is extremely irritating to today's audiences trying to watch something and having to sit through a couple minutes of people's names. SubG posted:I think this is the first time I've ever heard anyone complain that the Matrix films didn't have more blank exposition. Except it would just have had to been one line and the scene doesn't really make sense as it stands.
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Jun 25, 2008 23:01
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FitFortDanga posted:Most film noirs (films noir? I never know) are very bleak, but have "happy" endings due to requirements for bad guys to get what's coming to them. A few that have dark conclusions despite this are Ace in the Hole, Double Indemnity and Sweet Smell of Success. And a double-shot of Kubrick: Paths of Glory and The Killing. One of my favorites is a noir flick called Detour wherein a guy kills 2 people accidentally in the course of the film and at the end is supposed to just hit the highway, unsure of where he's going but with nowhere TO go. Then the government said he had to get caught at the end, since he'd killed people and was thus the 'bad guy'. So there's this OBVIOUSLY tacked on segment where a cop pulls over while he's walking and nabs him with this voice over: quote:I know. Someday a car will stop to pick me up that I never thumbed. Yes, fate, or some mysterious force can put the finger on you or me for no good reason at all
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Jun 25, 2008 23:49
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Satch posted:One of my favorites is a noir flick called Detour wherein a guy kills 2 people accidentally in the course of the film and at the end is supposed to just hit the highway, unsure of where he's going but with nowhere TO go. Ann Savage is such an evil little bitch in that movie. You just can't wait for her to get it.
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Jun 25, 2008 23:52
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In Wild Wild West, Will Smith is getting the poo poo beaten out of him by some big thug with metal under his skin. The guy raises a wrench or something to deliver the finishing blow, and then his mouth starts sparking and he dies. What the hell? I'm pretty sure you don't see any wire or anything touching him, what was the supposed cause of his death?
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Jun 25, 2008 23:55
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muscles like this? posted:Except it would just have had to been one line and the scene doesn't really make sense as it stands. Also: no. That scene makes so much fuckin' sense it's probably the canonical cyberpunk cliche. It's obvious. Painfully. Explaining it would be like flashing an intertitle in the middle of the title number in Singin' in the Rain (1952) reading: `This implies Gene Kelly has fallen in love'.
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Jun 26, 2008 00:24
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muscles like this? posted:Except it would just have had to been one line and the scene doesn't really make sense as it stands. I think the specifics of what he's selling in that scene is completely irrelevant. It's just to paint him as some kind of illegal fringe dweller and deliver the white rabbit lead in and allow the Agent Smith interrogation to have substance regarding Anderson's second life. Saying what he's selling is hardly necessary for the scene to make sense. Who cares if it's MP3s, secret porno tapes, bootlegs of Ebaumsworld, or credit card numbers? The scene really makes no sense to you without knowing?
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Jun 26, 2008 00:34
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Ape Agitator posted:Who cares if it's MP3s, secret porno tapes, bootlegs of Ebaumsworld, or credit card numbers? The scene really makes no sense to you without knowing?
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Jun 26, 2008 00:46
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Peaceful Anarchy posted:Are you sure it was in English? It sounds a bit like The Exterminating Angel to me. Like I said I saw the end on AMC, American Movie Classics. Tender Bender posted:In Wild Wild West, Will Smith is getting the poo poo beaten out of him by some big thug with metal under his skin. The guy raises a wrench or something to deliver the finishing blow, and then his mouth starts sparking and he dies. What the hell? I'm pretty sure you don't see any wire or anything touching him, what was the supposed cause of his death? I remember seeing this in the theaters when it came out with my high school girlfriend and we both had no clue what happened. Most likely it was either some scene that was cut out... or a loving huge plot hole on a already lovely movie.
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Jun 26, 2008 00:55
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SubG posted:I bet you think it doesn't matter what's in the box in Belle de Jour (1967), what's in case in Pulp Fiction (1994), or what's in the trunk in Repo Man (1984), either. I mean...it would have only taken them one line to explain 'em, man. gently caress you, that's not what I'm talking about retard. Ape Agitator posted:I think the specifics of what he's selling in that scene is completely irrelevant. It's just to paint him as some kind of illegal fringe dweller and deliver the white rabbit lead in and allow the Agent Smith interrogation to have substance regarding Anderson's second life. Saying what he's selling is hardly necessary for the scene to make sense. Its one of those little details that sticks out in a second viewing that just takes you out of the film. Sure in terms of moving the story forward it makes sense that he's just selling something that doesn't really matter.
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Jun 26, 2008 01:58
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Tender Bender posted:In Wild Wild West, Will Smith is getting the poo poo beaten out of him by some big thug with metal under his skin. The guy raises a wrench or something to deliver the finishing blow, and then his mouth starts sparking and he dies. What the hell? I'm pretty sure you don't see any wire or anything touching him, what was the supposed cause of his death? I wrote it off as the guy was 'built' to be sheer intimidation. But actually having him do something overloaded the enhancements he had. Loveless knew it was the endgame and was just sending in his henchmen to kill West. Nobody saw the short-out coming.
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Jun 26, 2008 02:01
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Vicissitude posted:I wrote it off as the guy was 'built' to be sheer intimidation. But actually having him do something overloaded the enhancements he had. Loveless knew it was the endgame and was just sending in his henchmen to kill West. Nobody saw the short-out coming. Its still the biggest  part in a movie already filled with stupid poo poo happening. Its like they couldn't think of how to end that scene so they just write the badguy as just dropping dead.
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Jun 26, 2008 02:06
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Diligent Deadite posted:When did movies first start to have huge cast and crew lists at the end? I imagine it's probably due to union requirements and it probably happened around the mid-1970s, but when I watch a film made before that on DVD, it's always really jarring when it goes THE END -BOOM- TITLE MENU! Interestingly enough, it is this very thing that gave us a not-directed-by-Spielberg Return of the Jedi, and also, arguably, three lackluster prequels.
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Jun 26, 2008 03:00
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Akuma posted:This was the official impetus for the special editions. Well, part of it, I suppose. I saw a documentary about it that showed what the original negative looked like, and it was completely wrecked. It's likely that Lucas would have left the films alone had ANH not had been trashed so badly. I think most of the opticals had to be re-composited since the 35mm put into the negative was CRI (color reversal internegative) - which turned out to be defective and quickly fading. Diligent Deadite posted:When did movies first start to have huge cast and crew lists at the end? I imagine it's probably due to union requirements and it probably happened around the mid-1970s, but when I watch a film made before that on DVD, it's always really jarring when it goes THE END -BOOM- TITLE MENU! Around the World in 80 Days '56 is probably the biggest film to do this so early. It doesn't even have a title (which is the very last thing to appear at the end). It's 6 minutes long. If you want to extend it to the roadshow programme, it's the largest credited cast since they included a section with the names of every single extra.
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Jun 26, 2008 03:16
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Shatter Map posted:The scene in American Beauty where Kevin Spacey slams the asparagus plate against the wall. Does anyone else like to point out/marvel at how he managed to perfectly stick a lemon slice above the picture frame? I bet he couldn't have done that again if he tried 100 more times. That reminds me - there's this scene in Casino where Joe Pesci gets pissed off and flips one of his cards at the dealer, which ends up stuck to the front of the dealer's shirt. Was that scripted or a complete accident that they decided to keep in the movie?
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Jun 26, 2008 04:53
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I recall hearing a DVD commentary (can't begin to think of which one) where some director said they stuck with a weaker take of a scene specifically because it had one of those serendipitous occurrences like the Alien 4 basketball shot. Another one that springs to mind is in The Usual Suspects where Redfoot flicks a cigarette and it hits Stephen Baldwin perfectly in the eyeball. Glorious.
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Jun 26, 2008 05:08
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I just watched Dark City with the Ebert Commentary. I know he did commentary for his movie Beneth The Valley of the Dolls, but are there any other movies he's done commentary for? Also, in Platoon, when Charlie Sheen is waiting for the VC soldiers to come into the ambush, he keeps covering and uncover his eyes. Why the gently caress is he doing that?
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Jun 26, 2008 06:53
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twistedmentat posted:I just watched Dark City with the Ebert Commentary. I know he did commentary for his movie Beneth The Valley of the Dolls, but are there any other movies he's done commentary for?
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Jun 26, 2008 06:58
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twistedmentat posted:I just watched Dark City with the Ebert Commentary. I know he did commentary for his movie Beneth The Valley of the Dolls, but are there any other movies he's done commentary for? Casablanca also has an Ebert commentary.
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Jun 26, 2008 10:25
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Jack Does Jihad posted:What was the first samurai movie that popularized or featured the stereotypical duel in which two samurai run past each other and seemingly miss each other as they strike, then they stand still and one falls over? Not quite the same, but Sanjuro is the first movie to feature the over the top blood spurting after the final battle. Who knew Kurosawa had it in him.
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Jun 26, 2008 13:32
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twistedmentat posted:Also, in Platoon, when Charlie Sheen is waiting for the VC soldiers to come into the ambush, he keeps covering and uncover his eyes. Why the gently caress is he doing that? Unless I'm missing something, he was just covering his face because he didn't want to get bothered by the bugs. He thinks he sees something (VC solider) but probably figures he's imagining it or whatever, so he covers his face again. But then he realizes that maybe he did see something, looks again, and yes, there's a VC soldier standing there who had been there the whole time.
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Ape Agitator posted:I recall hearing a DVD commentary (can't begin to think of which one) where some director said they stuck with a weaker take of a scene specifically because it had one of those serendipitous occurrences like the Alien 4 basketball shot. Forgone Conclusion posted:Casablanca also has an Ebert commentary.
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Jun 26, 2008 14:11
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twistedmentat posted:I just watched Dark City with the Ebert Commentary. I know he did commentary for his movie Beneth The Valley of the Dolls, but are there any other movies he's done commentary for? They are all listed on his website. Casablanca, Citizen Kane, Crumb, Dark City, Stories of Floating Weeds (Criterion Collection) [only did commentary for Floating Weeds 1959] and Beyond The Valley Of The Dolls
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Jun 26, 2008 14:12
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zandert33 posted:Not quite the same, but Sanjuro is the first movie to feature the over the top blood spurting after the final battle. I think it was Nakadai that had it in him...it being pressurized fake blood and a bad rig (ha-ha). As far as Anime cliches go I think Yojimbo had the first ever ridiculously huge, giant weapon wielding japanese guy in it "Kannuki the Giant" 
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Satch posted:One of my favorites is a noir flick called Detour wherein a guy kills 2 people accidentally in the course of the film and at the end is supposed to just hit the highway, unsure of where he's going but with nowhere TO go. there's also, of course, the original Scarface, which by all accounts was amazing at first cut, but they had to insert a bunch of poo poo to show that he's very regretful of his life and even other gangsters are appalled by his behavior and all that, and it now feels like two completely different movies smashed together into one
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Jun 26, 2008 20:50
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Butthole Prince posted:Unless I'm missing something, he was just covering his face because he didn't want to get bothered by the bugs. He thinks he sees something (VC solider) but probably figures he's imagining it or whatever, so he covers his face again. But then he realizes that maybe he did see something, looks again, and yes, there's a VC soldier standing there who had been there the whole time. Thats what i thought he was doing. It just seemed like surreal. I guess his delay doing that is why he got chewed out at the end of the scene. Thanks for the Ebert commentary list. I wish more movies would have commentary like that. When watching one i want insights on the movie not "oh this scene was fun to shoot" or "this scene took 3 days blah blah blah...".
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Jun 27, 2008 07:40
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twistedmentat posted:Thats what i thought he was doing. It just seemed like surreal. I guess his delay doing that is why he got chewed out at the end of the scene. It was a bit surreal, yes, but I think that's what they were going for. They were all like zombies out there, running on no sleep, so it was easy for the mind to play tricks. I think he got chewed out because Junior said that Chris fell asleep, but it was actually Junior who fell asleep on his watch. Chris also hosed up the claymores because he didn't take the safety off.
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Jun 27, 2008 13:38
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twistedmentat posted:I just watched Dark City with the Ebert Commentary. I know he did commentary for his movie Beneth The Valley of the Dolls, but are there any other movies he's done commentary for? ratethatcommentary.com lets you search by name, credit (cinematographer, editor, etc.) and is loving great. Without it, I never would have discovered all of Steven Soderberg's guest commentaries: http://ratethatcommentary.com/search.php?search=soderbergh&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go
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r-lam posted:there's also, of course, the original Scarface, which by all accounts was amazing at first cut, but they had to insert a bunch of poo poo to show that he's very regretful of his life and even other gangsters are appalled by his behavior and all that, and it now feels like two completely different movies smashed together into one Really only the last few minutes are different. Instead of Tony getting shot, he gives himself up... only to be sent to death. Thankfully, both endings exist and the DVD is the "director's cut" with the censored ending included only as an extra. The shootout scene is also slightly different, mainly to remove a little footage to make it less obvious of the incest relationship between Tony and his sister. One of the best examples of the bad guy getting away with it is... It's a Wonderful Life. Few people realize that Potter got away with stealing the money
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Og Oggilby posted:One of the best examples of the bad guy getting away with it is... It's a Wonderful Life. Few people realize that Potter got away with stealing the money http://www.hulu.com/watch/4267/saturday-night-live-its-a-wonderful-life-lost-ending
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FitFortDanga posted:http://www.hulu.com/watch/4267/saturday-night-live-its-a-wonderful-life-lost-ending I love that. "You're Not even a cripple!!" Though posting Hulu links is sort of insulting for those who do not live in the US! Tease us more with awesomeness! *cry*
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Bumping this thread back to life because I just got done watching Mission: Impossible 3 and I think I missed some minor plot details. (lol spoilers) So, we know: -Lindsey recorded a message saying that Brassel was a mole, and that she thinks she was set up. -Lindsey really was set up by Muskgrove to get this whole operation started. -Lindsey wanted to tell Ethan something off the record. -Muskgrove is the one who set Davian free, and orchestrated Ethan stealing the Rabbit's Foot, so he could obtain it. Why does Muskgrove care about what Lindsey's video was when he has Ethan tied up? Wasn't it a plant to confuse Ethan and get him to listen? I don't know, but I'm just not seeing this whole thing come together. 
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Yawgmoft posted:Interestingly enough, it is this very thing that gave us a not-directed-by-Spielberg Return of the Jedi, and also, arguably, three lackluster prequels. Could you please explain this? Kasonic posted:Bumping this thread back to life because I just got done watching Mission: Impossible 3 and I think I missed some minor plot details. To answer your question: Musgrove wanted to know if the message the girl sent was exposing him as a mole. He freed Ethan to make it seem like was on his side, but in reality he just wanted him to get the rabbit's foot. I think that Musgrove wasn't actually a bad guy, but he was just trying to get through Hoffman to whoever was buying from him, but to do it, he had to become a villian. It's been a while since I saw it, but it's still a very solid and awesome movie. The questions it leaves open are kind of what enhance it's entertainment value.
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Ericcorp posted:Could you please explain this? The unions wouldn't let Spielberg work on RotJ because Lucas refused to put the credits in the beginning of the movie.
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Yawgmoft posted:The unions wouldn't let Spielberg work on RotJ because Lucas refused to put the credits in the beginning of the movie. Well, that worked out well for him.
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Ericcorp posted:Well, that worked out well for him. More like it worked out poorly for everyone else.
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At the end of Alien 3 was Lance Henrikson a droid or not? He said he wasn't, but his ear was hanging off after 85 clubbed him and it didn't seem to faze him all that much.
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Armyman25 posted:At the end of Alien 3 was Lance Henrikson a droid or not? He said he wasn't, but his ear was hanging off after 85 clubbed him and it didn't seem to faze him all that much. Well... depends if you think AvP is cannon or not. If it is, Bishop is based off the original founder, who died well before Alien 3. If not... then I don't know.
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Tender Bender posted:In Wild Wild West, Will Smith is getting the poo poo beaten out of him by some big thug with metal under his skin. The guy raises a wrench or something to deliver the finishing blow, and then his mouth starts sparking and he dies. What the hell? I'm pretty sure you don't see any wire or anything touching him, what was the supposed cause of his death? I seem to recall that in the VHS version you can see his wrench hit some type of electrical conduit above his head, frying him. Also, when West stands up after falling out of the water tower in the VHS version you can see his balls. 
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I guess I can ask this here, but is the 3 disc edition of Brazil worth the extra 30 bucks or is the standard criterion good enough? I do enjoy extras and commentaries but are they worth the additional cost?
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