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Bicyclops posted:Yeah, it's this. Like, it rings true. They also bully Giles about his crush on Miss Calendar and everything else, Wesley is just completely disconnected and young enough that the cool teens bullying him makes him feel bad. Also wants to bang one
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bobkatt013 posted:Also wants to bang one Charisma Carpenter is many things, but a teenager isn't one of them.
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Jul 1, 2015 03:13
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Also Wes becomes Batman in the second half of season 4. Season Four ROCKS, gently caress you guys preemptively.
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Season 4 was the first tv show I torrented back in the day *~nostaligia~*
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Rhyno posted:I can not think of another character in the whole of serialized television that had as amazing of a character arc as Wesley Wyndham-Pryce. I agree wholeheartedly. Wesley is one of my favorite fictional characters of all time, and it's a drat shame Alexis Denisof hasn't had a bigger, better career after Angel.
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:I agree wholeheartedly. Wesley is one of my favorite fictional characters of all time, and it's a drat shame Alexis Denisof hasn't had a bigger, better career after Angel. It's loving criminal but to be fair to him, he chose to be the at home dad while Hannigan earned huge bucks on HIMYM.
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Rhyno posted:It's loving criminal but to be fair to him, he chose to be the at home dad while Hannigan earned huge bucks on HIMYM. He does show up in Avengers and Guardians
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:I agree wholeheartedly. Wesley is one of my favorite fictional characters of all time, and it's a drat shame Alexis Denisof hasn't had a bigger, better career after Angel. Well, the time off probably helped the poor guy recover from his Bell's Palsy and get a start on raising his family. Plus, he somehow sounds wrong with his native accent.
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bobkatt013 posted:He does show up in Avengers and Guardians He's been a series regular on two other shows I have not watched, Grimm and Finding Carter. I should really get around to watching Grimm, he deserves our attention.
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My dad loves Grimm, but I've never seen it. I marked out whenever he appeared as Sandy Rivers on HIMYM, but was disappointed he never shared a scene with Alyson. He had a mini-arc on Dollhouse as well. Giles is my other favorite Buffyverse character. I got into all of Joss' pre-SHIELD shows on DVD, after they ended, so I was heartbroken when I learned about all the Ripper rumors, but it never happened. Then I got to thinking about Giles' apparently misspent youth as a punk rocker, kicking rear end and studying the occult, and then I realized his backstory was based heavily on John Constantine. And now I'm sad that Constantine was also canceled, and that Anthony Stewart Head was never in it, playing some kind of seedy mentor to John (or possibly a librarian).
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I'm still miffed we never got Ripper. And we never will despite anything Whedon says otherwise.
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AS Head not showing up at the LA branch of a theoretical sixth season of Angel was the greatest tragedy. And Alexis Denisof's imbd shows anything but disappointment. A recurrable voice role in both The Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy slotted in between his recurring series roles? Even without being married to someone who will be earning money until the heat death of the universe through syndication of that awful Neal Patrick Harris show, that's a lucrative career he has going and his roles will never depend on youthful looks or buzz-y marketing-oriented casting. He's got it made and has a great career ahead of him. If you want to look at unfortunate career trajectory the Buffyverse's supporting women like Mercedes McNabb, Caulfield and Juliet Landau are disheartening. And especially Kennedy's actress, though most people would probably say she deserved no better. (I never hated her, oh why must I be plagued with these controversial opinions!)
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I don't know, I think Ripper might have been unbearable. The episode where we discover Giles has a dark past is riddled with cliches like, and I'm quoting here, "I never wanted you to get involved," and "I never wanted you to see this side of me," and he somehow grows a five o'clock shadow in an hour by drinking whiskey. It survives entirely on Head's acting and an entire show of that kind of writing would have worn thin very, very fast.
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Bicyclops posted:Upon a rewatch, it's actually amazing how much you identify with him over the people the show clearly wants us to side with in Buffy. Like, he's mildly condescending to Giles, which he apologizes for, but everyone is completely rude to him for absolutely no reason immediately, and they never stop. He comes into his new job optimistically and really read to get started, is put in an extremely difficult situation, tries continuously to be courteous, understand and adjust, and only calls into Watcher HR when there's an actual murder going on. He actually bucks their authority later to be more understanding to Buffy and finally resigns officially and just offers his help (while turning an insult hurled his way into a self-deprecating joke). gently caress off duder, she was 18. Fair game for a Englishman
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 I mean, I agree with all that, but I think it's hella disingenuous that no one is mentioning that the only reason Wesley got assigned to Buffy was because the Council depowered her and sent her into a death trap and fired Giles for caring too much about her and that perhaps all of that maaay have possibly affected her friends' attitudes towards the replacement they sent who seems to have nothing but reverence and admiration for the Council. Or something, who knows, right?And that's not even considering the whole Gwendolyn Post debacle which didn't really warm anyone up to non-Giles Watchers, even if it wasn't exactly the Council's fault. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Jul 1, 2015 |
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Well sure, like I said, it rings true that they treat him horribly, but his reverence for the Council disappears pretty quickly and he makes it clear (often!) that he is keeping things from them.
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Bicyclops posted:I don't know, I think Ripper might have been unbearable. The episode where we discover Giles has a dark past is riddled with cliches like, and I'm quoting here, "I never wanted you to get involved," and "I never wanted you to see this side of me," and he somehow grows a five o'clock shadow in an hour by drinking whiskey. It survives entirely on Head's acting and an entire show of that kind of writing would have worn thin very, very fast.
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Green Crayons posted:Happens to me every time I throw back some whiskey, so I don't know why it wouldn't for a better man like Anthony Stewart Head. Maybe this is why I have to shave so often. 
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Faith had daddy issues. But... 
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Went looking for faith gifs, found this tiny scrap of "Gunn x Wesley" slashfic instead.quote:“How…” 15 years ago there would be a mighty oak tree of stories about hubcap axes mating with wrist-mounted stake bolts, but instead we only have this frail twig.
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When I was in university and we studied critical theory, the task for one week was to come up with a picture we felt represented feminism and post it on the online shared workspace with a short description of why. Of course, one person put up a photograph of Joss Whedon. I just remembered that.
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Bicyclops posted:Upon a rewatch, it's actually amazing how much you identify with him over the people the show clearly wants us to side with in Buffy. Like, he's mildly condescending to Giles, which he apologizes for, but everyone is completely rude to him for absolutely no reason immediately, and they never stop. He comes into his new job optimistically and really read to get started, is put in an extremely difficult situation, tries continuously to be courteous, understand and adjust, and only calls into Watcher HR when there's an actual murder going on. He actually bucks their authority later to be more understanding to Buffy and finally resigns officially and just offers his help (while turning an insult hurled his way into a self-deprecating joke). As much as I hate to use a TVtropes term, Weslie was the lieutenant newbie. To borrow a military analogy, Wesley was a guy was just some kid that graduated from OCS, and tried to tell the enlisted who had been fighting their asses off for the past three years that they've been doing it wrong all this time. From the Scoobie's perspective, Wesley was just some straightlaced college git giving orders he couldn't enforce, and had no clue what life was like for non-coms. So when he tried to tell the Slayers how to do things better, the Slayers just checked out. thrakkorzog fucked around with this message at 10:58 on Jul 2, 2015 |
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How old was Wesley supposed to be, anyway? Denisof was like 33 when he joined Buffy the Vampire Slayer, but given that Carpenter was about 29 that doesn't mean much. Presumably he's graduated Watcher college so he must be 21+, but beyond that I don't think we ever get an age for the guy. He freaks out over the fact that Cordelia is a student, but given his strict adherence to social propriety that doesn't help much in placing his age. I wouldn't be surprised if he was supposed to be 22 or similar, given how inexperienced he is. Of course, we see a bunch of Watchers who act like terrified children around vampires, so who knows.
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I would have a guess at mid twenties.
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Presumably the Watcher pathway is taking A levels a year early then a rush through Oxbridge (They'd have already read most the material prior) so shave a year off there as well. No GAP year either. So they'd be starting Day One at the council as a Probate Junior Adjutant Viewer, from there you'd add two years as they survive the practicum candidate thresher of infrequent, simulated, and later controlled condition, exposure to a single drugged vampire, then six months to get a Potential Management & Invigilation certification and you are off to the races, or more specifically, Sunnydale, as a bona fides Watcher of The Council. So, twenty four and a half years old. The heightened aura of inexperience and youthful callow is due to a childhood spent entirely in books, classrooms and libraries. shadow puppet of a fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Jul 2, 2015 |
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And Wesley was supposed to be a bit of a prodigy
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Given the "there can be only one" rule it seems like most watchers would be inexperienced book only types.
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I'm not gonna search it out but didn't they say Wesley was 26 when he showed up?
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Let's be honest, a dude crushing on a girl 8 years younger than him is really nothing compared to a guy crushing on a girl 400 years younger than him.
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Medullah posted:Let's be honest, a dude crushing on a girl 8 years younger than him is really nothing compared to a guy crushing on a girl 400 years younger than him. 229 years 
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bowmore posted:And Wesley was supposed to be a bit of a prodigy He was the head boy.
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Rocksicles posted:229 years
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That reminds me, nothing ever came out of Wesley's whole fake robot father thing, yeah? Not in the show or in the comics. We never found out who sent that?
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BrianWilly posted:That reminds me, nothing ever came out of Wesley's whole fake robot father thing, yeah? Not in the show or in the comics. We never found out who sent that? I do not believe so, no. So the lady is rewatching Season Seven and holy hell Kennedy is worse than I remembered.
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BrianWilly posted:That reminds me, nothing ever came out of Wesley's whole fake robot father thing, yeah? Not in the show or in the comics. We never found out who sent that? Not sure where I heard or read about it but I think one of the writers said it was sent by the Circle of the Black Thorn... Somehow.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Not sure where I heard or read about it but I think one of the writers said it was sent by the Circle of the Black Thorn... Somehow. I once read robo-daddy was going to be part of the original S5 finale plans.
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Rhyno posted:I once read robo-daddy was going to be part of the original S5 finale plans. Buffy and Angel are the kind of shows where the term "robo-daddy" actually isn't specific enough. For a minute, I thought you were talking about the John Ritter stepdad.
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