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General Ripper
Jul 6, 2004
OUT OF KEITH'S?!?

Akur0 posted:

I'm currently trying to do two things, 1. learn to draw and design and 2. write a story.

Could anyone reccomend a begginer friendly pencil kit that'll allow me to self teach myself drawing and shading methods and other threads here that will put me a foot in the right direction aside from anything photoshop related? *I want to learn how to draw with pencils basically*

Secondly, I'm a little afraid to completely give out the details to a story I'm writing on. Could someone be kind enough to allow me to explain the premise to them while I'm currently working on it to touch it up. *I can't exactally post it because I'm still brainstorming ideas*.

I would appreciate the help.

re: pencils. There are many different brands, most have kits of multiple pencils. Try a variety, see what you like best. There's no cut and dry 'best' pencil, just whatever you like using.

Some basics to consider:
-lead hardness. There are different grades of hard or soft leads, depending on the job you want to do. On the pencil you'll see a letter code, you're probably familiar with HB. It's on a scale, from hardest to softest with H for hard, B for soft, ie: 6H, 4H, 2H, H, HB, B, 2B, 4B, 6B and so on.

Harder leads will scratch into the paper more than softer leads, and so are harder to erase or leave impressions in the paper, so they're generally used for finished work or fine lines, but because they are harder are usually lighter in tone. Soft leads (i'm a 6B sketcher myself) go on darker, and erase more easily, and generally used for looser work. The same classifications apply to charcoal, conte...

As for brands, there's Staedtler, General's, Derwent, and tons more. Try a few of each, they're not too pricey. Also try smooth paper versus paper with some texture. Draw as much as you can and don't worry too much about making things 'look good', just doodle, have fun, get used to the pencil in your hand until you have nice callus on your finger. Once the drawing is intuitive, then excercises from books will come more easily.

Try to draw people, pets, cars, buildings, whatever you see around you. Also draw from imagination for fun. Sit at a coffee shop with your sketchbook and try not to be too creepy drawing strangers.

Another thing to try would be drawing with charcoal or conte. The principles are similar to pencil work, and I find it will really make your pencil art look better. Charcoal's a little messier than conte, especially vine charcoal, but both will look good and can give you very dark blacks.

Finally, don't get discouraged. I know a lot of people who stopped drawing because they didn't think they were any good but the key is to keep drawing often, just for fun. Once you're drawing with some regularity you'll see your skills improve all the time. Remember that for every good drawing there are a thousand bad ones.

Also post your results here, we love a big artsy circle jerk.

NOW I HAVE A QUESTION
What are good papers to use for lino block printing, and later screen printing when i have some money?

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General Ripper
Jul 6, 2004
OUT OF KEITH'S?!?

readingatwork posted:

It's been a while, but I just noticed something that this person forgot to mention.

While I like the harder pencils myself (they leave cleaner lines and smear less), I tend to find that for general purpose doodling it doesn't really matter what brand or hardness pencil you draw with. They all mark similarly and they all erase more or less the same.

The eraser, on the other hand, can be the savior or the death of you.

Experiment with all kinds of eraser types early on. Why? Because using a good eraser will make your job A LOT easier while a bad one will make it A LOT harder. Usually to the tune of leaving an ugly gray smear on your drawing that you can't ever get rid of.

The major ones are the pink school erasers, the kneaded gum, and the white plastic. The pink ones are crap 90% of the time so don't bother with them. They tend to be either useless from the start or become useless after some time and use. When I talk about dealing with eraser stains, it's usually these that I'm talking about.

As for the kneaded gum erasers, they are useful enough for many things I guess. Since you can "knead" them into any shape you like you can control the size of your eraser point, which is really nice sometimes. You can also use them to smear pencil and charcoal to create shading effects, which you can't do with the other types. It's not bad to have a few of these around. The only downside is that they lack a certain erasing power that the other two have. Once a line is dark enough you can't get rid of it completely. Which kind of sucks.

The last is my personal favorite, the white plastic eraser. You don't get the control of the kneaded gum, but this is by far the best in terms of ability to pick of led from paper. It also does this well without damaging the paper, which the pink ones tend to do. They also aren't that expensive when you consider one will last you way longer than a gum. Assuming you aren't like me and loose them all the time.

Other than that the only advice I have on erasers it to be wary of anything that comes attached to the top of a pencil. Some work fine, but many are just crap. Particularly anything that is black in color. I don't know why but those black things on the top of mechanical pencils never work right for me. Ung! I hate them so much!

Anywho, hope that was useful.

Just want to add the kneaded erasers are also handy for pressing onto the paper and lifting up a mark off the page, so say if you make a line too dark you can press the eraser down like silly putty and peel off the mark (graphite, conte, charcoal...) in increments.

Also adding those tan or beige coloured art gum erasers to the list. I haven't used them too much but I know people who swear by them and they do a good job as well. They're big blocks similar in use to the white plastic ones.

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