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inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

timeandtide posted:

2. Fiction: Westerns. What're the major ones in the genre I should read? Any cross-genre stuff like the Dark Tower?
I've got Oakley Hall's Warlock in my to-read pile on the strength of this review:

quote:

Holiday, vol. 38, #6; December 1965, pp. 164-5
A Review of Oakley Hall's Warlock

Tombstone, Arizona, during the 1880's is, in ways, our national Camelot: a never-never land where American virtues are embodied in the Earps, and the opposite evils in the Clanton gang; where the confrontation at the OK corral takes on some of the dry purity of the Arthurian joust. Oakley Hall, in his very fine novel Warlock has restored to the myth of Tombstone its full, mortal, blooded humanity. Wyatt Earp is transmogrified into a gunfighter named Blaisdell who, partly because of his blown-up image in the Wild West magazines of the day, believes he is a hero. He is summoned to the embattled town of Warlock by a committee of nervous citizens expressly to be a hero, but finds that he cannot, at last, live up to his image; that there is a flaw not only in him, but also, we feel, in the entire set of assumptions that have allowed the image to exist. It is Blaisdell's private abyss, and not too different from the town's public one. Before the agonized epic of Warlock is over with -- the rebellion of the proto-Wobblies working in the mines, the struggling for political control of the area, the gunfighting, mob violence, the personal crises of those in power -- the collective awareness that is Warlock must face its own inescapable Horror: that what is called society, with its law and order, is as frail, as precarious, as flesh and can be snuffed out and assimilated back into the desert as easily as a corpse can. It is the deep sensitivity to abysses that makes Warlock one of our best American novels. For we are a nation that can, many of us, toss with all aplomb our candy wrapper into the Grand Canyon itself, snap a color shot and drive away; and we need voices like Oakley Hall's to remind us how far that piece of paper, still fluttering brightly behind us, has to fall.

-Thomas Pynchon

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inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

feedmyleg posted:

deliberately paced, depressing drama with a slight science fiction twist
Ernst Junger's Glass Bees is worth a look if you don't mind the fact that it's a monologue.

I was going to copy the synopsis from Bruce Sterling's introduction to the book, but frankly it's a bit of a mess and over-sells the "prophetic" similarities between Junger's vision and modern robotics. He does, however, claim "the Glass Bees combines the icy insights of Stanislaw Lem with the reactionary rancor of Céline", which should be enough for anyone.

Here's the blurb anyway:

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In The Glass Bees the celebrated German writer Ernst Jünger presents a disconcerting vision of the future. Zapparoni, a brilliant businessman, has turned his advanced understanding of technology and his strategic command of the information and entertainment industries into a discrete form of global domination. But Zapparoni is worried that the scientists he depends on might sell his secrets. He needs a chief of security, and Richard, a veteran and war hero, is ready for the job. However, when he arrives at the beautiful country compound that is Zapparoni's headquarters, he finds himself subjected to an unexpected ordeal. Soon he is led to question his past, his character, and even his senses....

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.
On the fiction side you could go for Alfred Doblin's Berlin Alexanderplatz, Andrei Bely's Petersburg or Andre Breton's Nadja (set in Paris), or on the non-fiction side of things something like Frederic Morton's A Nervous Splendour(Vienna) or Joseph Roth's What I Saw(Berlin).

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

mastercon12 posted:

The Third Policeman was hilarious. I was reading it in study period when I laughed out loud for a good 2 minutes.
You might want to take a look at O'Brien's At Swim-Two-Birds and Beckett's Murphy. The first is more complex and inventive than The Third Policeman without losing any of its charm, and Murphy is an easy dip of the toes into Beckett's waters (particularly after O'Brien). A good pair since there are passages in the two novels that could easily have been written by either author.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

Cosinetta posted:

Okay, christmas is coming up (I like to be ready in advance) and I want to get my dad a really good book. Lately he's been raving about Pillars of the Earth by Follet. He loves the medieval setting and the focus on the people, not the nobility.
On the medieval front, I'd suggest Sigrid Undset's Kristin Lavransdatter is the brick-sized historical epic of choice.

Lion Feuchtwanger is also brilliant, though most of his novels are out of print in English. Jew Suss seems to be reasonably easy to find in used bookstores though and is good enough that I'd prefer to be given a worn old copy more than a new one of just about anything else in the field. It was so successful at the time the Nazis even bothered to make a propaganda film adaptation to combat it, where the main character is changed into a baby-eating monster.

Also mentioning Marguerite Yourcenar's The Abyss, which I have on the shelf but haven't got round to reading. People seem to fawn over it and, again, it's not too far outside your range so you might want to look into it.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

petewhitley posted:

What these books have in common (other than that some might categorize them as self-help pap) is that they all consist of concise, focused stories from history whereby some sort of lesson is imparted.

Plutarch's Parallel Lives are the source of all historically-minded self-help pap.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.
The Modern Library edition of the Dryden translation is one of the few that preserve the parallel format, which seems to be the whole thrust of the book, so I'd go with that.

Might find it's what you've already downloaded though, since it's common domain.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

MissSheGrrl posted:

I'm looking for a book, preferably something with a medieval historical/fantasy setting, that is somewhat dark or even horrific and really focuses on the characters. I'm fascinated by the darker sides to human nature like betrayal and torture and while I have no problems with it being necessarily violent or vulgar, I would prefer if it was at least somewhat intellectual yet entertaining.
Par Lagerkvist's The Dwarf touches all the bases there.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.
Try Gass' Omensetter's Luck, which features an embittered seminary-trained priest trying to prescribe religion to a small rural town.

On a slightly different tack, Shusaku Endo's Silence has earnest Portugese missionaries unwittingly bringing a wave of destruction in their wake in feudal Japan.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

Daveski posted:

Anyone have suggestions for further reading along those lines? Either biographies of specific people or more general books on Victorian life would be great.
Have you already come across Lytton Strachey's Eminent Victorians? It's a not particularly flattering reconsideration of four big public figures of the Victorian age, published at the end of WWI.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

meanolmrcloud posted:

:words:
Not sure exactly what you're looking for here, but take a look at William Gaddis' first two books, The Recognitions and JR. His last major book, A Frolic of His Own, is closer in terms of 'whacky'-ness, but there's a distracting self-awareness which spoils it a bit.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

Facial Fracture posted:

Plus, "Paulist Press" + dove logo looked like Catholic vanity publishing to me.
Really not the case. The Paulist Press puts out quality editions of a lot of Christian, Islamic and Jewish theological classics - definitely a solid publishing house.

I'd suggest Jaroslav Pelikan's The Christian Tradition but it's 5 volumes, even though a couple don't focus so much on Catholicism.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

onefish posted:

For contemporary books, I think The Millons' list of "Books of the Millenium" (written after 2000) matches reasonably well with most canonical perceptions of the best recent mainstream/literary work.
I hear they're writing books in languages other than English now. I wonder what they're like?

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.
You could try Hawkwood: Diabolical Englishman which is a pop history look at one of the major mercenary captains. After he died Ucello was commissioned to paint a fresco of him in the Duomo, alongside those of other popular figures like Jesus, God, the Virgin Mary and Dante, so you know he was legit.

The amazon link has more information on it, but if you go to bookdepository.co.uk it's still available with free shipping.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.
On the subject of Greek myth, I'm reading Roberto Calasso's The Marriage of Cadmus and Harmony at the moment and it's deceptively casual in tone but staggeringly good. It's kind of a synthesis of disparate shards and scraps of Greek mythology with commentary on the trends and undercurrents running through it. Haven't finished it just yet, but seems like one of the better books I'll have read this year.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.
From the Publishers Weekly write-up of the Agyar book:

quote:

(Brust adds the initials P.J.F. after his name. They stand for Pre-Joyce Foundation, a group whose members, among them Emma Bull, Will Shetterly, and Jane Yolen, believe that James Joyce ruined modern literature.)

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.
I assume if you've been reading about how the Iliad survived, you've already heard of Lord's Singer of Tales? Seems like that's pretty much the acknowledged classic in its field.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

gos_jim posted:

So tell me.
I'm not sure I've come across anyone who didn't like Bulgakov's Master and Margarita or pretty much everything by Gogol. They're unhateable literature.

I'd be a bit wary of relying on 'greatest books' lists if only cause they tend to recycle the same books when there's virtually a limitless supply of interesting stuff out there. I'd go take a look at some of the independents that concentrate on keeping some lesser-known classics in print: Dalkey Archive (they have a holiday sale on at the moment; 10 books for $70, 20 for $125) and NYRB are two of the most prominent, but some of the university presses put out a good amount of literature too.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

Facial Fracture posted:

Who were/are some good Central/Eastern-European writers I probably haven't heard of? (I've read the Big Russians; leaving them aside, you can assume a fair degree of ignorance on my part.) I'd particularly like to read some Polish stuff.

For Poles, I can recommend Witold Gombrowicz (novels have a strong absurdist streak, but the underlying themes are a lot stronger and he has a more coherent vision than most absurdists; one of my favourite authors), Tadeusz Borowski (Auschwitz-lit, but full of gossip and opportunism), Wislawa Szymborska (a poet, but she has a very chatty colloquial style and is fixated on history and art) and Bruno Schulz (childhood rendered in some sort of surreal half-mythical style). Going a little older, Boleslaw Prus is the big 19th century writer, but he suffers a bit from serialised-novelist syndrome, so his books can be a little overpadded.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

barkingclam posted:

You might also want to check out Multatuli's Max Havelaar. It's a novel about one man fighting a corrupt government in Java, then a Dutch colony. I haven't gotten around to it yet, but I've heard good things.

Max Havelaar is so much better than it sounds on the face of it. Even the framing story, before he gets around to Java, has one of the great characters in Dutch literature.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

ChirpChirpCheep posted:

Are there any lists out there of what is considered canon for 20th-21st century literature (or like top 100 books or whatever?) I need some new stuff to read and figure that's as good a place as any to look for things.

People are probably going to bitch about it, but the 1001 Books You Must Read Before You Die series has been updating with new editions and the 2010 version has become something fairly solid. The main problem is by 'book' they mean 'modern novel', but seeing as that's what you're after anyway it's not much of an issue.

It's not perfect, but for every Anne Rice or Paulo Coehlo they've included there's a Gombrowicz, Krasznahorkai or Cabrera Infante.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.
The Stranger isn't really all that weird, but you might want to avoid it if she's been churning through classics - it is, in the parlance of our times, Pretty Entry Level.

I'd go buy her one of the recentish lit bestsellers like Freedom or something. It's enough just to say 'I thought of you and bought you this book of literature'. They're not going to judge the depth of your sentiment on whether it turns out to be an eternal classic or not.

I hope that's helpful, though I suspect you probably just wanted to be told a book title, in which case go buy Let Us Now Praise Famous Men.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

ShutteredIn posted:

On another note, has anyone here read Ismail Kadare and could recommend where to start?
I've read The Three-Arched Bridge and The File on H and both were pretty underwhelming. The ideas behind them were a lot more appealing to look into than the books themselves. Quite why he's gained success in the English speaking world over other writers from the region is a bit of a mystery, though I haven't read The Successor which I seem to recall won fabulous prizes of some description or other.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

Kontradaz posted:

You might want to take a look at Hjalmar Soderberg's Doctor Glas or Alberto Moravia's Boredom.

I'll admit I have a little trouble coming up with too many starkly light-hearted absurdist-realist romps though.

Not going to say Beckett.

inktvis fucked around with this message at 15:34 on May 5, 2011

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

Imapanda posted:

Casanova's History of My Life is worth the time if you have the patience for the unabridged editions (the abridged version is a bit of a hatchet job). Downside is it's about as long as In Search of Lost Time, and Casanova seems to be a somewhat less than reliable author. And, yeah, there's a bunch of sex, but, as with the 1001 Nights, it's just one element in an excellent book.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

barkingclam posted:

its about world war one, but the good solider svejk by jaroslav hasek is a great read
It's a good book, but...

Dukket posted:

I am NOT looking for CATCH-22 style comedy

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

Chamberk posted:

Any good fiction books on the Russian or Chinese revolutions? I've read Dr. Zhivago, which was pretty good, but anything on those subjects would be great.

Bulgakov's The White Guard is a good one, set during the last days of the collapse of Kiev. It's permeated by a sense of inescapable doom, though the fact that he treats his subjects, a fairly ordinary middle-class family, as people and not enemies of socialism got him in hot water with the authorities - trouble that was, oddly enough, repeatedly stamped out by Stalin himself.

Here he is, speaking to a conference of Ukranian writers, beating his head against a brick wall: 'Even people like Bulgakov have something useful to offer. I'm talking in this instance about The White Guard. Even in a work like that, even a man like that, still has something useful to offer. Why am I saying all this? Because you need to apply broader scales in assessing literature. Right-wing and left-wing aren't appropriate.'

inktvis fucked around with this message at 10:03 on Mar 1, 2012

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

Urdnot Fire posted:

cast-away fiction

Le Clézio's The Prospector is a good one, though he's never shipwrecked per se - read a lot to me like a modern rework of Robinson Crusoe.

There's a Coetzee riff on Crusoe as well but I can't remember the title. Friday or something?

edit: It's Foe.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

Irritated Goat posted:

I'm looking for books that star a "villain" as the main character.
Pär Lagerkvist's The Dwarf is a good one. The main character pretty much lives for the chance to leverage his position as court dwarf to destroy everyone around him.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

Nick Cage posted:

One of my regrets is not taking lit in college, and so I try to read as much as possible in my spare time, and I find like I'm sure most of you do that you get the most from a book by first reading it and then reading a bunch of crit which considers it.

So the problem is now I'm frequently running into names like Lacan, Foucault, zizek and baudrillard (to name a few,) and so my understanding of them is mostly through tertiary tangential references to their ideas, and I'd like to have a broader and more fundamental knowledge of lit crit theory generally.

Can anyone recommend any book/s which cover this material? I don't mind if its a college textbook. I'm afraid if I attack it chronologically through primary texts I'm gonna burn out pretty fast, and i don't think that's the best approach usually anyway.

Obviously no Zizek in there, but Gary Gutting's very readable French Philosophy in the Twentieth Century is a good start. Not the cheapest book in the world, though.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

Floofykins posted:

Looking for some non-fiction books about societies before the 1900s. Specifically interested in the average lifestyle of people living in Renaissance, Medieval, and Victorian eras.
For the medieval period, you might want to take a look at Montaillou by Le Roy Ladurie. The Inquisition conducted during an investigation in a small French village around 1300, and the book uses the surviving documents and interviews to piece together a picture of the village and its people. Oddly enough, though, he doesn't seem all that bothered about forming any coherent picture of the investigation itself.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

ArcticZombie posted:

Does anyone have a recommendations on the best translation/version of A Thousand and One Nights (or Arabian Nights)?

Either the Haddawy or the Lyons.

The Haddawy is a good sample of the stories, but put together from an incomplete and slightly dubious manuscript. The Lyons is working from a far larger ms (filling 2500 pages compared to Haddawy's 500), preserves the full structure, and bears more obvious traces of the oral tradition that the stories sprang from. It's an amazing book, but I can understand if you opt for just visiting the pyramids as opposed to being entombed there.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

Happy Hedonist posted:

Now my question is, is there a similar book on WW1? I've read The Guns of August and while it is perhaps my favorite history book it obviously focuses more on the cause and lead up to the war and then sort of glosses over the next 3 1/2 years. What I'd ultimately like to read is a narrative in the same vein as Beevor's The Second World War. I want a better understanding of the war as a whole so in the future I'll be able to pick aspects which interest me and read about those. :)

Not a book, but if you want a clear linear presentation of how the war unfolded, the classic BBC documentary series The Great War is the best I've seen. It was made within the lifetime of those who fought too, so it's able to draw fairly extensively on eyewitness testimonies.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.
From an African perspective, Frantz Fanon's Wretched of the Earth is worth a look. Very much a product of its time, but that doesn't seem to have taken too much of the wind out of Fanon's sails - Amazon still lists it as the #1 selling book in 'African politics'.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

Spadoink posted:

trapped in the north, stranded in the woods, whatever (I don't read these).

Sten Nadolny's Discovery of Slowness - a retelling of the life of John Franklin, who repeatedly led disastrous expeditions mapping out the north of Canada.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.
Not sure if the 1001 Nights made much of an impact in the East, but India drew on the same underlying tradition, and came out with the excellent Adventures of Amir Hamza - a fantasy epic based around the travels of the prophet Mohammed's uncle, defending Islam mostly by butchering sorcerors, demons and hordes of not-Hamza's.

inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

blue squares posted:

What would be considered a modern transcendentalist novel? I've read some Thoreau and I plan to revisit all of his stuff and Emerson's, but I'd like to reading something that came out within the last five-fifteen years, too. Does it exist?

Not quite that recent, but Paul Auster's New York Trilogy is littered with references to the transcendentalists, and (if you're willing to stretch even further back) Saul Bellow's Henderson, the Rain King also draws on the tradition.

Having said that, let me undermine any helpfulness by adding I'm not really into either Auster or Bellow.

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inktvis
Dec 11, 2005

What is ridiculous about human beings, Doctor, is actually their total incapacity to be ridiculous.

Sir John Feelgood posted:

Misanthropic fiction.

I've read Gulliver's Travels.

Hard to go past Céline. Here he is on his fellow countrymen:

quote:

nothing but a hodgepodge of filth like me, rheumy, flea-bitten, aloof, who, chased by hunger, plague, tumors, and cold, ran aground here, arriving broken from the four corners of the earth. They couldn’t keep going because the ocean stood in their way. That’s France and that’s the French…. Vicious and spineless, raped, robbed, gutted, and always halfwits…. We don’t change a bit! Neither our socks nor our masters nor our opinions or, if we do, too late to have it matter. We’re born followers and die of it! Soldiers without pay, heroes for all humanity, talking monkeys, tortured words, we’re the minions of King Misery! We’re in his grasp! When we’re foolish, he squeezes…. His fingers forever around our necks, it’s hard to speak…. No way to live….

His post-war trilogy (Castle to Castle, North, Rigadoon) is one of the greatest things written in French in the 20th century, second only to Proust.

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