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Lewd Mangabey
Jun 2, 2011
"What sort of ape?" asked Stephen.
"A damned ill-conditioned sort of an ape. It had a can of ale at every pot-house on the road, and is reeling drunk. It has been offering itself to Babbington."
Chronological order makes more sense.

However, the secret to the Asian Saga is this: there's actually a third order, which is "Is the book any good order?" In descending order, Shogun is a fascinating historical novel that is not as "White Savior" focused as you would think, King Rat is a great WW2 story based on the author's own experiences, Noble House is kind of a cool near-modern (for the time it was written) heist novel, Taipan is a fun "how much poo poo can some pirates steal" novel, Gaijin is pretty much just porn, and Whirlwind is super boring.

So I would suggest reading them in that third order, and stopping when they get too bad to enjoy.

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Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment

Grimey Drawer

Kvlt! posted:

just wanted to say ive been reading this and really enjoying it. Excited to check out the movie once ive finished it which ive heard is quite good as well!!

Awesome! I’m glad you’re enjoying it. I loved it when I read it a few years ago.

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


DarkLich posted:

Seeking recommendations for a friend-group book club - the genre this month is HARD SCI FI

Previous sci fi books we've read:
- The Diamond Age (unanimously loved)
- Dune (unanimously liked)
- Annihilation (divisively liked)
- Dark Matter (unanimously disliked)

My suggestion so far is Children of Time by Tchaikovsky. Any other bright ideas from recent decades? I'm trying to stay away from anything that requires a multi book investment. And naturally anything with magical talismans, space wizards, or "proto-molocules".

Tomorrow and Tomorrow by Charles Sheffield.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Fate Accomplice posted:

also posted this in the historical fiction thread, but just in case:

should I read Clavell's Asian Saga in publication or chronological order?

publication:
King Rat
Taipan
Shogun
Noble House
Whirlwind
Gaijin

chronological:
Shogun
Taipan
Gaijin
King Rat
Noble House
Whirlwind

Publication order is never wrong but chronological order could work well also for those books. I think I read them in roughly chronological order and don't regret it. Shogun is such a strong start and Tai Pan might be the best book of the overall series.

Leraika
Jun 14, 2015

Luckily, I *did* save your old avatar. Fucked around and found out indeed.
This one's a long shot, but anyone have any suggestions for english-language books about the Ainu, particularly ones about the language? Dictionaries etc are fine if they're more recent than, like, the 1900s.

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Leraika posted:

This one's a long shot, but anyone have any suggestions for english-language books about the Ainu, particularly ones about the language? Dictionaries etc are fine if they're more recent than, like, the 1900s.

I know this isn't exactly what you asked for, but the series Golden Kamuy deals pretty heavily with Ainu culture.

DarkLich
Feb 19, 2004
Thanks for the HARD SCI FI recommendations everyone! It generated a very healthy list of choices. My book club voted and we're going with Children of Time.

tuyop posted:


Or read some stuff by women:


Also special thanks for this. There are several :females: in the group so it was nice to diversify our author perspectives.

Idaholy Roller
May 19, 2009
Hi friends. I’m looking for a non fiction book on religion on China, how Taoism, Buddhism and Confucianism affected each other and shaped China. It sounds really interesting

Jack B Nimble
Dec 25, 2007


Soiled Meat
Is there anything I'm overlooking in the fantasy selection of Audible?

I've read:
Hobbit, Lord of the Rings
Wheel of Time
The First Law
Between two Fires
Dr. norrel and Mr. strange
Nettle and Bone (only just started it, seems great).

Also read Medievalist historical fiction like the Kings bridge series, Wolf Hall.

What I'm really looking for is something that's either spooky (Between two Fires, Dr. Norrel and Mr. Strange) or cozy (Hobbit/LOTR, first WoT novel)

Where I find myself not so satisfied with the above books is with anything in the WoT after the first book.

Twice now I grind through the second and it's not great and then I can't even finish the third. I'm just such a sucker for the Tolkien style journey and the "homely house" motif in his works, and The first WoT novel follows that.

Also, both WoT and The First Law have this problem of being just kind if plainly written, compared to something like Between Two Fires or Dr. Norell and Mr. Strange.

So, are there any exciting new fantasy/fantasy horror works on audible I may have overlooked? The last time I looked it is when I ended up up getting Between Two Fires and that was perfect.

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





Given that list, you'd probably also like he Earthsea Cycle and The Goblin Emperor. They've born got that sense of weighty tranquility that LoTR has.

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo
Wouldn't call it new, but you could try The Dragonbone Chair. Only 130 hours of audible if you enjoy the series

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Witcher books

Jack B Nimble
Dec 25, 2007


Soiled Meat
Thanks all, I'm familiar with some of these, but others are new, or I needed a recommendation to try them, this gives me a lot of options, thanks again.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Hello! I'm back to ask for recs.

I'm on a big history of video games / computers kick, and I've been all over Bitmap Books Publishing's output, and I've been through Masters of Doom and the Game Engine Black Books and so on - but I want more. I just found Digital Antiquarian, so diving in there.

What are the best books / blogs / etc you know of that cover the history of video games? I'd prefer deep dives and genre-examinations over a general history, if at all possible.

Take the plunge! Okay!
Feb 24, 2007



StrixNebulosa posted:

Hello! I'm back to ask for recs.

I'm on a big history of video games / computers kick, and I've been all over Bitmap Books Publishing's output, and I've been through Masters of Doom and the Game Engine Black Books and so on - but I want more. I just found Digital Antiquarian, so diving in there.

What are the best books / blogs / etc you know of that cover the history of video games? I'd prefer deep dives and genre-examinations over a general history, if at all possible.

There’s the Sid Meier autobiography. Lots of interesting anecdotes about how some of the best known games ever came into being. It was a fun read for me, but I’ve been a huge Sid Meier nerd since the eighties.

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo

StrixNebulosa posted:

Hello! I'm back to ask for recs.

I'm on a big history of video games / computers kick, and I've been all over Bitmap Books Publishing's output, and I've been through Masters of Doom and the Game Engine Black Books and so on - but I want more. I just found Digital Antiquarian, so diving in there.

What are the best books / blogs / etc you know of that cover the history of video games? I'd prefer deep dives and genre-examinations over a general history, if at all possible.

Ars Technica's war stories are interesting, generally a deep dive on some specific aspect of a specific game, like how the Myst developers were able to reduce cd load times

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKBPwuu3eCYkScmqpD9xE7UZsszweVO0n&si=K5r0-D0BFWZ7dji5

Granted, not really reading material

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Looking for books where Language is a big factor. Not sure how to describe it exactly but things like Embassytown and Story of Your Life

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Take the plunge! Okay! posted:

There’s the Sid Meier autobiography. Lots of interesting anecdotes about how some of the best known games ever came into being. It was a fun read for me, but I’ve been a huge Sid Meier nerd since the eighties.

I'll have a look, thanks!

Azhais posted:

Ars Technica's war stories are interesting, generally a deep dive on some specific aspect of a specific game, like how the Myst developers were able to reduce cd load times

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKBPwuu3eCYkScmqpD9xE7UZsszweVO0n&si=K5r0-D0BFWZ7dji5

Granted, not really reading material

That's fine, thank you!

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo

Opopanax posted:

Looking for books where Language is a big factor. Not sure how to describe it exactly but things like Embassytown and Story of Your Life

Project Hail Mary

The Teixcalaan series has some of that, but only starting with the second book

regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
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Opopanax posted:

Looking for books where Language is a big factor. Not sure how to describe it exactly but things like Embassytown and Story of Your Life

Shogun

Le Ton Beau de Marot (non fiction but fascinating and directly relevant to your request)

1984, though to a lesser extent than the above

Contact fits I think

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Oh no I've read all these :sweatdrop:

To clarify though I listed those examples as they're closer to what I'm looking for; not so much where Language plays a role (like in Shogun) but more about the concept of language and how its structure affects people

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





C. J. Cherryh's Foreigner.

Lewd Mangabey
Jun 2, 2011
"What sort of ape?" asked Stephen.
"A damned ill-conditioned sort of an ape. It had a can of ale at every pot-house on the road, and is reeling drunk. It has been offering itself to Babbington."

Opopanax posted:

Oh no I've read all these :sweatdrop:

To clarify though I listed those examples as they're closer to what I'm looking for; not so much where Language plays a role (like in Shogun) but more about the concept of language and how its structure affects people

The obvious one here is "Stories of Your Life" by Ted Chiang. It was the basis for the movie Arrival.

Edit: Sorry, just saw that you cited it in your original post.

ScienceSeagull
May 17, 2021

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The Embedding by Ian Watson. A couple of the stories in Le Guin's Changing Planes also feature unusual languages.

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

Opopanax posted:

Oh no I've read all these :sweatdrop:

To clarify though I listed those examples as they're closer to what I'm looking for; not so much where Language plays a role (like in Shogun) but more about the concept of language and how its structure affects people

Babel - 17

The Languages of Pao

regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
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WHEN THE RICH GET RICHER I GET HORNIER :a2m::a2m::a2m::a2m:

Opopanax posted:

Oh no I've read all these :sweatdrop:

To clarify though I listed those examples as they're closer to what I'm looking for; not so much where Language plays a role (like in Shogun) but more about the concept of language and how its structure affects people

The Autobiography of Helen Keller?

Language, Thought, and Reality by Benjamin Whorf (of the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, of which you're probably familiar and what your request directly touches upon)

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

regulargonzalez posted:

The Autobiography of Helen Keller?

The first one is dogshit tho.

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

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Opopanax posted:

Oh no I've read all these :sweatdrop:

Did you read Babel: Or the Necessity of Violence: An Arcane History of the Oxford Translators' Revolution by RF Kuang yet?

Won the nebula fwiw and the magic system revolves around semantics.

What about The Truth About Stories by Thomas King?

It’s one of my favorite books. Kind of nonfiction, though there are fictional stories throughout. Though it’s about narrative rather than language itself I guess.

For something lighter, Dear American Airlines by Jonathan Miles is about a translator and has lots of reflections about translation and life. A page-turner for me.

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Opopanax posted:

Oh no I've read all these :sweatdrop:

To clarify though I listed those examples as they're closer to what I'm looking for; not so much where Language plays a role (like in Shogun) but more about the concept of language and how its structure affects people

You should check out Heterogenia Linguistico. It’s a series about a human who travels to the part of the world controlled by monsters to try to learn their languages. There’s a ton of detail about technical stuff like how wolfmen can seem really rude and abrupt but it’s because they’re getting so much information through smell, and lizard people’s written language is completely inscrutable until you realize that they see beyond the spectrum humans do. The main character is driven by this belief that if humans and monsters can learn to communicate it will prevent a genocide, but is consistently troubled by the idea that there is a divide in perception that is simply too broad to ever be fully bridged.

FPyat
Jan 17, 2020
Other than the Bartimaeus books, what's the best YA fiction from around 2000 to 2007? I was obsessively reading Artemis Fowl, Alex Rider, Scott Westerfeld's Uglies, and Mortal Engines back in the day.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


I haven't read them but my kid loves the Percy Jackson books

FPyat
Jan 17, 2020
I haven't read them or Gaiman's American Gods, but they sound like they might make for interesting comparison.

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



FPyat posted:

Other than the Bartimaeus books, what's the best YA fiction from around 2000 to 2007? I was obsessively reading Artemis Fowl, Alex Rider, Scott Westerfeld's Uglies, and Mortal Engines back in the day.

WARRIOR CATS

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

Opopanax posted:

Looking for books where Language is a big factor. Not sure how to describe it exactly but things like Embassytown and Story of Your Life

Sphinx by Anne Garréta, you can get it directly from Deep Vellum

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

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Kvlt! posted:

WARRIOR CATS

Yeah my 9yo is nearly done inhaling the literal dozens of these.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007
My niece is reading those like crazy. They've got an Animorphs number of titles in the series too.

Spectral Werewolf
Jun 15, 2006

And if that wasn't funny, there were lots of things that weren't even funnier...
I’m in between books right now and probably going to start Empire of Silence, but I’ve been enjoying House of Ninjas on Netflix, so I’m curious if there are any recommendations for ninja/shinobi sci-fi, fantasy, urban fantasy or whatever. Preferably outside of the graphic novel and YA realms.

radlum
May 13, 2013
How's The Magicians? I see very varied opinions about the books; I watched a handful of episodes of the TV show and I liked it, but I know the books is not exactly the same.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007
They're alright, if you can stand how much of a whiner the main character is.

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Lysandus
Jun 21, 2010
Looking for some recommendations on post apocalypse type books that are set far after the disaster and civilization is rebuilding. Horizon Forbidden West got me thinking about how much I like hearing about the world developing after some kind of ending event.

I read the Silo series and that was great.

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