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ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

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Explain Bill Murray's character in Darjeeling Limited.

He was their dad, right? A ghost or a spirit? They were just carrying around his "baggage" with them until the end when they could let it go. What happened to the mother? She bailed on her poor kids TWICE.

Explain the end of French Connection.

Please, these are driving me crazy.

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ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

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Akuma posted:

Wait, what? Huh? Admittedly I've only seen The Darjeeling Ltd while inebriated but wasn't his character just completely unrelated and placed there only as a gag?

I figured he was in there for a reason. He was running to catch the train along with Adrian Brody at the start of the film and only Adrian made it on board. Adrian smiled and looked back as if to say 'I am leaving him behind' or something.


It seemed important. I mean, it showed him again later.

ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

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DOH DOUBLE POST

ZenMaster fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Jul 21, 2008

ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

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SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Well it's definitely for a sense of loss, and Murray played the father figure in Life Aquatic so that way of looking at it makes sense. He was symbolic dad.

The point of the ending is they can't truly come back together as a family, but it was the attempt that mattered. The big metaphor is the man-eating tiger. That's what was keeping their mother from seeing them, but they decided to fight it anyways. Then the train they climb on at the end is called the Bengal Tiger. They accepted the struggle as a natural part of the relationship.

The parade of people in the dream sequence is like a long list of the people they have to forgive or get over to get on with their lives. Then that scene ends with the tiger too.


I like this. I can enjoy the film even more now. And Life Aquatic is still his best work.

EDIT: Oh, and anyone want to tackle the French Connection ending for me?

ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

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The end of French Connection:

Ok, so the gunshot was just Hackman shooting and missing the bad guy? He gets away from a remote location swarming with cops, somehow gets on a plane back to France safely, and Gene and his partner get transferred to another dept?

Whee... so why the two hours of build up for nothing?

ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

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Ape Agitator posted:

Because it's gritty and real, mostly. The small fish get caught, Doyle gets in a friendly fire incident while the mastermind gets away.

Ok, I guess that's all I needed to know. A bit of a bummer, I thought I had missed something big.

ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

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Cabin Fever

Just saw it yesterday. What is the point of the ending? Why did a group of black kids go into the store and start looking at a scoped rifle? How did that relate to anything in any way? Why a rifle, why black kids?

Why did the "hero" boy hit the young cop with a piece of wood? Because he forgot to call a tow truck? He tried to kill him with a log to the head because he forgot to call a tow truck? Seriously, explain this movie.

I don't even care about "PANCAKES!"

ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

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DOOKIE ROPES YO posted:

Old Guy Store Owner said earlier in the movie that that gun was "For the niggers!" At the end, he gives the gun to one of the black dude's and says "What's up my friend of the family? Here's your gun, got the action working smoother (or something)."

The movie is claimed to be an intentional comedy.

Oh, well the TV edits must have cut that word and, thus, made the film make no sense.

So, why did he hit the cop in the head with a log?

ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

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Women's Rights? posted:

In City of the Living Dead, the actress who pukes up her own intestines had to swallow warm sheep intestines and then vomit them back up. It makes the scene way more disgusting if you know this ahead of time :)

I have a question about There Will Be Blood. Why does Daniel kill Eli? I get the back and forth between them, the taking revenge in public whenever they've denied one another what they've wanted, but the actual bludgeoning seems to come out of nowhere. He's already humiliated Eli, mocked him about taking the oil from the Bandy tract, went on about how wonderful his brother is doing...so why does he kill him? I like that movie but I fear I may be too dumb for it :shobon:.

Cause the movie isn't called "There will be Ridicule"?

ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

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Rake Arms posted:

I thought Daniel was still bitter about Eli embarrassing him during the baptism, because his guilt really was torturing him. H.W. walking out on him brought those feelings back and Eli arrived just in time for Daniel to take it out on him.

Look, Daniel had ALWAYS violently opposed anyone who tried to stand in his way of getting oil. Even his own adopted son. He probably would have tried to kill him if he hadn't felt some small amount of "like" for him.

The Sunday kid embarrassed him and forced him to play by ridiculous rules that Daniel abhorred. You knew it was coming once he made Daniel get on his knees in church.

"I've abandoned my child!"

ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

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Eagle Eye

Yeah I know... but... ok, so Shia and his lady friend were sitting in an airport waiting to get on a commercial flight (some guy gave them the credit cards in their names there). They bought tickets to DC and were sitting at the gate when Billy Bob spots one of them, and a chase ensues... They end up on a cargo plane wherein they need to inject themselves with the experimental heart medicine to survive the flight.

Ok, so the computer made them steal the case with the drugs, and the FBI got really lucky spotting them on the tour bus, and followed, but then the computer had them buy commercial flight tickets and wait in the airport. Only when the FBI spotted them out of a series of sheer luck, did they run through the baggage area and end up on a cargo plane.

Why? Why did they steal the drugs only to try to board a commercial flight? How would the computer know the FBI would spot a reflection on a tour bus, and be able to follow them to the airport? How did it know they would spot them and chase them to a cargo plane? If they hadn't been spotted, they would have boarded the commercial flight, so why sdteal the drugs when the computer would have no way of knowing they would be forced to jump on a cargo plane?

How did it know this ALL beforehand, days before the incidents?

ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

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Factor Mystic posted:

Probably something they instanced into the world in order to scare a candidate into freaking out enough for them to find them in the real world.

Although, they had to hurry and find him it seemed, or they would lose him (it seemed like he might die if they didn't do it quickly), so my take is:

It was his body waking up slowly to feel the cold water he was submerged in. He was just imagining the effect as liquid mirror. No one else in the room seemed to notice it.

ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

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Session 9

So, was Mary really Gordon? Was "Mary" released from the Assylum in '85 when Danvers shut down and then "she" got married and Simon lay dormant inside "her" until "she" got boiling water spilled on "her"?.

Mary killed Peter when he hurt her, and then Gordan killed his wife when she hurt him, so are they supposed to be the same person? They did sort of an overlay of Mary's face and Gordon at the end which would seem to make this true, and I am not sure how a woman could speak with the voice of Simon unless Simon is a demonic spirit and not a personality of Gordon/Mary. If he is a spirit inhabiting the walls of Danvers, that would make sense too, I just want to make sure I didn't miss the Gordon/Mary connection.

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Jan 24, 2006

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Egomaniac posted:

I don't get it.

Anyway, having lived there most of my adult life and in the States growing up, I don't think that's true at all.


No, it's nothing that complicated. "Simon" even says at the end that he lives in the minds of victims and the abused, or something like that but more poetic. In other words, we all have the potential for a little "Simon" to come out.


Hmmm... ok, I guess that could be it, although I find it hard to believe that his wife accidentally spilled hot water on him and he BRUTALLY murdered her and his own baby. Are you sure? The insane asylum wasn't related to what happened? Mary? Simon? Nothing? He had his own Simon? I thought that Simon might have been a demon that took over weak and scared people, and Gordon happened to catch him during his time in the asylum while he was cleaning it up. Or Mary was Gordon somehow... ah, well.

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Jan 24, 2006

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LtKenFrankenstein posted:

I follow Egomaniac's view on it. It's possible though, that he started working at the asylum, then killed his wife at some undetermined point after. Also, one woman did in fact do all the voices on the tape. Some really impressive voice acting in that flick.

Thinking on it more and rewatching some of it I have come to believe Simon is a demon inhabiting those who allow him in. Why? He introduces himself to Gordon immediately during his first visit to the asylum. "Hello, Gordon...", and then keeps talking to him during the film. Simon is definitely Mary's demon, same voice and he even says that everyone he takes over "let's him do" the horrible things he does. This is a creature who has done this many times and does not plan to stop. The death of mary did not stop Simon, he is outside of her control.

Mary had three personalities: Princess, Billy, and Simon. Princess did not know about Simon, but Billy knew about Simon. I don't think people with multiple personality disorder have the personalities interacting with each other or even know about them. Billy knew about Simon, and refused to wake him up. Sounds like a dormant malevolent spirit, I could be wrong.

It inhabited the asylum and found Gordon, a very weak, stressed out man with a new baby and a failing business. He introduced himself and took his place in his mind, and got him to kill everyone. Man, we need a thread for this one.


THAT WAS A WOMAN?!! Gah, Simon's voice.. I can't unhear it. :(

ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

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Dyscrasia posted:

I am really not so sure about that. Mary's tapes seemed more like a parallel story. A way to explain Gordon's condition, while keeping the mystery and suspense. None of that would be there if they came out and said Gordon was crazy right away. I do not think the supernatural is necessary to explain the story, which is what makes Session 9 so great. Its a totally creepy ghost story situation, with no ghosts involved.

I like this, too. :) Man, if it makes me think this much, it's a darn good movie.

ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

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Can someone explain box office mojo to me? Specifically, how to figure out how much a movie made/lost?

For example, let's take a look at the admittedly awful Jonah Hex.

I see this:

Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $10,414,102
Domestic Summary
Opening Weekend: $5,379,365
(#7 rank, 2,825 theaters, $1,904 average)
% of Total Gross: 51.7%
> View All 6 Weekends
Widest Release: 2,825 theaters
In Release: 40 days / 5.7 weeks

The budget (it claims) was 47 million. It does not show a foreign box office total (why?)

It does not show the price to market the film either, is this info there or somewhere?

As it stands, I assume the film lost 37 million dollars for the company, is that correct? What am I doing wrong?

The thing is, TONS of movies I look at on BOM seem to have lost a ton of money, so I assume I am reading it incorrectly.

ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

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morestuff posted:

I'm not an expert, but they'll also recoup some their budget on home video and television sales. If Box Office Mojo doesn't list foreign figures, it's probably because it either hasn't been released yet or isn't going to be.

I don't know of any site that compiles advertising costs. I don't think that information is given out that often.

Ok, so DVD sales/rentals is not included. That makes sense. So, if a film loses say, 15 million in the box office, it will easily make that up in DVD rentals/sales, correct?

Anyone know how this works, who gets a cut, and how much a movie typically makes (percentage of BO take) on DVD/Blu-Ray? I assume they sell the rights to BB, Netflix, etc to rent the DVD?

ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

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I assumed adding "porn" to a film description meant adding a modifier of "gratuitous", or "an excessive amount of".

So, "torture porn" is a film with gratuitous (a lot of) torture scenes, not actual porn.

ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

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The Ghost Writer

I assume that Ewan McGregor's character told the wife of the ex-Prime Minister at the very end he knew she was the CIA plant because they had already printed a bazillion copies of the book and the truth was written on every page and eventually everyone would find out? If not, he was an idiot. I assume he spent so much time running for his life, they just printed the dumb thing as is and he never got a real chance to edit/rewrite it?.

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Jan 24, 2006

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Schweinhund posted:

I figured the death at the end was just an accident, not a murder.

If there was no conspiracy why does the wife get seemingly upset when he hands her the note? I don't see anything baffling about the end at all.


Agreed, her reaction and subsequent attempt to chase him down was a bit odd, plus after Ewan met with the professor he was followed by two mysterious men who seemed intent to do him harm.

ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

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I keep seeing pictures (and screenshots) of a "river ghost" alien that chases Topher Grace (Edwin) in Predators. I saw that movie twice and have absolutely no recollection of anything of the sort, but there it is in screenshots.


Please tell me this was some deleted scene and I am not crazy?? The design is really cool, and I would not believe it if I actually didn't remember that scene.

ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

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Screen shots at bottom of this thread:

http://www.thehunterslair.com/topic/18713-the-alien-in-predators/



FrankeeFrankFrank posted:

I had no idea they were called 'river ghosts' or why they would be called that.

I thought there were just 2 races of Predators, the tough ones and the pussies, and everything else on that planet was just dropped off for the hunt. The 'river ghost' was the prey dropped off before the humans were dropped and maybe their was one 'river ghost' left over.

EDIT: http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/River_Ghost



Correct, it was just prey, but where the heck was it in the film? I never recall it happening, but if you look at my link, it shows Topher running from it. Weird!

ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

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In the film The Innkeepers, who was the old man, who were the three ghosts the psychic lady was able to contact(we only see Madeline, and the old man who was only recently deceased) and what was the mistake the psychic got all freaked out about? They hid a body for a few days, they didn't murder Madeline they mishandled a corpse basically. Was the old guy somehow related to the Madeline suicide story?.

Loved the film, just wondering about a few points left vague.

ZenMaster fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Jun 10, 2012

ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

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Anyone else have an opinion about the movie 'Enemy'? (Context is I have read many reviews and, while I might have perhaps missed some, I haven't seen this interpretation of events) I mean some dude said it was about the world slowly being invaded by spiders cause of all the talk about dictatorships. I am going off of spiders being a representation of his deep guilt.

So, Adam and Anthony have to be the same person, just two sides of the same coin. Having the same scar is kind of the kicker for me, and on the same side so they weren't conjoined twins. His mom confirms he was her 'only son'. Also, his mom asks him to give up acting and stay as a teacher in that one scene (ding ding!). I think the real story is that one of the two personalities (in his double life) is a married man with a deeply sexually perverse appetite. He goes to those crush fetish shows (or whatever they are) and cheats on his pregnant wife (she accuses him of seeing 'her' again, so he makes up a story about some crazy fan). The other side is a normal guy with a girlfriend and a 'real' job (no offense to actors!). How does he do both things? Well, the acting is a good excuse to get out of the house (auditions, filming) but notice the security guard says 'You haven't been here in six months!' when he stops by the agency representing him to pick up his mail. His girlfriend only comes over at night and comes and goes randomly. He is depressed and wracked with guilt over his sins and infidelities, distracted at work. The girlfriend even pushes him off of her once, angry for no apparent reason (well, she says ow!). I would say this is because he gets his personalities mixed up, and is being the more sexually aggressive Anthony personality with her, and it freaks her out a bit. The two sides of him fight in his head, and NO ONE SEES THEM BOTH TOGETHER, save them (that I can recall). I think the hotel room meet is him coming to terms with both sides of himself, he sees the woman in the skirt leaving, bringing out his Anthony side.. that must be the place of his extra marital (and extra-girlfirend) one night stands. He is Adam, but he always has a destructive side, Anthony, who is ruining his life with his behavior and lusts. The personalities start to bleed over into each other. The wife starts to prefer the 'normal' version after she meets it at school, and asks him if he had a good day at school and to 'stay', as in please be this man, the one I can rely on and love. She sees him at the college, discovers his 'other life' and he doesn't even notice her as being his wife, or pretends not to. She tells Anthony, "I saw 'Adam' at his work, and he looks exactly like you. He says he doesn't understand, but she says, "I think you understand, Anthony." She caught him, he can pretend he wasn't caught, but she knows it isn't some random doppelganger (unless this is more existential than I think) I think it's pretty straight forward. The Anthony side starts to seduce the girlfriend, and she discovers his secret, too. She sees the ring mark. He is married. Her asking "Who are you" is just her way of saying, "you are married and lying to me, I don't even know you anymore!" because she gets in the car with him. If he was a stranger she never would have done this. They fight and forced with facing who he really is and the guilt of it all, they 'crash', and Anthony-personality dies (nice spidering glass effect), leaving only Adam with his wife, who should have been together all along. He chooses his wife ultimately and tries to bury Anthony. But! He opens the key, and Anthony starts to reawaken. He says he has to 'go out', so he is back to his old way of life, or thinking about it again. A giant spider sits in his parlor, again, all spiders in the film being a representation of guilt, and he is back in its web, big time, it is now all consuming, ready to strike and completely destroy him the second he slips up again.

Anyone else get this? There were lots of clues to this being the general storyline (I think)

ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

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Well said, Beast, that is a good write up, thanks! I might need to watch it again!

ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

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Edge of Tomorrow: Why did the general want the Major to fight in the war so badly? I can only surmise he wanted a scapegoat in case things went south? Also, why after Tom had the vision of the Louvre, didn't they just freaking shoot him in the head? Why run and risk everything? Cause drama I guess?

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ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

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Thanks. Right, I get the blood thing it was just dumb to try to flee in a car when a bullet is faster. :). I think I have a few more, just need to get my thoughts straight. I did enjoy the film.

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