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Popcorn
May 25, 2004

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For a long time I've wondered how to recreate a whining, atonal electric guitar sound similar to the one used in Yoko Kanno's "[url= http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QamSVUjYkzg ]Spotter[/url]". The sound starts at around 3:23-- it's that random-sounding feedback wailing. It sounds to me like it's a guitar put through lots of reverb and some distortion, but how is that weird whining-droning noise achieved?

Actually, I asked this before on the forums about four years ago, and someone suggested using a small portable motor (such as an electric razor) pressed against the strings, but when I try that it just sounds like a really amplified electric razor. (I'd dig up the thread to find the exact things people suggested, but I don't have archives.) Anyone got any other ideas?

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Popcorn
May 25, 2004

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Really an outstanding thread.

This is a pretty lame song, but I the brief guitar solo at 3:55 really caught my ear. Anyone want to take a guess at what sort of effects are used there?

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May 25, 2004

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I want to make a simple string-synth-pad sound. Something like the synth used here at about 1:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJthA4l8S5U

I don't know how to use VST synthesisers (or synthesisers at all for that matter). I am using Cubase and Reason. How do I do it?

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May 25, 2004

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Thanks for the replies to my question about synth strings. Sent me down a rabbit hole of synth/sampler fiddling. So much yet to learn...

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May 25, 2004

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How does Jack White get his smooth fuzzy zip-like guitar sound? Anyone know what combos of pedals he uses? see 2:50 here. I've looked up stuff about his rig and know he uses muffs and digitech whammies but I dunno how he'd make that particular sound there. Not that I know much about guitar effects anyway.

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May 25, 2004

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I want to use 80s drum sounds like M83. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4Pg-2LP76g

Anyone guess at what sort of drum machine or sample banks I should be looking for? It doesn't have to sound exactly like that-- just something in that meaty 80s drum machine ballpark.

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May 25, 2004

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KaosPV posted:

I think the 909 sounds more 90's (or at least late 80's) than pure 80's, personally (I associate it with The KLF for example, and primitive house acts).

I like using the TR-707 for the 80's synthpop vibe, the 808 gets you more the electro sound (a la Cybotron and Jonzun Crew, not Le Castle Vania). I think that The Outrunners use a 707 or 707 samples, if you want to know how it sounds like (I've only listened to a song by M83 and can't remember how his drums sounded, also I'm at work and can't youtube it).

After doing some research it looks like the 707 is the sound I'm after. Thanks!

Uh... so, anyone got any good free Roland sample banks? :(?!

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May 25, 2004

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Dr Jones, you spoil me.

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May 25, 2004

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I have a stupid question. In Reason, with the Thor synthesiser, how do I load the init (blank) patch? It just loads a preset and I can't figure out how to unload it. There doesn't seem to be a blank/init patch to select.

edit: just realized I posted this in the wrong thread-- I meant to put it in the 'small questions' thread. Jesus, I'm stupid today

Popcorn fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Sep 24, 2010

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May 25, 2004

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Maguro posted:

Right click the thor --> select init. patch

I was being stupid and not reading 'initialize' as 'init.'! Doh! Thanks a lot :)

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May 25, 2004

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How do I process vocals to get this sort of sound?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yapMvWKJ0jM

I would like to start processing my singing voice beyond simple reverb effects. I like how ghostly and crumbly these vocals sound (beyond their actual delivery, I mean).

edit: and while I'm posting here again I'd just like to thank Yoozer and the other people answering questions here for what has been the most educational resource in music production since I started looking. Really an amazing thread.

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May 25, 2004

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How do I create the ambient sounds the chap on electric guitar is making in this song? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NJmI4mv5k8

Obviously it's some combo of reverb and delay but I've never managed to create an ambient sound as lovely as that.

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May 25, 2004

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breaks posted:

The missing element is probably some form of envelope control, you have to take the attack off so you need a volume pedal, or adsr pedal, or work the volume knob. He has got a loop pedal of some kind going too. Aside from that it's just practice and experimentation.

Thanks. The envelope control is probably the missing ingredient.

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May 25, 2004

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Anyone have any insight on how M83 processes vocals? I like that ethereal processed sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9yvItZAjfY&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4Pg-2LP76g

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May 25, 2004

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Popcorn posted:

Anyone have any insight on how M83 processes vocals? I like that ethereal processed sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9yvItZAjfY&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4Pg-2LP76g

No clues on this?

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May 25, 2004

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How can I create a basic, warm synth bass sound, such as the one Bjork uses here? I'm using Synth1 and Zebra VSTs, but am inept at both.

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colonp posted:

Sine wave, some attack, bit more decay, sustain a bit down, some release.

The attack and release is to make it a bit softer/less demanding, decay+sustain down to give it some snappyness (just a bit).

I've tried recreating it in synth1, but can't get it quite right.

Yeah, that's about as far as I've got, but it's not really there yet... it's so soft it gets lost in the mix. Maybe Synth1 isn't the right tool for it.

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May 25, 2004

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Does anyone have suggestions about how to achieve the filtered drum sound on Wise Up by Aimee Mann?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_goEernujW8

I can get something similar by putting a bitcrusher and hi-pass filter on a drum machine but I'm wondering if anyone has any bright ideas for other approaches.

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May 25, 2004

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ynohtna posted:

Along with Flipperwaldt's great suggestions, you should try and get some Transient Designer type plug-ins in your life. (Flux BitterSweet is one free option but different implementations can sound, feel and respond radically different.)

Alternatively, try applying some ultra-fast gates that don't close completely.

Edit: A good trick for effecting sharp ticky percussion is to parallel process it so that one channel has just the dry transient attack, whilst the second buss is the pure sustain - without attack - that is fed to your chosen effects chain.

I understood all of Flipperwaldt's suggestions for this but this is all new confusing to me. Could you explain some of it again assuming I'm a total moron, or point me to some good resources? This sounds useful for a track I'm working on.

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Flipperwaldt posted:

Now admittedly the line between transient and tail isn't always going to be that black and white and that part about the reverb is almost metaphorical, but I don't know how to explain it better. Hope it at least helps with the understanding of some of the aspects of it.

That's perfectly clear and fascinating, thank you! That's a totally new concept I've learnt there.

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May 25, 2004

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I'd like to recreate a pretty basic/classic/cliched pad synth sound. This is a super-cheesy example but it demonstrates the sound pretty clearly, from the opening bars:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tvqay45yFk

anyone got a recipe?

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May 25, 2004

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Thanks, got something pretty close now. :D

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Any tips for recreating the famous chime-like synth sound for the main melody in Merry Christmas Mr Lawrence?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkWjsT_SJNI&t=57s

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May 25, 2004

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I have a bit of a strange one. I need some help recreating a synth sound from one of my own songs. You can listen to it here: https://soundcloud.com/jamesduffy-1/dont-look-for-me

The lead synth uses a preset in Zebra2 called HS Room 5 (with a filter and some compression and distortion). I loved the sound of it and ended up writing a whole song around it. Now my band is trying to work out how to play it live. However, I never bought the Zebra 2 VST, and the demo version stops working after 30 minutes, which is really irritating when we're rehearsing.

I'm wondering if it can be recreated using a free synth instrument like P8, Synth1 or one of Ableton's synths. I spent some time trying to do it myself, but I'm a bit of a synth amateur I haven't got anything sounding nearly as good. It's particularly the filter envelope I can't get sounding right.

Can anyone listen to it and hazard a guess at whether it can be done? Here's a screenshot of the settings in Zebra 2, if that helps: http://i.imgur.com/79y22Np.png

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May 25, 2004

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stickyfngrdboy posted:

I have no idea how to recreate that sound but I really like that track.

Thanks!

ynohtna posted:

Buy a copy of Computer Music magazine to get Zebra|CM for free. Zebra has a lot of unique magic in its oscillators and filters which Howard Scarr exploits to the max in his presets. Trying to emulate such tonality elsewhere is going to be one hell of a pain compared to doing it within the same engine (albeit slightly cut down in the CM edition).

(Zebralette can be downloaded for free straight from u-he.com but is even more cut down than the |CM edition, so do try getting Computer Music if you can. It's worth it just for that plug-in!)

I had no idea about this. Thanks for the tip, it sounds promising.

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May 25, 2004

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I just went out and bought an issue of Computer Music but I think I got some kind of special issue for morons because the CD doesn't have Zebra on it. :argh: I guess I'll look tomorrow and see if there's a "normal" edition.

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May 25, 2004

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OK, I managed to get a copy at last.

Feeding the Zebra 2 preset into Zebra CM sort of works but it adds a lot of white noise. I took that out and now I have something that's SORT of there. A lot of learning to do...

e: biggest mystery so far is that setting the sustain to maximum doesn't actually seem to infinitely sustain the notes.

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May 25, 2004

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Uh... can I get it to sustain the level... over time... for as long as I hold the key?

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May 25, 2004

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Yes, usually when I set sustain to maximum I expect it to sustain for as long as I hold the key. But that isn't happening here and I'm not sure why. Don't worry, I'm not expecting you/anyone to figure out why.

But your initial response baffled me completely :)

e: oh wait, I think I figured out what you mean about level and not time. right, hm.

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May 25, 2004

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Laserjet 4P posted:

If you want it to keep sounding without pressing keys you have a few options:

No, I just want it to sustain while I hold the note. This is purely me being poo poo at Zebra.

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May 25, 2004

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Watching Zebra 2 tutorials and it turns out Zebra2 is awesome and also makes way more sense than ZebraCM, which looks like some sort of 90s biomechanical control panel.

Popcorn fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Feb 4, 2014

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May 25, 2004

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Any ideas on how to recreate this guitar tone? It's one of the best sounds in the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nGLqXZ-f70

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May 25, 2004

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Thanks, everyone, for the These Days advice!

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May 25, 2004

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX5y17Hrn_M

Am I right in thinking the bass sound here is a saw synth doubling a distorted bass guitar, and not just a bass guitar with some amazing sort of fuzz on it? (I'm slowly realising how many of the fuzzy basslines I loved as a kid were actually synths.)

e: if I'm right, you can hear the separation clearly at 2:23.

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May 25, 2004

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How can I recreate the super-detuned dreamy synth sound at the start of Loving You (Original Version) by Michael Jackson?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJS5PBgF8is

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May 25, 2004

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wayfinder posted:

That's a typical FM E-Piano, should be available as a preset in any FM synth. I don't think there's a lot of detuning going on in the patch itself, it sounds more like a very slow but pretty severe vibrato, like a warped record.

Thanks! I've actually never toyed with FM synth, only subtractive - any free VSTs you'd recommend for getting something close?

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Laserjet 4P posted:

This is pure DX7. The bass sound is a factory preset, nr 15.

The EP sound in the intro is a combination of the factory preset - nr 11 - with something else, probably the harp preset (it's also a typical DX7 sound).

See http://www.synthmania.com/dx7.htm for the actual sounds.

It seems http://dssi.sourceforge.net/hexter.html is free, but it might take some work to get it going. A Yamaha TX7 however, can be had for peanuts.

edit: listening to the entire track, it's really chock full of DX7.

edit 2: no, the harp presets show up at 1:24, the second layer sound of the intro is something else.

Sorry I'm so late to reply, but - thanks so much for this post! :)

do you have any idea how the actual detuning effect was created for the intro? is it just that whatever other instrument is playing over the DX7 electric piano is detuning a lot?

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In Daft Punk's Girgio by Moroder, how do they achieve that kind of pitched scratching sound that's linked to the drums? You can hear it really clearly around 7:50.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m4ZkEqQrn0&t=436s

How can I recreate something like it in Ableton?

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ianfx posted:

Does anyone have ideas on how to synthesize bee sounds? Buzzing/etc. I could just find a sample but it would be cooler to synthesize what I want.

Dunno if this is helpful at all, but the sound at the end of this Atoms for Peace song always reminds me of a swarm of bees. Apparently it was made with a Prophet or Dave Tetra synth (no idea what settings) put through a boss DD7 digital delay, which I imagine is what gives it its "swarming" sound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayNljo-DQTs&t=214s

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Flipperwaldt posted:

It's probably literally someone scratching a turntable. Sampled, manipulated for pitch, I dunno. The exact sound really depends on what record you're scratching. I vaguely remember a plugin that let you load an audio file and then let you draw envelopes that emulated your hand going up and down, but that was maybe ten years ago. Really no idea how you'd fake it.

Thanks, but I don't think it's scratching.

1: It's linked to the drums; like, something (software I assume) is listening to the drum recording and triggering whatever the sound is. In the section around 7:50 where the drums are playing huge fills, you can hear how it's synchronising exactly to the mystery scratching noise.

2. It's pitch-based. Whenever the sound "triggers" it's like a white noise descending pitch, almost like synth toms.

3. At 8.41 you can hear the sound decaying. Doesn't like turntable scratching to me.

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