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jamal posted:go buy some whiteline parts already. You won't regret it. And find some way to get like -2.5 degrees of negative camber up front. It's not a race car and besides, when these STI's with loads of suspension mods get beaten by the stocker..... I dont see the point. It fits my belief you learn how to drive the rear end off the car and it will reward you far beyond what you will expect it can. Almost no-one with a WRX ever truly finds out exactly just how far they can be pushed when you drive them the way they want to be driven. The real thing that will make it work better is diffs. And I ain't touching THAT until..... lets just say there's going to be a lack of a VR4 for me soon. And the loving legendary strut knock. That's gotta be fixed -_- quote:To those praising stock WRXes, why the hell would you want to keep it stock? Even just a tune really wakes the engine up. Step into my passenger seat and I'll show you why I couldn't care less  But really, unless your on a drag strip or on a big power circuit, it's already going to barrel into corners much quicker than the average driver can cope with. However, I'm not unfamiliar with what a tune can do, the other WRX I have access to is tuned for about another 20Kw with exhaust. It still doesnt tickle me to do it. Embarrassing the hell out of another modded STI sure does tho. Plus it's my daily driver and I'd like to have as little potential problems as possible But as it may, didnt prevent a loving CEL appearing today. WTF?
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kimbo305 posted:Can someone explain Subaru's priorities with racing programs? A lot of why the STI's are being beaten by the Mitsu's come to two things 1) Development The EVO platform is much more developed with the older EVO's still in use. But then again,t eh older EVO's were still in the main a better car in PWRC form. BUT, the thing is, even if the new STI's are "new", they still should have plenty of tried and true hardware. So what gives? 2) Platform. As much as loving retards like to bang on about Subaru wanting a hatch for rallying for performance reasons and the new suspension blah bla blah, those who spruke that don't know a loving thing. The hatch was pure and simple marketing. A hatch has it's own problems with weight distribution and COG. The other big issue is that the rear suspenion, which makes for a better ride is not suited for rallying. As much as the same retards bang on about struts being worthless, the simple fact is stuts are EXCATLY what works in rallying. Yoo need suspension travel. You need the rear camber to walk about to allow weight shift to really come to the fore. There is thence a real fundamental issue under the STI's skin that will take a lot of thinking to solve. When i was in Finland, I really noticed that the EVO runners had one solution for suspension design and it worked. The STI runners were all quite different with springs, shocks and suspension rates. It seems they are having some problems working out what to do to get the rear to work. The problem is, there is no time. The EVO X is looking like a right weapon. A few of them are starting to appear and they are instantly fast out of the box. It being a sedan with a suspension that suits rallying means I would expect the EVO X to be the car to have in PWRC next year. As much as we are Subaru fans here, we all have to admit the EVO X really stole a march on the STI. It's just plain better, full stop.
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grzydj posted:You're going to have to explain to us loving retards why the Citroen C4 does so poorly in WRC and why the Ford Foci hatchback seems to be doing pretty terribly in WRC where oddly enough Mitsubishi doesn't even compete anymore. Maybe because the point that goes over your head over and over again is that the hatch was always a marketing decision and that a hatch HAS no real advantage. None. Mitsubishi dont compete because they didnt give a team money. They kinda dont have any to give to WRC. Subaru didnt do as well with the sedan because of two reasons... 1) Cubic cash. If you decided to take a trip to Europe and scan the service parks, you will notice the sheer size difference and hence budgets Citoren and Ford has over Subaru, not to mention Ford basically have 4 teams they use for development, Citroen 3. Subaru? 1. 2) Awful design. Prodrive designed the 05 based on sports sedans and not a rally car. Whoops, that will be three years down the toilet until they worked it out. The 08 is the first car properly designed. On that awful design, the boxer motor may be good in a road car, but in WRC where you can do freaky engine positioning, the boxer is too far forward. Now in countries that have more money and teams that know a great deal more about rallying than the USA, the EVO IS the better car. And so far the new STI is not able to beat the old EVO's (looking rather doubtful too, given in Finland how many Mitsu's were beating the first Subaru until the drivers had brain fade), while Mitsubishi runners have the new EVO X coming.
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not black enough posted:Hopefully this is the last derail: Tell me more about this freaky engine positioning with the power of words and pictures please. The Ford / Citroen's WRC engines are quite some distance back from the front of the car and a lot lower down than say you would find in a road car. They basically manage to package the entire engine / gearbox to very close or behind the front axle line so there is very little foward of the axle. The Subaru engine is unavoidably more forward. You just cant do WRC engine placement in a road car however - So while a Subaru road car boxer layout is very good for a road car, nice and low with the weight back (and PWRC too), it's got a bit of an issue in WRC. The boxer cant really go that much further back and you cant really move the layout all that much. And enough of that anyway..... There anyone from NZ readign this thread? PM me pls. Especially if you know well the second hand Subaru market is.
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kimbo305 posted:Does the Subaru building in the back mean it was a company/dealer sponsored event? Nope, that's a dealer / training complex that is at Eastern Creek Raceway. Pretty cool to look inside the windows and see a new STI in all it's pieces tho.
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DiZ posted:Great one, thanks to this thread I want to go buy a early 2000's WRX. Yeah you and me both but the prices.....! Crappy high km MY01, 16K. gently caress that noise.
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DiZ posted:Yeah it is loving ridiculous honestly. Either you get a lovely My98 for 8-10K (They are about) or you bend over and take one up the rear end for a bugeye. Pissing me off because I don't want to pay 20K for the next rally car before I even begin to built it. The intention was to get an 01, then do a panel swap so it becomes an 06/07, then get a engine out of a front cut, which only works if I can find a cheap 01. Hell, it'll almost be cheaper to just get another 06 outright. That certainly has crossed my mind. Otherwise, see if Ralliart has the rally deal still going where you can get a race/rally only import EVO X with cage. I heard they are only 41K. At least it'll be half built as well. CAT INTERCEPTOR fucked around with this message at 12:56 on Oct 7, 2008 |
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BannedForLulz posted:Oh god, dealers. Im used to changing spark plugs on small I4s, which take all of 15 minutes. At first glance the boxer looked much more tedious. I decided to ask the local Subaru dealer during an oil change how much they charge for changing the spark plugs, "The spark plug change is $300." My jaw literally dropped infront of him. "Oh, its because the WRX uses SPECIAL PLATINUM spark plugs, theyre advanced." I was really fighting back telling him I wasnt retarded. Actually I think the plug change cost that much because it's a bitch to do. Any boxer motor however, a plug change is a bitch. Anything else on the car tho.... oh what a nice thing to work on. Had the suspension out to get rid of the dreaded strut knock (strut knock isn't dying struts, it's actually bad lubrication) and to do some other work that I'm keeping unspecified at present - and really, everything is just nice. I do have to make a tool to make takign the strut tops off easier but it's all good. Also was really surprised just how easy it would be to turn an 06 into a race car. Noticed a few nice touches that would make a conversion soooooooo easy...... and a lack of things getting in the way. There is also IS quite a handling difference between my 06 and the 07 I also been driving about in. Prolly have to have a good look this week when both are up on jack stands.
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ChunksNensja posted:Drivers side, between the intercooler and the turbo. Use a hose and fill it slowly. Too quick and it will pressurise the gearbox and you will be wearing the gear oil. Well bugger me, there really is a dipstick there. I don't think I've ever seen that in a manual before. Makes that little job easy. Thanks to you both  Apart from the plugs, the WRX is really such a straightforward car to maintain or repair. I haven't really see anything that makes me wonder WTF they were thinking.
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WRX no longer standard. It's got pink bits. And then it's getting Spec C bits With a few Group N bits. gently caress. Wallet rape time.
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I'm not touching Cusco except if it's in the diffs. And Tein can go to hell too. Suspension plans are more in the order of like I usually do - track work, test a few options then go stupid with DMS or MCA with a visit to the local machine shop. Whatever it is, it'll mirror the now very much on new project.
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I went from Forester XT to WRX. Straightline, I think the XT will get the WRX up to about 120kph but after that the WRX walks away. Handling wise, the Forester is more limted by tyres. Get rid of the Geolanders, theya re terrible. If you are a lunatic, a XT can be thrown into corners a lot harder than it looks it should have any right to be. WRX will still blow it's rear end away tho. You can drive them drat hard and they will keep going. I've been known to have all four brakes and exhaust glowing red/orange after a decent fang - Plus the gearbox is definatly stronger than a WRX's. No subsitute for a WRX if your on a flyer tho.... fantastic to mod tho. They respond incredibly well.
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The g/f went to an offical launch of the 09 last night - I got there late so I could only have a quick look. The sedan is.... not too bad in the flesh. A VAST improvement on the hatch. It has split fold rear seats even but a very odd kick in the boot that will limit the size of anything you want to put through. There is definatly some good handling improvements, 195Kw as standard as they put the STI turbo on AUS delivered WRX's, wider tyres and if I heard right, the rear diff is once again got an LSD in it. Piss tiny intercooler, wich lead to all sorts of "Why the gently caress is the scoop so big for that?????" Subaru I think gets it that the 08 was a fuckup. The 09 looks to me to be as a sedan at least a pretty tidy improvement. It even looks decent from the rear. Front is still ugly but okay, it's better. An 08 may become very cheap second hand. The 09 sedan is what they should have had to begin with.
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Mr. Powers posted:Are you sure it's not the VF52 turbo? That's what is on the USDM 2009 WRXs. It has similar components to the STi turbo, but it is not quite the same. I think it shares a compressor or impeller but not the other. Something like that. Just quoting what they said from the podium. So my words aint no gospel. However from the mouths of Asia-Pacifc rally crews in the room, there was a degree of talk about the 07 vs 08 vs EVO's. Consensus was that the 07 is definantly the best handling, the EVO more power. The 08's have some real suspension problems that Tommi Makinen's organization are making "good progress" on finally. Because the suspension is short in drop, the tuning sweet spot is v.hard to find and it's very narrow in settings range. This means that the 08 works for only certain road types. Apparently the 09 has some changes that address this issue. The Spec C "apparently" is being changed too.
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Mr. Powers posted:News & Rumors on NASIOC There's the problem - NASIOC is a shithole.
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ChunksNensja posted:All '08s with the 2.5T in Australia were at risk of bearing failure. I know of some cars that had the short blocks replaced twice before 5000kms. I'm still not sure what caused it but I think its more a bearing quality issue rather than a problem with the oiling system. Does this apply to STI's as well?
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^^^^ Imagine if everyone in GBS had a WRX and then posted without moderators. It's a worthless shithole - go to scoobymods.com instead. And an 06-07 STI is awesome poo poo. ChunksNensja posted:STI's seemed to suffer from the piston problem a lot more than bottom ends but it isn't unheard of. I know of one that had a short block replaced for cracked piston ringlands and then got a long motor replaced because it had a bottom end knock. gently caress. Scrubs that idea by the sounds of it. So you would say that using one for motorsport would be just asking for trouble?
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jamal posted:
Someone's got it worked out what's on my mind.... I've looked at EVO IX's, which seem to be the best shot, but to be honest I dont want to do another Bitsaremissing. An EVO X RS is the cheapest brand new but it's a heavy oval office. An 08 of all things is looking like the cheapest to use - the rear suspension after a tear down and look at isnt really to my liking. I can just read problems all over it. But for what I have in mind, new is going to work best for the sake of homologation longevity and I just man up and deal with the issues. There's a 06 Spec C that I know is for sale, fully prepped for a good price. Still, STI's have crashed in prices here so an 06 or an 07 could well be on the cards.
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burtonos posted:Scroll down to wiring. But I wouldn't know if they are all the same. It'll do. Gives me some knowledge before pulling the trigger on something.
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kimbo305 posted:What makes them different from other mudflaps? Just thicker and tougher? They have RALLY on them. Duh, of course they are God's gift to mudflaps. No, they are ricing BS that real rally drivers laugh at - You can do better and cheaper with a set of aftermarket rubber ones or hell, make your own with the stuff that trucks use. If you want REAL rallying protection, the urathane is at least twice as thick and a good deal wider and drops lower, while extending higher up the arch.
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Mr. Powers posted:I guess someone used the word "rally" in vain. Yep, functional mud flaps are rice. In fact I used this same kind of urethane on the VR4 to start with. Have a guess how long they lasted. And how little it actually did to protect? (It also cost me 20 dollars) Again, Cheap conveyor belt rubber - gently caress even mudflaps off a semi cut down works better than this poo poo. Your paying at the list price 130 dollars and you want to tell me they are worth it when I know that a 5 dollar solution works better and a 30 dollar solution looks okay too? And doesn't make you look like a wanker? FYI, real rally mud flaps cost less too. And you have some left over for suspension protection. Worked out why I'm shaking my head at the stupidity of "Rally Armor" yet? Now this on the other hand is real rally armor   Actually I'm not happy with the sump guard, it's too thin for my liking. The VR4's was 4mm alloy and could take a very big hit. They tell me Subaru's dont require the sheer size of what a VR4 needs - I'm not sure so far, even if the STI does have a lot more gap between sump and ground.   Deposit down, it comes home in a few weeks after I clear out a fuckton of VR4 crap and shells. CAT INTERCEPTOR fucked around with this message at 05:44 on Nov 15, 2008 |
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.... And it's finally at it's new home. One 2004 STI with one rally under it's belt to join the other three rally cars, two WRX's and an RX7 that are currently residing at my home.  Dont look like much on the outside. But where the VR4 is struggling to make third gear, this monster is in fifth and acclerating hard. 2 litre JDM engine (brand new) Group N PWRC motor, all sorts of good diffs (No DCCD, not bothered for now), DMS, all sorts of other Group N goodies.... And doing some testing today, it's just plain gonna kill me unless I adjust my driving to suit. The diff setup is very unlike anything I've tried before. Picked up this plus bumpers, 10 Compomotives + tyres and a STI short block for 30,000 AUD (Just a tick over 20K USD). Not bad for soemthing I dont have to spend another cent on to go rallying and considerably faster than the old car.
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Just Another XY posted:How about me? Bought my WRX with 3000 km's on it, no problems at all. I wouldnt worry about it.
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8ender posted:Looks like they've bloated out the Legacy into a full-size car, which I wouldn't have considered it before. Its also powerfully ugly, which is a good and bad thing. It's a bad thing only. The Liberty was always the sole exception to Subaru ugly - you either viewed it as bland or pretty good looking, depending on taste. This? This is poo poo. I hope it's changed.
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MMD3 posted:this makes me wonder if they're repairing it, not replacing it... service duder told me they were replacing the whole thing, wonder if he's talking out of his rear end. quote:I just got a call an hour ago that apparently they need a few pins and a nut that they didn't order so now they have to overnight those. Uhhh, why didn't you realize this on Monday? The only pieces you would need to swap should be easily on hand or obtainable and certainly I cant think of a nut off the top of my head that needs to be replaced on a gearbox swap. My guess is that they cracked the box open and found things were not good inside. The service guy might of meant they were replacing all the internals. As others have said, a Subaru's gearbox is a piss easy swap for a gearbox.
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jamal posted:that, and all the other stuff that comes with it. DCCD, helical diffs everywhere, better hubs and wheel bearings, brembos. Then there's the wider track, wider wheels, more aluminum suspension parts, better struts, dual avcs, bigger intercooler etc. Very little of which means dick on the road or anything up to 9/10ths. After 9/10's then it begins to matter but gently caress all know how to use a AWD chassis and wont realise a standard WRX is far more capable than they realise anyway and your hardly able to use what a standard WRX offers in the first place. And a DCCD isn't all it's cracked up to be either. And if your going racing or modifying, you toss most of that poo poo anyway for real racing parts or your chosen modifications. It's really only of true advantage if your in a race or rally situation where the rules don't allow parts swapping and you have to use the standard kit. That's where you also go look at what a SpecC offers anyway. The six speed however IS quite a difference on the road and highway. It's something you can access and use day to day all the time without requiring to search the outer limits to get the most out of it.
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Mat_Drinks posted:The STI v. WRX arguement is all dependant on what you're looking for. Arguing which is better in a general sense seems kind of pointless to me. I got both these days so I have a foot in either camp BUT just as a general observation, the STI bits and pieces do make a difference flat out, no denying. But I cant in all honesty say it would be worth it on a road only car, except the six speed. That I do love to bits and it is stronger with the front LSD, which set up right helps the car tighten it's line when you are on the throttle around a corner. quote:Artemis J Brassnuts posted: Going back here, as another observation, using your DD for this is a very bad idea. I would strongly urge you to not do it. It's quite normal at our club events for a WRX to be towed away due to something breaking - granted 30 odd WRX's means the chances of a tow away are higher than when one or two WRX's but I simply would never use my DD in the line of constant fire. You will wear it out prematurely, you will eventually break poo poo and dirt will get everywhere. On a car whose only purpose is to get dirty and to take the risk of breaking and being towed home, its not an issue. In fifteen years, I towed home a RWD / FWD once. In four years, I towed home the VR4 4 times. I'm expecting the STI to be towed home with the same regularity. Granted I do kick the living poo poo out of the race cars but that's what they are for
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Just Another XY posted:So...I'm back from the miata megathread, when I realized I need more than 2 seats and about two cubic feet of room as a post-grad. If you can afford it, yes.
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Artemis J Brassnuts posted:My story might change the first time I break something really expensive, though. Yes it will - have fun but remeber, you will break poo poo eventually. But then again there are people in the local WRX club who hammer their cars, break poo poo and come back the next event. The biggest laugh is seeign an 05 get towed away with a gearbox detonation, to return perfect the next week. Some guys will just fling whatever it takes to have fun . You milage will varyOn the 08 vs 09 - I'd agree if you were going to modify, an 08 would be the best target. Your going to toss most of the things that make an 09 better in the first place and 08's arent holding value all that well so get the cheaper base and use the difference to upgrade more. If you dont want to mod, then there's no argument, 09 is the way to go. Personally, an 08 WRX might well end up being the best one to grab for modders, just simply because of the unloved status, resultign in lower initial cost. I was seriously looking at an 08 and then doing a Group N conversion to it - you can grab 08's with gently caress all kms here for 3/4rds new price, then just go to town. As a racing base where you have to strip poo poo out anyway, an 08 will simply rock. And in fact I was about to get one before the STI popped up at a dont argue price. Even if the 08 has issues in race / rally trim, if you want a basically new race / modded WRX, it's not a bad option at all. Was also looking at an EVO X too but.... ugh. Big. Unweildly. No thanks.
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With the diff locked, the torque will go 50:50, no matter what the surface front or rear on. It's exactly the same for any diff. What the 50:50 will mean is that your front wont bite, but your rear will and hence you will get going. Even if the front had utterly no traction at all, 50% will still go there. That's what diff locking is all about. Atomicfire has it correct quote:The 06+ has a more even torque split, I forget what it was. 41:59
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jamal posted:notice how in my example the diff is at full lock? Yes exactly it is at full lock. In a completely locked diff - the torque still goes equally to the front and to the rear. Disregard what the effective work it can do, that is not the issue when you are discussiong torque split. Torque goes to both front and the rear equally when there is no chance front of rear axle can move independant of each other. How much effective work can be done is very different. And where that work is done is different, this is true but it's not axle torque split. What you have in a locked diff is effectively a four wheel axle. In fact, lets go to the logical conclusion and lets say you have a four wheel truck axle. Two wheels a side. The outside wheel is tarmac, the inside wet ice. There is still 100% of torque availible of that axle going via both wheels - if one has traction and the other doesnt, they still have the same torque turning them. So what does this front torque actually do if there is no traction on the front but lots on the back? Well.... nothing. It's wasted. BUT because the diff is locked, there is torque availible to drive the wheels with traction. And thence the car will still move. IF the diff was open, the torque will go path of least resistance and you will get a flurry of front wheelpin, no matter what the base torque spilt is. Front and rear will be trying to do the same work. Wether that work is achieved..... different story.
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