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deep dish peat moss
Jul 27, 2006

On a similar note, I've started to sell some of my art online and got a few sales (mostly from goons <3) and I have a pretty big collection built up, so I want to start submitting it to galleries and things like that. But pretty much every opportunity I'm finding requires a resume of professional art opportunities you've taken part in. Everything I've found that doesn't require some kind of established track record of being shown in professional settings/exhibits has heavy application fees or is straight up just buying a spot in a gallery or whatever. I've found some local galleries for instance where it would fit right in, but some of them have just straight up said they're only looking for artists with established professional careers :shrug:

Is there anything specific I should be looking for as a sort of entry-level professional art experience that won't cost $50+ just to apply? Or is this one of those cases where it's better to just like, spin up my own "creative installation" organization and do a cheap online gallery, spit out a press release about it, then claim that as my professional experience?

I can usually sell a few pieces when I get it in front of an audience but it's hard to get it in front of an audience without any "official" showings under my belt :smith:

e: I spent a decade working in ecommerce and I've been considering just seeing if I can get other artists to pool a bunch of artwork together and then organize/advertise a giant art "rummage sale" or something online, with the marketing push being something about idk non-fungible but not tokens or some laff at NFTs, maybe I could organize something like that and that would work

deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 20:03 on May 12, 2022

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deep dish peat moss
Jul 27, 2006

If the timing isn't chaotic/random - rhythmic displacement
if it's sort of just chaos - anharmonic or dissonant


Thanks! I don't have easy transportation around my city and it's frustrating how much of the process is essentially "go to places and see if they have art/ask them to show yours", things like reliably getting to somewhere to teach a class aren't worth it for me because it ends up being a 2+ hour bus ride each way to go ~15 miles and everything is at least that far away. I guess I'm better off just letting art be a hobby :sweatdrop:

deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 23:35 on May 16, 2022

deep dish peat moss
Jul 27, 2006

Turbinosamente posted:

Does anybody here make any money from the made to order print sites like Redbubble and Society6? I was considering dusting off my ancient Rebubble account and trying again.

They're all about volume. I have a small Threadless store that I haven't updated in a couple years, I only get approximately 20% of each sale there - a $40 hoodie earns me $8, a $20 t-shirt earns me $4. Unless I actively advertise it or post to friends/family on social media about it, it never gets a single sale.

Those sites will not provide any marketing for your product, if it's available in their main browsable storefront at all it will be buried where people will never find it. That means it's up to you to market those products (posting to your followers if you have a large non-bot internet following, buying ad space on social media or google ads or whatever if not). If you market a product well and it sells fast, it becomes a bit of a snowball effect because that's what will start getting it (and your other products) featured in primary storefronts or chosen for partnerships or whatever - Threadless for example supplies a lot of retail outlets and they find new designs for that from within artist stores. But you're not even going to show up on their radar unless the products sell well without their involvement and I'm not sure what kind of payout you get in that case (might just be a few hundred bucks).

If you can do the work to create products/ads and have money to throw into an ads budget to get some traffic then it's not bad considering they do all the printing/shipping and you just collect dollars, but at the same time if you just put a little bit more work/money into it you could create your own storefront, print a small inventory and not have to pay an 80% store cut. (just don't pre-print t-shirts or anything else that comes in multiple sizes/colors when you're starting out)


e: If you're interested in selling your designs out of your own inventory I'd recommend checking https://www.stickermule.com/deals every monday, Stickermule runs a different sale every monday where you can get a small run of a certain product for prices closer to what you'd usually pay for bulk orders - like 50 3"x3" stickers for $29. You can turn around and sell for $2-3+ each through your own website or SA Mart or whatever and you only need to sell 10 to break even. I've been doing that for a couple years and even putting extremely minimal effort into selling those stickers, I'm pretty sure every one has made at least a little money. But if you want to get serious about that, definitely look for a local print shop, my local shop can offer me prints for a fraction of what anywhere on the internet charges. I just don't sell enough to justify big orders :(

deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 03:13 on May 23, 2022

deep dish peat moss
Jul 27, 2006

HungryMedusa posted:

Stickermule is Trumpfy
:smith: I didn't know that. That sucks!

Re: Online storefronts

Disclaimer: I am both an ex employee of this company and disagree with their overall business model but...

Square has a solid online storefront option that can be used entirely for free (minus their transaction fee, and upgrades for optional features)

https://square.online/
Pros:
Easy to set up, no required out of pocket costs, processes credit cards right out the gate, builds the storefront for you. Don't have to pay Etsy's listing fees. You can order a free card reader from them and use that to take card payments at physical events like art fairs and it will all tie into this same account, including tracking stock/marking sold items as sold, etc. Has some (painful to set up, sometimes) integrations with social media platforms, like Instagram Shopping, which can make your art shoppable directly from your Instagram posts.

Cons:
Not SEO-friendly, not great for building entire websites, just a barebones ecommerce storefront. Limited design options. Doesn't accept Paypal payments without paying for upgrades. Not very good at calculating shipping costs without paying for upgrades. Their entire business model is being free in order to catch all the startup businesses, trapping them in an ecosystem of Square services and products (which tbf are solid services and products) but it makes it difficult for any of them who become big to move away from any square services/products without affecting the entire business (If you're just throwing a page together to sell art on, this won't affect you though). Doesn't aggregate you with other merchants that can all be searched together like Etsy does.


I'm not familiar with Etsy specifically so I don't know what benefits it offers and can't really compare the two 1:1 (I'd love to hear about it if anyone is more familiar!), but here's an example of a very low-effort storefront I slapped together to sell my art on through Square. Just uhh, ignore things like the bad product photos that don't show the full image and the lack of organization, that's all on me and my laziness.
(This isn't an ad, please don't shop here I'm not equipped for shipping at the moment and the prices on the website are more than double what I charge goons when I sell my art in sa-mart!!)

deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 16:49 on May 25, 2022

deep dish peat moss
Jul 27, 2006

Is it unrealistic to look for other creatives to collaborate with when I can't offer any up-front pay and can only offer revenue share from the final product?

I got extremely deep in the AI Generated Art community and I've created a number of distinct styles. Now I have a library of thousands of very high quality, stylized, surreal/unique/distinct images that others can't easily recreate. They were all made using DALL-E2 which allows me unlimited commercial use of anything I generate. So I would love to put together an art book full of flash fiction inspired by some of this stuff to cash out ahead of the AI Art Craze wave, because there's probably only a year or two before "ai-generated" goes from being a novelty selling point to being a red flag of a product to avoid (especially with the quality of most of the other work people are using dall-e for :barf:)

I'm writing it myself currently but I would love to work with some other writers to get some different styles and voices involved and get an art book printed, marketed, and sold before it's too late. But I don't have the budget to pay up-front for work - the whole point of the book would be as a minimum viable product/proof of concept to seek funding for a larger project (graphic novel/longer fiction/etc). Unfortunately every job board I've found or community I've found to post it in requires up-front pay, which I don't have the budget for right now :( And several communities (particularly on Reddit) do not allow AI-Generated artwork or anything related to it to be posted.

Is this the kind of thing where I'm going to need to just do the whole MVP/proof of concept myself to then hopefully get funding and then hire writers? Or is there somewhere on the internet I can actually look for this kind of collaboration ("neither one of us is getting paid unless we finish the project and we both get paid")?

deep dish peat moss
Jul 27, 2006

Yeah, I totally get that. I've spent a lot of time with it and have been working on forming consistent repeatable styles that aren't explicitly based on any specific real-world artists or IPs (to my knowledge) (e.g. mojavepunk) which is something that (imo) sets this apart from a lot of other AI-Generated artwork, where people are just using it to rip off artists' styles or make fanart of their favorite anime or whatever. I still completely understand the concerns about it affecting artists' livelihood but after working with it for so long, it's really difficult to develop a consistent and unique style in and takes a lot of verbal artistry which is why I feel comfortable putting it together into something myself :shrug: As a visual artist and writer looking forward toward the future I'm personally excited by it. The way I'm using it it's a way of visually displaying vivid, unique writing instead of a replacement for traditional artists. I'm not too worried about what the visual arts community thinks because what I'm doing isn't trying to compete with them and doesn't explicitly draw from their work or artstyles.

But either way, is there any creative collaboration site/community that allows discussion of collaborative commercial projects that don't involve any up-front funding?

deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Aug 14, 2022

deep dish peat moss
Jul 27, 2006

Fair enough. I just also noticed as a creative that without an established presence that it's literally impossible to find work - no one will work with an artist who's willing to work for free (I literally begged to work for exposure and never got any takers except for goons who insisted on paying anyway, lmao), and no one will pay an artist without a professional portfolio of paid work. I figured there'd be somewhere for amateur creatives to collaborate especially when the end goal is "we split any revenue 50/50" but it just all comes down to the social media lottery or heavy marketing after all :smith:

It was intended to be a collaboration with a friend but they never actually did anything, so I guess I am just going to do it all myself after all :kiddo: Thanks!

deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Aug 14, 2022

deep dish peat moss
Jul 27, 2006

Marsupial Ape posted:

This is kind of a broad question, but do any of you make use of mind mapping or journaling apps to record and organize your thoughts concerning plot and story structure (and stuff in general)? Mine is not a life reflective of an organized mind.

I have extremely bad ADHD and memory problems in general and cannot keep thoughts in my mind so I have to write down anything important. I primarily use 2 things:
1) Scrivener which is pretty much this answer but purpose-built:

Lunatic Sledge posted:

wordpad files, just a grotesque number of poorly labeled folders full of wordpad files

2) A vector drawing app with an infinite canvas. Personally I use Concepts. It's incredibly helpful to be able to keep multiple infinite whiteboards handy and being able to do it in the weird organizational way my mind works (all over the drat place) instead of in any kind of linear format is very, very helpful for me to keep an idea going and iterate on it long-term.

I also have a huge stack of blank notebooks in my closet for when I feel like going analog.

deep dish peat moss
Jul 27, 2006

Is there any iPad drawing app that has something similar to Aseprite's "Pixel Perfect" mode where a brush maintains 1-pixel width no matter how many pixels your brush crosses over? Like the bottom line in this example:



I make pixel art in Procreate right now and it's a huge pain in the rear end to do single-pixel lines, but I do most of my drawing in a physical location where I don't have access to a computer.


Edit: Found an answer: Pixaki.

deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Mar 1, 2023

deep dish peat moss
Jul 27, 2006

Lunatic Sledge posted:

...Huh. Anyone know if there's a way to do that in Photoshop?

There's not a way to do it in Photoshop (that I am aware of), but if you do any kind of pixel art on a computer I can't recommend Aseprite enough, it's a one-time $20 purchase and is the best dedicated pixel art app around.


Pixaki has some annoyances (it defaults to only saving files to iCloud which if you're like me and never use iCloud/don't pay for it, leads to it occasionally eating files - particularly if I close the app without first returning to the main gallery menu) and doesn't have all of Aseprite's features, but it does have built-in dithering brushes and a pixel perfect mode which works with an apple pencil which has been a real game-changer for me :hellyeah:

deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Mar 12, 2023

deep dish peat moss
Jul 27, 2006

Can anyone recommend a consumer-priced printer that can print on 8"x10" or larger rigid illustration board 0.3" thick? Does such a thing even exist? It would need to be horizontal feed or vertical feed. Does not need to do color but that would be a nice plus.

I want to do lineart digitally and then print onto an illustration board to do color traditionally but I haven't had much luck finding non-industrial printers that can handle rigid materials.

deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Jul 30, 2023

deep dish peat moss
Jul 27, 2006

Thanks! It sounds like I'll need to try out some card stocks and see how they work with the materials I use, but that gets me pointed in the right direction.

I mostly use Inktense Pencils which are pretty much like Watercolor pencils and there's lots of water applied, which is what has made the illustration boards so appealing, but card stock printing at home might be more affordable than a print shop.

deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Jul 30, 2023

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deep dish peat moss
Jul 27, 2006

Is it normal for calls for artists to essentially be just paying for a chance to possibly display your work?

All of my city's calls for artists have submission fees (anywhere from $10-50 per piece), they're then juried and the selected pieces are displayed as part of an exhibition where they can be listed as for sale, usually with a price cap around $300-500 and a 30%+ commission for the gallery. It seems like a big gamble since you'd have to get over the hurdles of being selected by the jury and then actually selling at exhibition. There's one that would be ideal for my work, but the submission fee is $35/piece and the gallery takes a 35% cut, I would straight-up lose money unless at least 25% of what I submitted was chosen and then actually sold. Even the local artist grants have application fees - like a $45 application fee for a $2,000 grant that only has one recipient.

There's nothing I can submit anything to as a broke artist :mad: Am I just out of touch and this is the way arts opportunities work these days?

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