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paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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Powdered Toast Man posted:

What's that you say? ANOTHER hosed UP SHARE? :shepicide:

His boss is back in town tomorrow. I can only hope...

well? :munch:

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paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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Rhymenoserous posted:

He even created a lovely acronym to describe his lovely device:

SAM-SD (Scott Allen Miller - Storage Device)

http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/99354-what-is-a-sam-sd

Because no one had thought of slapping a das on a lovely old server and installing openfiler before. It needed it's own name.

Jesus christ

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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Some things with SVC that VPLEX doesn't have:

Thin provisioning
Write cache
Easy tier (automatic better performing storage)
Advanced features (mirroring, snapshots) can be done across different back end third party arrays

This guy tries to defend the VPLEX but most of his points are weak, or trivia. If you have hosts accessing the same data in multiple active data centers then that might be an argument for VPLEX, but SVC can do that too.

SVC is easy to manage as well with the new GUI, and has real-time compression built in.

http://vchetu.blogspot.com/2012/07/emc-vplex-vs-ibm-svc.html another comparison, note that you *can* encapsulate LUNs with SVC Image Mode.

Full disclosure: I work for IBM and have sold several SVCs.

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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Been a long time since I did networking... buuuttt...


route add default public.81.1 1

should the trailing 1 be ntapifgrp01 or ela ?

Even so you should still be able to ping the default gateway. Can you ping the gateway from another host, and ping all the filer's IPs?

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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Xenomorph posted:

Does anyone have any experience with Partners Data?
http://www.partnersdata.com/cgi-bin/productinfo?division=systems&id=761

Another department here has been using them for a while now, and they say they're pretty happy with them.

They're pricier than the cheap QNAP stuff I was looking at, but still cheaper than Dell.

i think you're wanted here

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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Corvettefisher posted:

That is almost as bad as when I first started this gig and came to find out the shared storage was actually openfiler VM's. I mentioned that wasn't really shared storage and a terrible idea, he basically looked at me like I insulted his grandmother.

bonus: the OP VM's were thin provisioned

:thumbsup:

eta for content: IHAC who didn't know how much space they had available on their XIV

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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just enjoy the schaudenfrude ok

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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hey guys i was gonna roll my own SAM-SAMBA-SOC (Scott Allen Miller SAMBA Scale Out Cloud) for my 15000 user Exchange 2005 production environment do you have any hardware to recommend? My budget is $650.

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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Corvettefisher posted:

dude you should totally splurge out on this spanking deal


Green drives will save you power! everyone on the spiceworks forums agreed this was the shizzle.

PS run NAS4Free

what kind of lovely config is this, everybody knows you need helium drives for best performance

eta has anyone rolled their own helium drives? I have a side job as a kid's party clown making balloon animals so I know what I'm doing OK

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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Why wouldn't the VMs write to the storage at site A? I don't understand your concern here. Snapview (as part of Mirrorview/A) is pretty crappy but in theory this should work.

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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sanchez posted:

A client has an EMC vnxe 3150 with a couple of SAS shelves attached, and a total of about 22 300gb SAS drives installed. When he originally set it up, following EMC's advice, every drive (minus hotspares) has been added to a single RAID 5 array. Since it's not in production yet we advised they move to RAID 10 instead (space will still be fine) mainly because I'm worried about rebuild times on an array that large along with redundancy in general. Is this rational?

I would set up 1 hot spare and three RAID 5 6+1 groups. If you have 1-2 hot spares and the rest is all a single RAID 5 group, that's not a good idea. RAID 10 would be if you need high performance or high redundancy.

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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bull3964 posted:

Just out of curiosity, why is RAID 5 instead of RAID 6? I'm not sure I would be comfortable with single parity in a production setting, even if you did have a hot spare.

RAID 6 is an option if you want to do two 8+2 groups and two hot spares. Slightly more capacity at somewhat lower performance. If you want more redundancy, sure, do RAID 6 or 10. I'd advise not using RAID 5 on 1TB and above drives, or SATA.

It's all about what your requirements are, though for 300GB drives RAID 5 is pretty standard.

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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guys he's a patient, not an employee


eta: or he will be :shepicide:

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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skipdogg posted:

I have a reseller that will do whatever you want him to. He'll send you 4 invoices for 450 each if you want to buy something for 1800 bucks. I've used him many times to get things past purchasing. Top of the line MacBook Pro becomes "Intel based Executive Laptop".

We used to have a 3K limit before VP approval became necessary. I once bought a top of the line laptop and he put 2800 on one PO, and then charged me 700 for a 'docking station' on another to scoot it by finance. I don't recommend putting your job on the line for this though. My name was no where on those purchase requests.

suddenly this thread is going places!


places i dont want to go, but still

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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adorai posted:

this poo poo is hosed up. I can literally spend up to $100k without anyone asking any questions that can't be answered in a three line email. I can spend $20k without filling out any paperwork. When a vendor requires a PO i use my initials and the date.

How you doin? ;-*

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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Whoever did this was serious? It's getting hard to tell in this thread. If they were serious, please leave the room if this will affect you

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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What's the distance between the sites? If you do synchronous replication it may impact the performance of your applications if the distance is large. And if the distance is more than 180km (300km for some IBM replication), it isn't practical or possible. The latency just gets too high for your host application.

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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demonachizer posted:

DR site is across the street.

:eyepop:

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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iSCSI or NAS? FCOE? Capacity and performance requirements? Replication?

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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Internet Explorer posted:

Does anyone have any recommendations for basic entry-level SANs or NASs that are dual controller, dual power supply, etc? Features like snapshots and data tiering don't matter so much, these would be used in very small environments. I have seen the Dell MD3200i thrown around as a suggestion. Any cheaper than that which are still recommendable?

http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/storage/disk/storwize_v3700/browse.html

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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I work for IBM, do you want to hear my opinion?

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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I assume he was thinking of something like NDMP over iSCSI. Sounds ghastly.

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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The_Groove posted:

I don't know anything about SONAS, but GPFS is still an official IBM product so I want to say yes. Their current HPC "storage appliance" offerings are called GSS (GPFS Storage Server?) and use the declustered RAID stuff I mentioned earlier on (now Lenovo's) x3650 servers. We've sent IBM a list of questions about how the Lenovo deal will affect our support and future products, but no response yet.

From what I know, GPFS and SONAS will still be IBM.

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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KillHour posted:

Secondly, while most of the systems will be 20TB or less (which I could shove in a DL380 12-bay, no problem), we will probably need to accommodate systems as large as 200TB or more. I could either go with external DAS units or use something like the Proliant 1xSL4540 to get the job done. Is there a good reason to go with one over the other other than cost and rack density? What is the densest system out there outside of SANs? I know Supermicro has a 72 LFF disk system, and I've seen them advertise a 90 LFF disk system (but I can't find it on their website, is it new?).

Also, one of the biggest issues with large camera systems is disk throughput. I see systems all the time that use 6 or 8 15k SAS drives in a RAID 10 just for 24 hours of storage so that they can offload the video to the slower 7200 RPM drives at night when there's less recording happening. Milestone (the VMS we're using) actually requires a "live" array for this reason. Is there a reason not to use SSDs instead of 15k SAS for something like this? It seems less expensive, and if I use a PCIe card like this, I can even save some drive bays.

For the higher end arrays (200-300TB+), 15k drives are being priced out, squeezed on both ends by 10k and SSD. Milestone video surveillance for casinos :ninja: uses two tiers with 7.2k the pretty optimal choice for the lower. The questions are do your customers require the extra throughput of SSD over 10k drives, and can they afford the additional cost? In my experience the answers are "no" and "no". However, SSD prices are coming down all the time, so YMMV.

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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Sickening posted:

At least getting initial quotes is easy. I got competing quotes from dell, netapp, and emc. Who else should I be talking to?

Block only? Check out an IBM v3700. If you need file then v7000 Unified.

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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orange sky posted:

So are there any blogs/news websites or feeds I should follow regarding IT infrastructure in general? Thanks in advance.

http://rogerluethy.wordpress.com
http://storagearchitect.blogspot.com/
http://glinden.blogspot.com/
https://www-304.ibm.com/connections/blogs/tivolistorage/feed/entries/atom?lang=en_us
http://storagemojo.com/
http://stevetodd.typepad.com/my_weblog/
https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/blogs/accelerate?lang=en
http://virtualgeek.typepad.com/virtual_geek/
https://storagebuddhist.wordpress.com
https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/blogs/InsideSystemStorage
http://purestorageguy.com
http://www.datacenterknowledge.com
https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/blogs/storagevirtualization?lang=en
http://www.storagebod.com/wordpress
http://highscalability.com/blog/
http://aussiestorageblog.wordpress.com
http://blog.scummins.com

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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mattisacomputer posted:

Okay, I think I convinced him to kill the VMware VSAN idea. Moving forward, what would be the low cost version of something like an IBM SVC to virtualize/centralize all of this assorted FC storage?

v7000 :v:

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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mattisacomputer posted:

That's what I recommended, as I know it can do the job but Sales Guy's response was "they're not gonna spend that kind of money." Either way not my problem, but the project now has me interested in what alternatives there to IBM SVC / v7000 that would provide similar features.

v5000 :v::v:

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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Probably not. At least get a same size/speed drive if you're going to try.

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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theperminator posted:

Mmm, still waiting on a quote from dell but might order some cheetahs.

If I just empty this raid group, I can then just delete the raid group and designate the drives freed up by doing so as hot spares can't I?

yes

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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I should disclaim that I've never worked with the AX series, but that's how it would work on other Clariions.

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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^^ lol

goobernoodles posted:

Anyone know how to get IBM on the phone without waiting for a callback for SAN issue? loving waiting for a callback.

http://www-304.ibm.com/support/customercare/sas/f/handbook/getsupport.html#9

Ask to speak to a duty manager. If that doesn't help, ask to open a critical situation.

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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I've worked with the Flashsystem 900, some of my customers are getting 900s and v9000s.

The 840 is a good bit nicer than the 820 all around, modular, nicer GUI, easier upgrades. The 900 is not drastically different than the 840, primarily it has more capacity.

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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Kaddish posted:

Can you virtualize storage on a v9000 just like an SVC/v7000? It looks like they literally stuffed an SVC pair in there. If yes this may not be a bad option.....

Yes, the v9000 is basically an SVC DH8 node pair connected to a Flashsystem 900. It's slightly more complex than that but that's the idea.

You could put a v7000 in front of a 900, or flip it around and put a v9000 in front of a v5000 if you needed more processing power (since the DH8 nodes are more powerful than the v7000 gen2 controllers).

http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/technotes/tips1281.pdf

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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hello from this thread's cache buffer overflow :cool:

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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thread gay, so what

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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Spring Heeled Jack posted:

So my company is probably going to venture into the realm of all-flash arrays soon.

Our current setup is an IBM v7000 with 17TB usable space among a couple data stores with 10&15k disks.

I know a lot of the all flash arrays rely on dedupe and compression, but how reliable are their numbers in this regard? I’m getting quoted flash setups with anywhere from 10-20TB usable and then they’ll say 28-48TB ‘effective’ space.

I feel like a doofus potentially buying a new SAN with less physical disk space than our current one, though I know it really isn’t the case. Help calm my nerves?

Note dedupe and compression are available with license on the v7000 at code level 8.1.2:

https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/blogs/storagevirtualization/entry/Announcing_Data_Reduction_Pools_8.1.2?lang=en

If you're set on a new array, the v9000 does all of the above at sub millisecond latency, and v7000 gen2+ is out, supporting SSDs up to 15TB:

https://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=ssg1S1003842

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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1. Hypothetically yes, you can get 32gb aggregated over four ports. It is likely that your bottleneck will be something other than your switch and HBA ports. Use multiple hosts connected to all ports and using multipathing. Controllers have multiple ports for bandwidth and for redundancy in case of component failure.

2. Your question is unclear... is the 4gb switch powered by the c7000? Is it a passthru switch or a fabric? Connected to blade servers in the c7000? First page of what? Exception to what? I think the answer is yes but the more I read what you wrote the more confused I get.

3. It sounds like this is an MDS powered by the c7000? If so you could connect the switch to an external SAN switch if you needed more ports for your fabric. I would keep it simple if you don't actually need that.

4. Whatever works for you.

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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I've only done this with Brocade but it should work similarly with cisco. If you attach an inter-switch link from your existing switch to a new one (without a config), it should download the config from the existing switch. Then you can migrate all your ports over to the new switch leisurely, disconnect the ISL once complete, and retire the existing switch.

You could download the config from the existing switch to a text file and upload it to the new one... I think that would work.

This link describes how to do it though it's not specific, maybe google around some more for specific instructions on downloading/uploading a config to a remote server.

https://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/storage/san_switches/mds9000/sw/san-os/quick/guide/quick_cg.html

obviously check and test this before relying on some random internet jackasses' word.

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paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

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CommieGIR posted:

Well, since no one knows, Im just gonna jump on this v7000 and see what I can do

Well if you want my opinion, it seems overkill. I'm assuming someone surplused it to you? Upgrade the code before the swma ends. Best home config is probably iscsi with DRAID 6 on the back end.

No clue if it would accept untested drives, but since it's probably out of warranty you could try.

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