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Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

phatmonky posted:


As for the politics of wedging in NP's into a slot originally expected for PA's, followed by that of MD's...no one said it wasn't an awkward one for the NP's involved. Just that the ability to reach a higher education level after your RN results in one more attractive option in the industry.

I agree with this, but I think that it'd be a better move to get your CRNA or something, if a nurse wanted higher education. NP just seems like so much more work, for what's not a very consistant job market.

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Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

Mr Tweeze posted:

Little thread resurrection here. I'm graduating with my BSN in like a month but now I am insanely worried. When I was 19 I got charged with a DWI with like a .03 BAC because I got pulled over with a burnt out headlight, and being the retard that I am got an underage about a year later. I'm 23 now, completed ARD for the first offense, haven't had any troubles with anything since then, live in PA. Did I waste 4 years of my life doing this or will I still be able to be licensed?

You should have petitioned your state's BON the moment this happened, to find out if you can still sit for the NCLEX.

However, stuff like this isn't terribly uncommon, so you'll probably be ok if you make a decent case in front of the BON. Don't hide it from them though, they'll find out.

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

C.J. Scalia posted:

Just for the hell of it, I looked up nurses salary info in my zip code, and a Certified Nurse Anesthetist's median salary is $175k ? WTF?

Higher or lower than you expected?

A CRNA is basically the highest you can go as a nurse. The programs are extremely hard to get into, and only take a few people per term. It's definitely worth looking into, but understand competition is high.

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

C.J. Scalia posted:

Still. That's lawyer money. Without the lovely life.

See the picture in the OP :v:

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

freshmex posted:

Why not just go straight for a BSN?

There are a lot of reasons, mainly because an ADN is much cheaper, and once you're working in a hospital, you can have the facility pay for your additional education.

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

Hughmoris posted:

I'm an RN-applicant at my local school, starting up my prerequisites in August. One of my classes will be A&P I. I've heard that this class is a kick to the nuts and weeds out a majority of people, and I've heard it ain't too bad. Is the class worth doing a little preemptive studying over the summer?

There isn't a whole lot that can really prepare you for that class. It is definitely difficult, but having a good professor will make all the difference in the world. For me and most people I've talked to, there's usually a point at which you just 'get it' and things start coming together and making sense. A good professor will steer you in that direction. Bad ones will just teach all the poo poo independently and impatiently, and this makes the class a loving nightmare.

If at all possible, get the same professor for lecture and lab, because as I mentioned above, this further complicates things if you have two different people screwing around with different stuff the other won't give a poo poo about at all.

Chillmatic fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Jun 12, 2009

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

Pixi posted:

Not to mention that a real understanding of basic A&P is absolutely necessary to even understand pathophysiology.

Nursing and nursing school is all about building a foundation of knowledge that's easy to build on -- like Legos. If you understand how the renal system works, you can easily understand the illnesses that affect the renal system. Prereqs are almost more important than actual nursing classes in that way.

This really can't be stressed enough. Too many people blow off the prereqs untill they get to the "real" nursing program, but they're critical to actually knowing what you are doing. This isn't a history or english degree, this stuff really matters with regards to doing your job.

Not to mention the fact that getting into most nursing programs without straight A's is pretty rare these days. Not unheard of (some people have a B here or there) but it's better to be safe than sorry, especially since actually doing prereqs can take almost two years. in itself.

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

instant japanese posted:

I have a tattoo on my left forearm and one on each wrist. Do hospitals look down on this when hiring you as do many public jobs?

To an extent, yeah. Just wear long sleeves under your scrubs. Works for me. :)

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

Fatty Patty posted:

lately I've heard about a lot of people who are graduating with degrees where they can't find jobs then heading to their local CC/back to school to get a nursing/similar degree. How is this affecting the job market?

I find this is overblown. Older nurses piss and moan about this all the time, but it just shows that they completely forgot what school was like.

It takes years in most cases to get into a nursing program. Most people who want to switch careers just to get something easier are not willing to go through the absolute hell it takes to get into a nursing program. And if they DO go through, loving hell, they earned it just as much as me or anyone else.

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

Bum the Sad posted:

Does it? I keep hearing this from people. I just got my pre-reqs done at a CC then applied to the University and well got my BSN.

I don't think the UT system wait-lists or any of that poo poo. I think they just give their slots to the most qualified who applied that semester.

Getting a BSN is easier upfront because fewer people apply for it. It costs so much more, like 5 or 6 times as much easily, that for most people it's out of their range.

It's not the wait list that is the issue, at least not for a lot of people. The prereqs often take a year and a half to two years, and for most people, that's not acceptable in terms of the time it takes from start, to job.

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

Doppelganger posted:

I've been meaning to ask this for a while now for any nurses. What are the monitors like where you work? I'm a clerk in a pediatric unit, but our pulse ox monitors seem to be designed for comatose adults. These kids' sats plummet every time they twitch! Either that, or we have magical children in our city who can drop their O2 sats from 98% to 73% and back to 99% in the span of four seconds. And the telemetry monitors? I have Office Space fantasies about those loving things at least once a week.

I haven't worked anywhere yet with stuff like that. Kids do fidget a lot though, and I'm guessing that has something to do with the tele stuff not working as it should.

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

qentiox posted:


To contribute to the thread: is it naive of me to assume that I'm going to be able to get a job in the unit that I think I want? Obviously I haven't done any clinicals so I have no real world idea of what goes down, but from personal experience I feel drawn to the L&D or NICU. Those areas just seem like they would be some of the more popular ones.

Really depends on how good you are and how good you interview. ICU is tough in any area, but you can do it if you set your sights on it early enough.

Just try to avoid med-surg. It's the most :smith: out of all of them.

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

Bunway Airlines posted:


If you already have a BA, it seems to me that you're better off going into an entry level MA program. You'll make more, be more competitive and be able to do all the same things as an RN (you take the test along the way).


:what:

MA's do nothing on the same level of nurses, don't make remotely the same amount of money, and is basically one of the worst jobs in the health care profession. Did you mean something else?

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

McJogurt posted:

Med student here. If I walk into a room and the IV pole is beeping while I talk to the patient, should I attempt to turn it off? Or does that interrupt your workflow if you don't hear the alarm?

Ahh med students. :unsmith:

You should probably look at it and see why it's beeping. More often than not it's something that you yourself can correct, but sure go ahead and notify the nurse that it happened.

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

Vilerat posted:

If you're an American the Foreign Service is about to open up the hiring pool for medical jobs starting on the 27th.

http://host.careers.state.gov/specialist/self_evals/med_jobs.html

The last time the pool opened up was in 2008 so if you want to have an awesome job serving overseas making good money and killer job security give it a shot.

I didn't see anything in there related specifically to nurses...did I miss something?

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

Bum the Sad posted:

Start with the dorsal penis vein first

Just tried this, didn't work. Got punched in the face. Lost license. Homeless now.



thanks

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish
Any colorblind nurses or students in here? I got a job a year ago as a tech in a large teaching hospital, but failed the color vision screening during the occupational health exam etc. They kind of balked at it, but let me work there when I showed that I could, in fact, see color.

Now I just got an internship there as a new grad RN and I'm going to have to take the same drat test which I'll fail again. Does anyone have any experience with this? I'm hoping it will be fine since I already work there and they know that I don't see in black and white or whatever, but I'm still nervous about it. :smith:

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

Bum the Sad posted:

Anyway just to anybody reading this, if any family is ever on a paralytic drip; they are going to die.

Whoa. Are you talking about stuff like sux?

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

antwizzle posted:

How do you think the profession will be affected by the fact that everyone and their mother is flocking to nursing schools because they hear it's one of the fields that actually provides a living wage? There may be lots of jobs for people with experience now, but is there going to be for everyone that started a RN/BSN in 2008-2010 to flee the poo poo-tastic economy?

Most people don't understand that you can't just "go" to nursing school. It requires at least a few years of very difficult pre-requisites and a lot of determination. At least I know it's that way for RN programs. LVN programs I guess you can get in without pre-reqs, so yeah I would worry about that market becoming overly flooded, but RN programs are tough to get into and are only going to get tougher as more people try to do it.

I just finished my RN program and am taking boards this coming week. :( fffffffffffffuuuu

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

Absolute Evil posted:

Do people seriously think this?

Yes.

"you mean I can make 60k a year with JUST an associates degree! :haw: where do i sign up?!"

My dad kept giving me poo poo back in the day for the fact that I couldn't work at the same time as doing my pre-reqs because they were so loving hard. He kept saying "so what, just pass with C's" and I kept having to explain to him that it was basically straight A's or bust, at least with regards to standing a chance in hell of getting in.

I'm positive that very few people ever even make it in to the program who aren't really drat serious about it. We lost two people the entire time and it was due to really serious poo poo, and nothing dumb like "oh i'm just a stupid flake who thought this would be easy". THOSE people bailed after learning they needed to take biology, algebra and other "hidden" pre-reqs before they could even begin the real ones like Anatomy 1 and 2, and statistics etc.

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

Giant Wallet posted:

How'd it go?? I must know how it was. I take boards in June and I'm already freaking out a bit. Did you do anything in particular before? Did you use any study material that you found particularly helpful?

I passed. :unsmith: I did the kaplan prep course and while some of the rationales in the practice questions are total garbage, it helps you get in the 'test mode'. If you can only do one course or question bank i'd recommend theirs.

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

Enigmatic Troll posted:

Good on you. Job lined up? What field?

Step-down unit. I'm really excited, this has been something i've wanted to do for a long time and I think I'll be pretty good at it. Just ready to get started and forget all about some of nursing school's weirder points.

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

picklejars posted:

Someone mentioned this on the med school thread, so I thought I'd let you guys know, too.

Amazon is offering almost all of the kindle ebooks of Kaplan exam prep books for free right now. I am pretty sure this includes the NCLEX. It also includes the GRE for those of you that are looking into graduate school for a nurse practitioning program. Just put Kaplan in the search box and the name of the test your looking for.

Good luck!


GOD

drat

IT.

Just fucken paid the money for the hard copy of this recently. Blah, at least it should help out quite a few new grads.

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

Private Label posted:

Aww, yeah, my old hospital had a couple of adorable chihuahua dogs for pet therapy

I really loving hate this. I'm stupidly allergic to dogs and cats (and not in the, 'oh goodness, i have a single small sniffle, but rather, my face is red and eyes are watery and i wish i was dead) and it bothers me that people think that bringing a loving animal into a hospital is a good idea.

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish
Volunteer at a children's hospital.

I did that and spent many of my days maybe throwing a football with a little guy with ESRD, or sometimes playing video games with the kids while they got their chemo treatments or dialysis. I also did more of the same during our peds rotation, and it was basically the most fun ever. Many of these kids don't have any real interaction with anyone but their parents and hospital staff, and you get a chance to really brighten their day.

There is definitely some things that are hard to see as well. A lot of the kiddos are real sick, but their strength can really amaze you. I honestly found it a lot more rewarding than working with burned out adults who don't give a drat about their health anymore. (which is, honestly, a lot of the population)

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

Baby_Hippo posted:

:allears: Meditech. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person in the world who loves that program. Everything else feels like I'm quadruple charting.

you are! seriously, epic is absolutely the best charting system i've used. it's quick and easy, and meditech is such a god drat pain in the rear end.

isn't it like literally a 15 year old system or something?

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

breebellucci posted:

I'm not going to continue to argue this because it's largely personal opinion.

You're not going to continue to argue this because you're a horrible person with indefensible opinions.

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

Sheep-Goats posted:

BSN nurses sunk more time into it and are therefore more likely to be committed in their off time to their job. There's nothing about their training that makes them better, just motivational differences (over the population, individually there are lots of exceptions) in the people that make up associates vs bachelors nurses.

ADN programs are almost universally more competitive to get into, because of the vastly lower cost of tuition. It's pretty well known that in most ADN programs, anything less than straight A's means you can forget a chance of entry. I'd say that's a pretty significant investment. (not withstanding the fact that you can't get an ADN in "two years" and whoever still thinks that just needs to take a quick basic look at a program outline)

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

breebellucci posted:

And yes, you can tell which nurses have a BSN and which have an ADN. Just like you can tell which nurses have difficulty understanding and speaking English which shouldn't even be a loving issue for Christs sake.

Are you...





Are you mad bro?

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

JAF07 posted:

I know the internet says that the Pearson trick isn't 100%, but I have yet to find a case where someone got the good pop-up and failed. I think that's just typical nursing student neurosis preventing people from accepting it as a sure thing.

So, in that light, congrats!

Yeah, it's real. They don't want to take your money, only to have to refund it later. That'd cost a lot in processing fees for debit/credit cards etc. The trick's legit. If it won't let you register for the NCLEX a second time, it's because the system already knows you passed it. :) Congrats! Years of busting your rear end have paid off. Now go drink till you pass out.

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish
I'll share something that I learned in my NCLEX review class, which I wish I had been told while I was still in nursing school: If there were one thing and only one thing you were going to do for the patient in question before walking away from them, what would it be, and does that leave them in the safest possible condition?

That is your correct answer.

Using that rationale I breezed through NCLEX in 75 questions and would have had a lot less headaches with the "NCLEX style" questions on our exams.

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish
All that kind of crap is the very same kind of crap that's led to the AMA making GBS threads their jorts about DNPs and PhD nurse practitioners being called "Doctor" in a clinical setting.

"But they aren't physicians!" is the argument. "Patients will be confused!"

You'll notice that the AMA didn't say poo poo when any of the following -- who aren't physicians-- began to be called doctors in a clinical setting:

1. Podiatrists

2. Clinical Psychologists

3. Veterinarians

4. Optometrists

5. Dentists

etc

It's something about nursing. Some people (always men, incidentally) just really loving hate the idea of nurses being competent trained professionals who've risen above being the well-behaved nuns they literally used to be a hundred years ago.

That dumbass guy in the military thread is just butthurt because again, nursing is supposed to be some kind of cakewalk profession apparently. Who knows.




So in conclusion...gently caress errbody, be a nurse errday.

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish
The first time I did compressions, I hadn't even graduated from nursing school yet. :smith:

I was driving to class and saw some kind of scene on the highway ahead. A guy was laying in the road next to an empty car with a few people standing around. It looked to be some kind of accident. No one was helping or doing anything other than those few people just standing there so I pull over and run to the guy who is lying face up on the pavement, totally unresponsive. No pulse. I start doing compressions and think to myself: "man this is easier than I thought it would be. Aren't the ribs supposed to break or something?"

The best way I can describe the feeling was 'mushy', and not like I expected.

One of the people standing around was a woman crying hysterically. She kept repeating something over and over again, but I couldn't make it out at first, focused as I was on this guy's mushy chest. Eventually I heard her clearly: "He jumped. Right in front of me. Oh god, he jumped."

That's when I looked up and noticed the bridge about a hundred feet above us.

Apparently the dude had decided enough was enough and had taken a nosedive. Then it all made sense in my head. The guy's chest was floppy because nearly every bone in his body was broken. It was a miracle his head hadn't exploded. When the paramedics showed up a few minutes later, they lifted his head off the pavement, muttered something about "brain matter" and called it then and there.

I was late to class that day.

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Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

Cactus Ghost posted:

what did caring for your folks involve, if you don't mind me asking. cause if you were wipin butts and catching puke for mentally-altered terminally ill people you've seen 90% of the most emotionally and olfactorally taxing stuff med-surg has on offer

I’ve only ever worked ICU, but I’m guessing the ratio is similar in m/s. However, that 10% of different sights/smells/emotions is pretty brutal.

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