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I heard in a few places that it seems very similar to XCOM2, which makes sense given its the only other major game in the genre. I wonder if it will avoid my major complaint about XCOM2 and the thing that stops me from playing it: the pod activation system, where enemies are all standing there in the fog of war deactivated until the player uncovers them, then they burst in to action. It made every XCOM2 game a matter of only revealing the fog of war when you have action points left in the turn (i.e. only reveal at the beginning of your turn, not the end), so you don't activate enemies without the chance to attack them first. JA2 did it way better, where when you start shooting at people, everyone in the map knows and comes for you.
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Turin Turambar posted:Who is going to make a new thread for it? I'll make one here in a bit. With all of the positive reviews come in, I think we may have a sleeper hit on our hands.
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Does this also have the move&shoot action system from XCOM, or is it still the granular AP style from JA2?
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grate deceiver posted:Does this also have the move&shoot action system from XCOM, or is it still the granular AP style from JA2? AP I believe.
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10 ap seems the standard , with 4ap to shoot, and you can spend 1-2 ap more to aim.
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piratepilates posted:I heard in a few places that it seems very similar to XCOM2, which makes sense given its the only other major game in the genre. I wonder if it will avoid my major complaint about XCOM2 and the thing that stops me from playing it: the pod activation system, where enemies are all standing there in the fog of war deactivated until the player uncovers them, then they burst in to action. It made every XCOM2 game a matter of only revealing the fog of war when you have action points left in the turn (i.e. only reveal at the beginning of your turn, not the end), so you don't activate enemies without the chance to attack them first. Well, that has certain disadvantage. It's often too easy to set up a gun line and let the enemies suicide all their forces into you, especially later on with longer range weapons and more capable merc. It's also obvious some enemies are scripted to just camp at corners and chokepoints in some levels to screw with the players. Honestly I struggle to remember what slur any merc even say, snapperheads? Woody? Granted the last time I played JA2 1.13 was 6 years ago and I have favorites so I can't claim I know what crazy things every obscure merc utters. pedro0930 fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Jul 13, 2023 |
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I picked this up as I've really been interested in JA2 but I bounced off it really hard years ago when I picked it up on a steam sale. I think getting that similar sort of crunchiness with a more modern control scheme and UI will work out really well
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pedro0930 posted:Well, that has certain disadvantage. It's often too easy to set up a gun line and let the enemies suicide all their forces into you, especially later on with longer range weapons and more capable merc. It's also obvious some enemies are scripted to just camp at corners and chokepoints in some levels to screw with the players. Magic would say snapperheads all the time especially when you encounter a hostile https://jaggedalliance.fandom.com/wiki/Earl_%22Magic%22_Walker
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Gus calls the player Woody as he/you is supposedly named Woodrow.
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That's....not really a slur though, is my point. They have catch phrases and verbal ticks, but no racial, no overt misogyny that I can remember.
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pedro0930 posted:That's....not really a slur though. It's not. It's the equivalent of calling someone a moron or idiot. Just pointing out it was Magic because reading your post instantly played his voiceline in my head
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Jul 13, 2023 20:39
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I shall buy this
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Whenever I hired Gus and he'd say "Woody?" I would keep saying "oh, he would" until I was sick of myself.
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If Magic isn't constantly calling people Snapperheads in JA3 I'm demanding a refund. Is there a list of mercs that are appearing in this game? All I could find was an old Reddit post that's probably incomplete.
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if Ira's VA isn't thrown in or a mention to Ira in the game somewhere, I'm going to be mad gently caress, preordered.
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Lynx posted:If Magic isn't constantly calling people Snapperheads in JA3 I'm demanding a refund. I.M.P. custom merc A.I.M. directory (I don't know if the M.E.R.C. directory is in JA3) Recruit: Steroid Fox Mouse Omyryn Livewire Kalyna MD Igor Grizzly Barry Veteran: Fidel Raven Thor Wolf Ice Blood Meltdown Buns Grunty Elite: Ivan Vicki Raider Tex Nails Dr. Q Red Hitman Legendary: Gus Magic Scully Reaper Sidney Shadow Scope Fauda Len Legendaries are locked behind a A.I.M. Gold membership, which I think is a one-time $20,000 fee based on a prompt that popped up during Cohh's stream then there's probably the local recruits that are story/quest based that I have no idea about
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Fighting Elegy posted:Where is Ira? She was specifically one of the Omerta rebels, not AIM Just watching TheEdmon's first episode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrnZ40fdS44 MD has sure gotten a lot dumber since 2
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Doing Ivan dirty with elite tier, man is legendary for sure in my books. I'll be rolling with Blood and Ice in my starting team in homage to my first games of JA2 where they put in work
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Fighting Elegy posted:Where is Ira? in Arulco, presumably.
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Some of the reviews mention only being able to buy weapons from specific places. I guess that means No Bobby Ray's in this. How am I supposed to cheat and kit out a bunch of mercs with SCAR 17s and mortars then?
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Gyoru posted:A.I.M. directory (I don't know if the M.E.R.C. directory is in JA3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6haNLdSJRwo
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So whats yalls favourite starting team? Im hoping to go with at least Fox, Barry, Grunty and Grizzly. In my first playthrough of JA2 Grunty became such a monster he could clear a sector alone.
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At one point or another some 10-12 years ago, Let's Play had two JA2 1.13 LPs running. One was Burn Notice, the other Atlas Shrugged themed. A semi-important point in an update for one of them is that Flo was the only merc who knew how to drive a manual. What I want to say is that I hope MERC will be included. Anyway, my starting team in JA2 always was: Buns Grunty MD or Spider IMP and maybe Fidel, depending. Seems that Spider and Malice are missing.
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Gyoru posted:From Cohh's stream  Here's hoping there's an alumni section where you can read about what happened to mercs who aren't returning like JA2. Buzz and Lynx are conspicuously missing, I'm sure there's a story there.
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Some MERC mercs is in the game but i dont know if they are recruitable. Spoiler: Basically MERC was the first group hired by the mining corp but hosed up right from the get go. You are the cleanup crew.
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I will miss Danny even though I just sort of mixed him and MD up half the time.
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Burns posted:So whats yalls favourite starting team? Fox was listed as offline in both videos I've watched, so she's not available immediately anyway
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Azhais posted:Fox was listed as offline in both videos I've watched, so she's not available immediately anyway I think this is random just like in JA2. Ive sern LPs with her in the initial team.
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pedro0930 posted:Honestly I struggle to remember what slur any merc even say, snapperheads? Woody? Granted the last time I played JA2 1.13 was 6 years ago and I have favorites so I can't claim I know what crazy things every obscure merc utters. “Naughty man!”
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game rules, but too bad I cant seem to have more than 6 avatars for my custom merc, it's really easy to target doors by mistake and the stat checks could automatically pick the character with the highest stat
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Honest Thief posted:stat checks could automatically pick the character with the highest stat I think they do, it doesn't seem to matter who initiates the conversation, unless maybe they're out of range. Or are you talking about environment interactions (like lockpicking)?
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grate deceiver posted:I think they do, it doesn't seem to matter who initiates the conversation, unless maybe they're out of range. Or are you talking about environment interactions (like lockpicking)? yeah like wisdowm checks on environment too
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I’m trying to play JA2 for the first time and the IMP test is confusing me - I gave it answers in the hopes it would yield the skills I wanted but seemed to have overwritten previous answers with the last one so I ended up with throwing and ambidexterity when I wanted full auto and night fighting, since I vaguely planned to make an operator with SMGs, NVGs, and night operation bonuses / an emphasis on training and charisma but can’t figure why the ostensibly correct answers don’t yield that. Any tips? Does it really matter? I’m not using 1.13, just Stracciatella
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This steam guide seems to cover it pretty well: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=497756826 1.13 skips all of this and lets you choose everything, but for your first run-through, Stracciatella is probably the better choice.
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bees everywhere posted:This steam guide seems to cover it pretty well: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=497756826 Ah I see - I was using a different apparently incorrect guide that didn’t account for the paired answers needed to actually yield the desired perk, just indicated that each answer = perk type. Now that I understand the format here this should make it more intuitive, thanks
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There's also certain stat requirements for some skills. I get the impression most JA2 players don't care for Sci-fi mode, but have any modders done something more with it? It's kind of an afterthought in the game, but I'd like it if it was more elaborate. (Spoilering for the guy above) Right now, when it triggers, the player gets slapped in the face with a big confrontation they might not be ready for. It'd make more sense for a few bugs to infest one mine, you having to clear it, and then being prompted to go look for the queen somewhere else. Plus I still think it'd be cool to be confronted with bugs near the Queen's palace, to suggest she actually has a practical use for them.
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What I wanted from Sci-Fi mode were more speculative things like powered assist exoskeletons, binary propellant weapons, XM25. Silly poo poo.
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