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Hedrigall posted:For fans of badly written blurbs, here's a slightly more detailed blurb for the new book: Sounds great, I hope it won't be another several years until his next book after this one is published.
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# ¿ Nov 21, 2008 19:23 |
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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 00:46 |
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Hedrigall posted:New cover art, courtesy of Amazon.co.uk! I like it! Seriously though he had better have like five books lined up for the next three years after this.
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# ¿ Dec 2, 2008 14:29 |
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SaviourX posted:Here's my off-the-cuff rendering of the end of Iron Council, most likely missing out on some key things. There's an excellent exchange online between Mieville and someone else talking about Iron Council in the context of Walter Benjamin's theory of history, if you can find it. Lots of stuff about how the historian/storyteller must necessarily do their subject a terrible disservice and erase the individuality and realness of the people involved in the history being recorded. I can't remember where to find it but it was good stuff and bears up well with subsequent readings of the book.
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# ¿ Mar 7, 2009 07:19 |
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Cool. He wrote a nice piece on tentacles and their general literary meaning (and the inability of the "weird" to mix with the "ghostly" in modern horrific literature even though they're so kindred) in this journal: http://www.urbanomic.com/CollapseIV.pdf (his piece is called "M.R. James and the Quantum Vampire") and it sounds like that ties into his same interests (although, if I recall correctly, he supposedly turned in the manuscripts for City and the City and Kraken at the same time).
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# ¿ Oct 27, 2009 14:18 |
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McCaine posted:Oh I just found this thread. Thanks Hedrigall for the great thread and making me finally read The Iron Council! Unsurprisingly, I loved precisely the political stuff the best, unlike most people in this thread apparently. I have to admit I don't care at all for horror though so the 'new weird' doesn't appeal to me. You hadn't read Iron Council yet? It's his best one by far, especially if you enjoy the political side of his writing, although maybe I partly love it because ~I love Walter Benjamin~
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# ¿ Nov 5, 2009 19:06 |
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Atma McCuddles posted:Okay, so, I've read The Scar and Peridio and I haven't liked a single one of this guy's protagonists. His set-up and world building are great, don't get me wrong, but Bellis is such a bitch right through to the end and Isaac is a complete rear end in a top hat who should have died. And every single one of his characters speaks in exactly the same way. I wish he'd do a collaboration and let some other author who's better with characterisation play in his sandbox to make his books a bit more digestible. You're not supposed to like them, I think.
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# ¿ Apr 14, 2010 06:21 |
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I hope people complain just as much about the blatant pro-fascist sentiments present in the majority of sci-fi lit.
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# ¿ May 4, 2010 14:51 |
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Saerdna posted:Kraken is one of the worst books I've ever read. The characters are cartoons, the story is derivative and boring and the writing is horrible. Here is some of it. Might I suggest to you George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire instead?
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# ¿ May 22, 2010 20:45 |
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Hedrigall posted:Eh, skip King Rat. It's his most forgettable book. Go straight to Perdido, or even better, The Scar Noooo don't read The Scar before Perdido Street Station ever
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# ¿ Jun 3, 2010 06:30 |
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Kraken's shipping to me soon; I look forward to seeing what all the fuss was about.
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# ¿ Jun 28, 2010 15:41 |
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SaviourX posted:^^^^ Er, I think his whole point, especially in Iron Council, is that uprisings and resistance are important and 'useful' even if they do not succeed in overthrowing the entire world power structure. He is precisely sympathetic with the revolutionaries in his books even if he doesn't portray them as perfect Mary Sues.
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# ¿ Aug 13, 2010 14:07 |
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That Capital/the State (with regard to New Crobuzon) are the bad guys is more or less a basic assumption of Mieville's Bas-Lag books, and that's not the core message of them because it'd be a pretty boring core message to put forward; it's just a truth that is present in the background as a part of the general world. I feel as though Iron Council is a good example of how his messages tend to be more about exploring certain themes and ideas within revolutionary thought rather than simply saying that revolution is necessary. The golems that Judah Low makes (especially the one made out of corpses), Spiral Jacobs' attempt to make the whole city into a sort of monster, the hauntings-from-the-future, the stiltspear, the puppet theatre, Jack Half-a-Prayer, Toro's revanchism and Ori's transformation into the new Toro, and certainly the end(?) of the Iron Council all play into very specific notions and criticisms of different types of revolutionary thinking and what revolutions mean within a historical context. Mieville's not interested in saying 'revolutions are necessary' because that's a boring, trite, and (to him and to most Marxist/leftist readers) obvious point to make.
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# ¿ Aug 18, 2010 15:48 |
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Hedrigall posted:http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/08/storyboard-china-mievelle/ So if he (basically) finished Embassytown and TC&TC and Kraken all before he turned in TC&TC and Kraken to his editor on the same day... what the gently caress has he been working on since then, apart from 'The Rope is the World' (which I still need to find and read)? Good grief.
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# ¿ Aug 24, 2010 21:22 |
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I wrote to him a week ago about the notion of ghosts as economic externalities and he never got back to me
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# ¿ Aug 27, 2010 14:07 |
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I don't think we're supposed to like Doul. Anyone else possibly going to Historical Materialism 2010 in London? I'm considering it very seriously, and I mention it because China's going to be speaking (though if I go I'll be going mainly for the talks about Walter Benjamin as well as a few other conversations that look quite fascinating this year).
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# ¿ Oct 27, 2010 13:10 |
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IIRC he WAS pitching something to Marvel, so it's likely real. Between the Swamp Thing problem and this, he's probably not feeling so hot about the comic book industry.
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# ¿ Apr 8, 2011 01:32 |
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nixar55 posted:Tour dates: Only weeknights on the East Coast? What's a guy who lives in Connecticut to do
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# ¿ Apr 22, 2011 15:56 |
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Paragon8 posted:I think with the exception of The Scar I greatly prefer China's non-Bas Lag books at this point. He's done the fish-out-of-water thing precisely every other book (King Rat, The Scar, Un Lun Dun, and Kraken).
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# ¿ May 8, 2011 21:26 |
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I'm pretty sure Miéville is at least a little bit interested in eliminative materialism, so that wouldn't be too surprising.
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# ¿ May 19, 2011 23:05 |
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Did anyone else go to the event in Brooklyn last night?
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# ¿ Jun 3, 2011 05:19 |
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Embassytown seems very much like a development of and a focusing on certain elements from Iron Council, and as such it's likely my second favorite of his books.
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# ¿ Jun 9, 2011 04:41 |
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Hedrigall posted:Here's a cool limited edition cover: Yuck. I don't like it.
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# ¿ Jun 10, 2011 15:57 |
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nixar55 posted:So this was like almost two weeks ago, but I went. It was a fun reading in an interesting space. He's very adept at answering awkward, meandering audience member questions. However, the venue forgot to hire DJs or something so there was no dancing as promised. China would've danced, too. Boo. The specialty cocktail was a dark n' stormy made with Kraken rum. Nice touch. I asked the question about octopuses; I wasn't meandering!!!! but he didn't really answer it because there wasn't enough time to give a good answer.
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# ¿ Jun 13, 2011 02:32 |
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nixar55 posted:Aw, it wasn't your question I was referring to! It was more the first one. Yep - it's bigger than I had expected it to be. I need to write to him about my question, now that I think of it.
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# ¿ Jun 17, 2011 13:09 |
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At the New York signing for Embassytown he mentioned that it was coming out either this fall or winter 2012, IIRC.
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# ¿ Jul 15, 2011 16:14 |
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Iron Council, TC&TC, and Embassytown are probably his most sophisticated books, and they're also the ones that are by far the most rewarding on a second read.
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# ¿ Sep 2, 2011 03:45 |
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Metonymy posted:Can you elaborate on what is sophisticated about Embassytown? All I picked up was the stonerish conceit that metaphors aren't a literal representation of the truth, but at the same time they kind of like, are. It felt like Mieville just discovered the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis and thought it would be a fun basis for an entire book. I don't mind reading a thought experiment, even if it's couched in neologisms, but adding neologisms and a setting to a thought experiment didn't make it feel like a story. I don't think it's particularly brilliant from a linguistics point of view, but I think it does a great job of exploring the way we understand ourselves through stories (and, in that sense, it's very much a return to the themes of Iron Council).
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# ¿ Sep 3, 2011 08:20 |
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Iron Council is a really, really smartly written book on a thematic level, but for the folks who read his books mostly for the monsters I get why it's disappointing.
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# ¿ Oct 22, 2011 12:18 |
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Sounds neat and fun, and I loooove Moby-Dick, but I'm kinda sad that it'll be a two-year wait between Embassytown and his next non-YA work.
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# ¿ Dec 14, 2011 02:42 |
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If anyone who's grown-up enough not to QQ about Miéville's politics wants to read something explicitly political he wrote, it's up at http://londonsoverthrow.org/ - it's an essay, accompanied by photos, about London and the modern age of austerity.
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# ¿ Mar 6, 2012 08:25 |
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withak posted:Could be either reference books about imaginary creatures, or else peoples attempts to classify writing similar to his. I'm pretty sure it'd be the latter, because he loves the D&D Monster Manual but dislikes people throwing up hard imaginary categorical barriers between "fantasy," "science fiction," and "horror" and so on.
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# ¿ Apr 7, 2012 21:46 |
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fookolt posted:I'm not sure if everyone knows this but Embassytown is up for a Hugo in Best Novel. Christ, it'll be a crime if ADWD beats Embassytown.
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# ¿ Apr 11, 2012 07:59 |
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Is there any news on a US signing/book tour for Railsea?
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# ¿ Apr 28, 2012 18:47 |
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I know it's a comic, but did anyone read China's first issue of Dial H for Hero today? It's pretty awesome and extremely strange.
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# ¿ May 3, 2012 02:39 |
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Hedrigall posted:Ok I bought it I'll read it later but i need to ask... I've bought graphic novels but never this kind of serial comic before, so basically, how does this work? Does it come out weekly? Monthly? (of course when it's published as a graphic novel/omnibus I'll get that too) I actually bought mine on Comixology (it's basically an iTunes for comics, and I'm pretty sure it's on Android and iOS), but I have no idea if that's available in Australia, sorry.
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# ¿ May 3, 2012 20:28 |
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I love the Bas-Lag books, but I'm perfectly happy with ending them on Iron Council and perfectly happy if China never writes another one. If and when he does, I'm sure it'll be really cool, but I don't really want to see something actually set in New Crobuzon after the events of Iron Council, nor do I want to hear about New Crobuzon. It's difficult to explain why, but I loved that ending and want to sort of keep it frozen in time, so to speak.
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# ¿ May 6, 2012 18:22 |
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They probably hate him for being critically acclaimed and taken seriously for the kind of writing they really really wish they were capable of, imho.
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# ¿ May 14, 2012 16:19 |
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It's explained later on in the book, yeah.
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# ¿ May 24, 2012 19:32 |
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Hedrigall posted:I disagree! The Scar has the happiest ending of the three Bas-Lag books. Still bittersweet, but nowhere near the slap-and-spit in the face that PSS is, or the hopeless ennui of Iron Council's ending. I couldn't disagree more about Iron Council's ending.
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# ¿ Jun 15, 2012 20:40 |
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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 00:46 |
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Found a prerelease uncorrected review-only copy of Embassytown at a used bookstore for $6 I am totally getting this signed on his next tour.
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# ¿ Aug 17, 2012 18:54 |