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VoodooXT
Feb 24, 2006
I want Tong Po! Give me Tong Po!
Yeah, it's hard to recommend cameras without knowing what this videographer is going to be shooting. If you're just shooting stuff on a prelit stage, I could easily see Canon, Sony, or Blackmagic doing well, but if you're doing something in addition like outdoors lowlight material, then Canon or Sony would be better at that.

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Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

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powderific posted:

What kind of budget are we talking here? What will the video person's main duties be / what are they gonna be filming?

Budget is an unknown, I've been told to spend some money otherwise lose it, it's the same dumb poo poo that happens every year but say a solid £30k (I'm in the UK). I know our HR team are crazy slow so the job will go out after the deadline I need to have spent and have the kit here, so I'm attempting to put something together that isn't going to suck despite people obviously having kit preferences (like myself, a Canon guy).

As far as content goes the things we've done before and will be getting more of will be stuff like interviews with researchers, footage of various manufacturing processes and machinery we have, some occasional green screen stuff. I imagine most will be indoors, we have a small studio space but we'll be getting a lot more footage out 'in the field' in labs/research areas for digital signage content, YouTube and our own website. We produce a reasonable amount of extra teaching content and this is the stuff done in the studio which is another thing I'd like to improve by acquiring a larger space for it. But that's another argument/project.

I apologise if that's fairly vague but I appreciate the help so far and the various comments. It gives me a starting point to go do some reading.



*edit number 8 or something: Having a chat with the boss I'm going to try put together a few quotes, one base level but which would be an improvement over what we have, one 'would be nice to have these' and a stupid shoot for the moon one. :v:

Olympic Mathlete fucked around with this message at 09:53 on Apr 26, 2024

frytechnician
Jan 8, 2004

Happy to see me?

Olympic Mathlete posted:

Budget is an unknown, I've been told to spend some money otherwise lose it, it's the same dumb poo poo that happens every year but say a solid £30k (I'm in the UK). I know our HR team are crazy slow so the job will go out after the deadline I need to have spent and have the kit here, so I'm attempting to put something together that isn't going to suck despite people obviously having kit preferences (like myself, a Canon guy).

As far as content goes the things we've done before and will be getting more of will be stuff like interviews with researchers, footage of various manufacturing processes and machinery we have, some occasional green screen stuff. I imagine most will be indoors, we have a small studio space but we'll be getting a lot more footage out 'in the field' in labs/research areas for digital signage content, YouTube and our own website. We produce a reasonable amount of extra teaching content and this is the stuff done in the studio which is another thing I'd like to improve by acquiring a larger space for it. But that's another argument/project.

I apologise if that's fairly vague but I appreciate the help so far and the various comments. It gives me a starting point to go do some reading.



*edit number 8 or something: Having a chat with the boss I'm going to try put together a few quotes, one base level but which would be an improvement over what we have, one 'would be nice to have these' and a stupid shoot for the moon one. :v:

£30K is a lot of money. 2x or 3x C70's then + lights + lenses + audio gear + tripods will do you well imo. C300 MkIII or FX6 if you want to go a bit above.

powderific
May 13, 2004

Grimey Drawer
Yeah I think for that budget/use case something in the realm of a C70 or a C300 MkIII would be a safe bet. Whatever you do, you may want to work through someone like CVP who will have sales people who can help build out the quotes and make sure you aren't missing anything. You can run it by us here if you're worried about being oversold or whatever but even as someone who knows what they're doing I've found having sales people at Abelcine etc. helpful.

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


powderific posted:

Yeah I think for that budget/use case something in the realm of a C70 or a C300 MkIII would be a safe bet. Whatever you do, you may want to work through someone like CVP who will have sales people who can help build out the quotes and make sure you aren't missing anything. You can run it by us here if you're worried about being oversold or whatever but even as someone who knows what they're doing I've found having sales people at Abelcine etc. helpful.

That's actually a great point, I'll fire off an email on Monday, see what they can put together for me.

Thanks again.

tanglewood1420
Oct 28, 2010

The importance of this mission cannot be overemphasized
CVP will be helpful and should give you a decent package discount if you are ordering 30k worth of gear.

A simple videography set up to that budget would be something like:

Sony FX6
Set of G Master zooms (16-35, 24-70, 70-200)
Sachtler/Miller 100mm bowl tripod (do not cheap out on a 75mm bowl)
2 x Sennheiser radio mic kits
1 X boom mic and stand with XLR cables
13" Director monitor with BNC cables
2 x cheap panel lights (Felloni or whatever the new Chinese hotness is)
1 x more directional light (Apeture 600D or something) with a soft box (soft box essential)
A set of Dedos or similar smaller output directional lights
Stands and batteries for lighting and monitor

Nice to haves if you can make the budget stretch would be (in order of priority)

Some polyboard, reflectors, scrims, flags etc. for light control
A Zoom sound recorder for easier monitoring of audio
Wireless video transmission system (ideally Teradek, maybe Vaxis for budget)
EasyRig (if you're going to be doing handheld a lot)
An onboard monitor 5" or 7" (the camera LCD screens at this budget level are not that great)

And if you still have money left over, you can never have too much lighting!

tanglewood1420 fucked around with this message at 12:23 on Apr 27, 2024

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powderific
May 13, 2004

Grimey Drawer
Good list! I have a couple thoughts too, though obviously this is all just my opinion:

  • Sounds like they already have a Sony wireless set — I'd maybe get nicer mics for it, COS-11s perhaps, just make sure they're wired Sony.
  • Jumping up to a 100mm half ball for a kit that small seems like overkill — I'm running a flowtech 75 / aktiv8 combo with my ~18lb ursa mini pro rig and it's great. Even handles a 24" slider. I wouldn't mind having a bit of extra stability at times, but for me at least that's a big chunk of change for mostly diminishing returns and I suspect for the internal video person too.
  • Depending on the balance of studio to field and supervised to solo, I'd think about moving the 13" monitor down to the nice to have and the on-camera monitor up to must have. And, again depending on use, I'd think about a smaller wireless directors monitor that can be carried around with a battery vs. a 13".
  • Battery powered lights / batteries for the lights you get. A lot of panels, and the 600d, will take v-mount or gold mount batteries, or there are options that are more self contained.
  • I'd get bicolor or RGB lights if you can as they'll probably be in goofy mixed lighting situations where it'll be handy
  • This may be obvious, but good bags to carry the gear in. I like Think Tank and Portabrace.
  • For a university I imagine they have carts kicking around anyway, but a dedicated junior cart (or even just a folding mac wagon) would be good.
  • Get some shot bags for your stands

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